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How bad was the Kansas loss? (Monday Show Thread)

Good morning, friends, and welcome to the Monday edition of Kentucky Sports Radio. Like it or not, Matt, Ryan, and Shannon will break down Kentucky’s loss to Kansas this morning and figure out what it means for the rest of the season, and when that gets too depressing, talk about something else, like the Royal Rumble. Also, National Signing Day, which is coming up on Wednesday…

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80 Comments for How bad was the Kansas loss? (Monday Show Thread)

  1. Sentient Third Eye
    9:57 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    Better to lose now and kick the appropriate butts to fix it than to have this happen in March.

  2. Realme
    10:05 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    That was really bad. I don’t see them becoming a gritty enough team to play right when things aren’t going their way in the next month. Hope I’m dead wrong.

  3. ukjaybrat
    10:07 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    1 win vs a ranked opponent
    2 home losses
    1 loss vs unranked team

    *hoping* to be a 2-3 seed after this weekend just went out the window
    i will be surprised if we even get a 4 seed at this point.

  4. RealCatsFan
    10:08 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    The thing that sucks the most about this year is that we have lost to nearly ALL of our major rivals, and twice at home! Does not sit well with the fan base, and Cal is going to hear a lot of grumbling in the weeks ahead. Cal’s call-in show should be interesting tonight.

  5. runningunnin.454
    10:08 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    Lot of gloom and doom on here Sat night and Sun…but let’s recap. 17-4, 80% winning pct.
    Four losses by 2, 3, 5, 6 including losses to 3 of the best teams in the country, and Tennessee scared the h out of N Carolina on the road, and just handed Kansas State their worst loss of the season.

    We have yet to be blown out, we had a chance to win every game; meanwhile, UCLA, Kansas, Duke, and N Carolina have all lost by double digits.
    Calm down, people.

    • ukjaybrat
      10:19 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      you could also argue that we barely beat some really bad teams

    • catsarerunnin
      10:27 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      So brat I’m thinking you’re not a glass half full,half empty kinda person?

    • And I was called out for being a “Negative Nancy” Saturday night by RG454 when me and others were burning up a thread or 3. 😉 Me, RG454, and CatandMonkey were the only regular “Show Threaders” there.

      He was right. I have it out of my system somewhat now, but like Ryan said, this is frustrating. We can still get it together, but it’s almost February, so time’s a wasting!

    • runningunnin.454
      10:29 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Seems a lot of commenters on here expect to win every game….not going to happen.
      UK, San Francisco, N Carolina did it in the ’50’s, UCLA in the ’60’s, and Indiana in the ’70’s.
      We came close couple of years ago, but with the parity last several years I don’t think it will ever happen again.

    • I think you’re right my friend.

    • Realme
      10:32 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      I don’t expect to win every game, it’s how they look in a loss (sloppy and too wrapped up in their individual selves) that frustrates me. They have the ability to come back and close out these games but they tend to shoot themselves in the foot instead.

    • runningunnin.454
      10:33 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Chris, I didn’t call you out….I said you shouldn’t be there with all the negative nancies.
      Normally, you’re upbeat and positive; but, if you read all the crap on here after a loss, it will warp your mind.

    • CATandMONKEY
      10:35 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Maybe we should not win every game but it is somewhat frustrating when your team is MORE than capable of doing so. I realize that it takes innumerable parts to synch at the correct time in order to become a true “machine.”
      I remain hopeful that will still happen with this very talented and capable bunch.

    • ukjaybrat
      10:37 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      For the record, I don’t expect to win every game. I don’t even expect to win every home game
      BUT I do get upset when we lose multiple home games.
      AND I do get upset when we only win 1 game against a team that matters.

      that being said, we still have a shot to win it all. It’s just going to be a lot harder now because i think there’s no chance at a 1-3 seed. We just don’t have enough left on the schedule to move us back up the ranks. We’re probably going to drop down to around 15-17 in the rankings which is on the bubble between 3-4.

      I also think we lose at least 1 more game this year. which would make us a 4-5 seed.
      not half full or half empty. just how i think this gets played out based on what i’ve seen.

    • RealCatsFan
      10:38 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      I was in Nashville for my daughter’s tournament. Was watching the game in the hotel lobby with a bunch of fellow Cat fans. Had to get up too early in the AM to listen to much of the postgame radio show or comment on threads. Also had to lead the girls in “Team Bonding” activities. Trying to organize anything with a bunch of teenage girls is like herding cats!

    • It’s all good 454! Absolutely no offense taken. I actually chuckled about it. Again, you were right, but I needed to vent. I do have to stop sometimes and remind myself that this is something has no eternal significance, and just work on being a good father, hubby, and a Christian.


