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BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: Keith Bogans Could Have Been UK’s All-Time Leading Scorer…….Seriously


This guy should have been the scoring champ at UK.  No, seriously.

 2,138 points.  That is gold standard for scoring in UK basketball history.  Dan Issel has held that record for 45 years now with only 2 players cracking 2,000 points since.  Overlooking the fact that Issel did that in 3 seasons without a 3-point shot (although that should NEVER be overlooked), you have to wonder if Issel’s scoring record will ever be touched.  I argue no for several reasons:

1. THAT’S A TON OF POINTS

-Kenny Walker played 4 seasons, never missed a game, was in the Top 6 of the UK rotation every year, and started for 3 years.  