    • catsarerunnin
      10:40 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Well all I have to do to get me through the difficult times is to remember the Billy G years.

  6. Not Dan Issel
    10:21 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    Georgia game tomorrow night should tell us a lot. If we struggle against Georgia, then we know there is something wrong with this team that goes beyond just bad basketball luck. Hope I’m wrong but starting to worry a bit about team chemistry.

  7. runningunnin.454
    10:22 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    Fox and Monk were playing defense until the Vandy game when both went to the bench with 2 fouls in the first four minutes.
    I think our defense has been impacted in every game since.

  8. ukjaybrat
    10:26 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    a caller mentioned that bam monk should be playing the in-out game more than they are. if they’re going to double bam, monk will be open, if they’re going to guard monk, bam *should* be able to take a single defender in the post. I know they can’t run that the whole game, but it should be an effective go-to play and i don’t see if that much.

    • Mc12
      10:34 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Why would Monk’s man leave him? Wouldn’t they either switch to a zone or try doubling down with Briscoe or Fox’s man assuming they’d try to double? I don’t think a team would risk having Monk’s man help out in the paint and would rather take their chances with Bam especially if they have a decent big.

      I think Bam struggles in the low post against guys that are his size or larger. He has pretty bad footwork and doesn’t seem comfortable with his back to the basket. That’s something that can hopefully improve.

    • ukjaybrat
      10:41 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      “Wouldn’t they either switch to a zone or try doubling down with Briscoe or Fox’s man assuming they’d try to double?”

      If bam and monk are on the same side, it’d be hard for fox or briscoe’s man to help with the double team.
      But you’re right, if they move to a zone (which is what killed us this weekend) this is all pretty moot.

    • Mc12
      10:47 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      I agree. I just think if they’re on the same side, I would never leave Monk to help out on Bam. Since Bam struggles with his back to the basket, if I had a guy that he couldn’t move as easily I’d just let him hold his own and let Bam force a bad shot.

      I’d probably have someone from the weakside double-down (Briscoe’s man preferably) if Bam was going against a player he can bully and let Bam pass out of that and then have my D rotate accordingly.

      Just my opinion.

    • Mc12
      10:58 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      I’d actually like to see a little more versatility in Bam’s post game. If he can’t bully someone, maybe square up on him in the post, or maybe let him go to work from 10 feet in and take advantage of his quickness. I don’t know. Whatever lol.

      If he can bully someone (like Louisville’s pencils) keep feeding it to him and let him back them in and dunk on them.

  9. I have no idea if Cal’s podcast is getting in the way, but I remember some said Coach K was spread too thin coaching Team USA, and that it contributed to Duke’s early exits from the tourney, especially a first round exit to a team like Lehigh.

  10. Keep the Show Thread going folks! I have tasks that require full attention this morning (or at least more than the ST!), but I’ll continue listening.

  11. Options are Factual
    10:35 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    Can we please put to bed these comments about Fox and Monk being the best backcourt in the history of UK or the Cal era? Honestly, their current claim to fame is the worst defending backcourt in the Cal era . Selfishly I would like UK players to prove they’re worth the hype while they play at UK rather than once they get to the NBA. AD and MKG are examples of one-and-done players that proved themselves at UK.

    • ukjaybrat
      10:45 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      they are still the highest scoring duo in the cal era, but their defense definitely drags them down imo

  12. BK
    10:36 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    The losses do “stink,” as Cal says, but IMO we can’t overreact, and Cal and the players certainly can’t overreact. The fact is we could have easily won every game by making a few more plays/free-throws. And this is not to mention the fact that 3 of the 4 games were against contenders, and that all the top teams this year are suffering unexpected losses. I hate the fact that we are consistently making so many costly mistakes, missing free throws, and unable to make adjustments to changing tactics. However, these are all truly “fixable” things. Will they be fixed? That is an open question. But it does not help to wine and complain and build a culture of negativity around the team. Cal has proved he can turn these things around and he and the players deserve our support and patience for the duration of the season.

  13. J-Dub421
    10:37 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    I hate to say this because I really like the kid, but right now Fox is the biggest problem. He did not play well on Saturday. Way too many turnovers, he just did not seem to have his head in the game. His passes were telegraphed and lazy, and he kept trying to pass through multiple defenders. He also played zero defense and tried to force bad shots.

    • Realme
      10:48 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      I think Malik’s lack of hustle plays to make up for it when he’s not scoring is a major problem too. And Briscoe seems to have regressed a bit.

    • runningunnin.454
      10:49 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Fox has been playing “serious ball” for 3 months, and the KU guards are experienced upperclassmen.
      You can’t argue with experience…unfortunately until the NBA changes things our kids won’t become experienced at UK….but you still have to recruit the best players you can get.

    • J-Dub421
      10:56 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Briscoe had been in a slump for a few games, I thought he was more himself again against Kansas. Monk needs to rebound and actually play some defense. Fox played so badly in the second half that I was calling for Cal to bench him in favor of Hawkins (who actually played well). Willis played well. (You can tell how Willis is going to play based on whether or not he hits his first shot. Once he nailed that first three, I knew he would have a good game.)

  14. secrick
    10:44 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    The media starts talking about seeding as soon as the first ball is thrown up. We can’t even enjoy a basketball season with out worrying about seeding. Good gosh guys enjoy Basketball and stop worrying so much about seeding.

    • Realme
      10:49 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Nail on the head, that’s what I need to do, but haven’t since 2012.

    • runningunnin.454
      11:20 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      True, a #1 seed gets you one creampuff. After that, with today’s parity, they’re all tough games.

  15. RealCatsFan
    10:45 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    Someone else made a point that I have to agree with – perhaps we are so bad at running offense against a zone because Cal never uses one himself. If we ran one once in a while, then we would practice it and the guys would be much more familiar with how it works and how to beat one. I doubt if much zone is played in AAU ball, and in HS it is questionable. Serious question – not trolling – but does Cal’s aversion to running a zone defense have anything to do with the fact that they don’t zone in the NBA? If the NBA allowed a zone, do you think Cal would feel the same way? Just seems odd that he is so steadfast against it. Can’t think of another D1 coach who will not use one once in a while when circumstances dictate or just to give the opponent a different look to confuse them.

    • J-Dub421
      10:47 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      The NBA started allowing zone defense a few years ago, but no one uses it because most teams have really good shooters and it’s ineffective.

    • ukjaybrat
      10:50 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Cal doesn’t use zone for two reasons:
      1) They don’t use zone in the nba. so there’s no reason to teach something to a kid who will never use it again in his life. The reason they don’t use it in the nba is because [almost] every player is good enough that you don’t need to hide a bad defender in a zone scheme, they can ALL play man-to-man defense.

      2) It’s easier to teach man-to-man principals (this is where switching every time comes in also. switching is easier to teach than how and when and where to go when you don’t switch). If you teach zone, it takes time from practice he could be using to teach any number of other things that he thinks are more important.

    • Sentient Third Eye
      10:52 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      The NBA version of zone defenses would be better for college too. They add the limitation that no defender who is not guarding someone can be in the paint for more than 3 seconds (just like offensive players). Keeps the paint open that way.

    • runningunnin.454
      10:54 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      J-dub is right, a zone is ineffective in the NBA….same for college; most teams have three shooters that can light it up if you leave them open.
      Most a-list coaches play man-to-man all the way back to Rupp and Knight.

    • RealCatsFan
      10:58 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      I guess I stand corrected. Maybe I am still sore from the loss, but it sure seems like the zone has been our kryptonite, and not just this year, but for probably the last 2 or 3 years. Maybe it’s just the fact that most teams are going to zone us because their athletes simply cannot match up, so more opportunities for losses against a zone.

    • runningunnin.454
      10:58 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      You’re right, STE; a defensive 3 second call gives the offense a FT and the ball back.

    • Kernel Sanders
      11:29 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      1) I sincerely hope Cal does have them practice offense against a zone, especially since zone defense is now the obvious way to defeat us
      2) UKjay, they don’t use zone D in the NBA so there’s no reason to teach it to our players? How about teaching it because in the first half of the season our ability to stop penetration is non-existent? How about because we were killing Kansas until THEY switched to a zone? You think Bill Self is glad he went to a zone or not? You DO teach a zone and use it when your personal dictates it. We don’t have to employ it for 40 minutes like Syracuse, but it baffles me why you wouldn’t go to it when you continually show you cannot stop an offense with a man to man D. Just switch it up OCCASIONALLY.
      3) runninggunnin…most teams have 3 shooters that can light up a zone? We apparently do not (maybe with Mulder), and surely we aren’t the only team that doesn’t.

  16. RealCatsFan
    10:48 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    To make matters worse for those of us who live in “da ville” – UofL is on a roll lately, even without their starting and backup post guards. One thing that I have to say about Pitino is that the man knows how to coach defense. They are strangling teams with a slow Egyptian center and a skinny white kid at guard. With the athletes we have, there is no excuse for the defense to be this bad.

    • secrick
      11:00 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      I would have to argue with you on this one. L-ville like Ky has only beaten one team in the top 20 and they beat Ky. Ky beat N.C. I think i am right on this .

    • runningunnin.454
      11:01 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      True, I can’t believe Mythang and the tallest Egyptian-in-the-world are playing so well.

  17. symphonist41169
    11:11 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    I still believe in Cal, think he’s a great fit for UK, but when he says “players first” he obviously means the ultimate goal is getting players into the NBA, and that really bothers me. If he thinks UK fans really care about that more than hanging championship banners then he’s made a major miscalculation. While I certainly don’t pretend or want to speak for other UK fans, I COULDN’T CARE LESS about the “BBNBA” crap that gets force-fed to us by Cal and, sadly, this site. If people cared as much about former Cats in the NBA as they do about CURRENT players on UK’s team then why are there rarely any comments on the “BBNBA” and “Former Cats…”etc posts? Big waste of space that I just scroll past without reading, ever. Cal refuses to play zone because he either A) doesn’t understand it and can’t teach it, B) is more concerned about the kids’ NBA careers than he is about UK wins and banners and knows they won’t play hardly any zone in “the league”, C) Is an egomaniac who refuses to change because it may appear to be an admission of being wrong about something, D) all of the above. I really hope we can turn it around, but I also think in the back of my mind “We’ll just have to re-learn the entire team’s names again next year anyway…” I’m just not sure how I feel about that. YES, please go after the top players, but is it totally necessary to go after 1-year five star players exclusively? I’m certainly not a Pitino apologist or sympathizer, but it seems like he does more with much less talent in a much tougher league and schedule. So has Pastner, Drew, Miller, etc.etc. Yes, I know how many Final Fours Cal has been to in the last 7 years. But at the end of the day it’s about championships. Dean Smith went to a LOT of Final Fours too but had only 2 championships in 30+ years to show for it. I still support Cal, but there may be cracks forming in its foundation. And please, PLEASE, stop saying someone is a “troll” if they question something being done by Cal. I’ve followed the Cats since Rupp was coaching Issel and the Super Kittens, I hate Louisville because of the 1983 Regional Final game, and remember Bobby Knight crying like a p***y when Joe B. beat him in the “75 Mideast Regional Final.

    • J-Dub421
      11:14 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      All that stuff is marketing and recruiting coach-speak. Cal wants to win every game. He’s very competitive. Of course he wants titles.

    • ukjaybrat
      11:20 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      agree with jdub. everything cal does and says, you have to ask yourself “why is he doing this?” and 99 times out of 100 the answer is recruiting.

    • secrick
      11:22 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      You are entitled to your thoughts on this and some of what you say i agree with. J-DUB is right it’s mostly marketing and for recruiting but the ZONE defense i also don’t understand.

    • symphonist41169
      11:47 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      I never said or intended that he doesn’t want to win titles. Of course he does; I just think it’s secondary for him than putting kids in the NBA and believe that’s at odds with the majority of BBN. Being a master marketer and recruiter is great but should be the means to a different end than just getting kids into the NBA after 1 year wearing blue & white.

    • ukjaybrat
      11:50 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      “I just think it’s secondary for him than putting kids in the NBA and believe that’s at odds with the majority of BBN”

      Many people, and it sounds like you included, are making the assumption that you can either A) win championships OOORR B) send dudes to the nba.
      That is a fallacy.
      There is no reason he can’t do both. they are not mutually exclusive. problem is, it’s REALLY hard to do the latter. which is why we’ve only done it once. and the only coach to do it twice in that amount of time is arguably the best coach in the game right now.

    • catsarerunnin
      11:58 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      “We’ve only done it once”. That kind of sums it all up. Cal has won “only” one title here. How many titles do you think he should have won? And I ask with all due respect.

    • symphonist41169
      12:07 pm January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Of course they’re not mutually exclusive, but the teams that win championships (the former, not the latter) usually have a couple of veterans mixed in with the superstar freshmen. The exception was 2015 Duke, and they had decent vets coming off the bench. Who’s coming off our bench next year? Humphries? OK, I can see him getting better and being a contributor even more than he has so far this year. Wenyard? Not enough data to know. SKJ? I say the chance of him transferring after this year is at least 50%. Hawkins and Willis are graduating, with Fox, Monk, Adebayo, and Briscoe will go to the NBA and get drafted on “potential” and “upside”. Gabriel is probably going to be back, but who knows what these goofy NBA GMs think? I’m definitely not an expert and not a Hall Of Fame coach, but it seems to me that there could be a better balance in recruiting. Definitely go after the 5-stars but don’t ignore the 3 and 4-stars who could turn into major contributors in the process. See: Josh Harrelson.

    • UK Big Board Update
      1:56 pm January 30, 2017 Permalink

      “teams that win championships usually have a couple of veterans mixed in with the superstar freshmen.”

      And then he names Willis and Hawkins as graduating seniors this year. LOL.

      Also, did Jorts win a title for us?

  18. runningunnin.454
    11:14 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    A lot of people panned the Michael Buffer thing; but, I liked it…also the noise measurement.
    This is supposed to be fun….let’s enjoy it.

    • J-Dub421
      11:15 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      They’re the same people who complain that Rupp is too quiet. I thought it was fun to have Buffer for a big game.

    • CATandMONKEY
      11:23 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      I thought it was cool regardless of the undortunate outcome. That early game atmosphere was palpable through the TV and radio broadcasts. Rupp at its best.

    • CATandMONKEY
      11:24 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Unfortunate- sorry new phone, smaller virtual keyboard.

  19. runningunnin.454
    11:17 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    Once again, I was tired of Bilas crying about Kansas being shorthanded…what, one guy playing maybe 15 min/game and scoring 6 pts/game?
    He was also crying about Kansas’ foul trouble, like he did last year when they shot 50 FT’s and half our team fouled out.

  20. RealCatsFan
    11:19 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    Way to burst Johnny Short’s bubble, Matt! 😉

    • CATandMONKEY
      11:25 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      I miss the days of Short predicting wins by 25+ bigguns.

  21. CATandMONKEY
    11:29 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    Nixon was the Grayson Allen of presidents.😜

  22. J-Dub421
    11:34 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    I need for Fox and Monk to start playing defense the way Hawkins and Briscoe do. That plus a little better shot selection would solve a lot of our problems.

    • Realme
      11:39 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Agree. Better defense would get us more transition offense (which is what makes us look awesome). I do hope losing another game they could/should have won will finally get them to grow up a little.

    • CATandMONKEY
      11:39 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      This team is made for the fast break. Superb defense leads to the fast break. Cats are capable and we have seen several games where this has happened.

  23. secrick
    11:42 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    Pass the darn ball like you should , don’t just pass it and hope your team mate catches it. TURNOVERS is the problem.

    • Realme
      11:46 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Yes, add turnovers and general sloppy play when in close / comeback situations to what J-dub said above.

  24. Realme
    11:50 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    Can we add Matt to the list of sports talkers who should not be allowed to sing on air? WTH was that.

  25. canecowboykat
    11:58 am January 30, 2017 Permalink

    So, based on a lot of comments, we don’t play zone because they don’t play zone much in the NBA? I thought this was college? And how many titles does Boeheim have in comparison to Calipari?
    The bigger issue this team has is that it hasn’t developed any depth in my opinion. I would have long ago tried to insert Jones and Wynyard in the sub patterns and see what we have. Calipari has given up on them it seems.
    And I would have begun getting Diallo in the mix. We need another wing for sure. I believe Jones and Diallo will not be in Lexington next year.
    Jeez, when you get out adjusted at halftime by Self you know the coaching is leaving something to be desired as in the Tennessee game by Barnes.
    Sorry guys, this is a one weekend only team due to their many flaws not being addressed by the great recruiter.

    • J-Dub421
      1:08 pm January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Boeheim has only one title in 40 years at Syracuse. And Cal has been to more final fours even though he’s switch jobs a lot more. Also Syracuse has been in trouble with the NCAA a lot. Let’s stop pretending Boeheim is a good coach.

    • symphonist41169
      1:16 pm January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Plus, he eats boogers.

    • catsarerunnin
      1:29 pm January 30, 2017 Permalink

      He may eat boogers but he plays a zone defense and as we know a good zone defeats all.

  26. canecowboykat
    1:48 pm January 30, 2017 Permalink

    And Boeheim hasn’t had near the talent that has been in Lexington. Have you seen NBA highlights and box scores?
    I’m not saying that he is a great coach, I’m saying a zone can work when needed.
    Calipari needs to make some adjustments and find something that works with this squad because it is going to be another lost year if not.
    (And by the way, let’s stop pretending that Calipari is a “great” coach.)

    • J-Dub421
      3:36 pm January 30, 2017 Permalink

      Boeheim needed Carmelo Anthony to get his title. That doesn’t qualify as talent?

      If Boeheim isn’t getting the same level of talent lately, that’s on him. Recruit better.

      Cal is one of the two best coaches currently in college basketball. He’s taken us to 4 Final Fours in seven years, (a title, and a runner up in there too), and add in an Elite Eight. That’s a pretty good record, especially with the amount of turnover we have. No one else has that type of record over the last seven years.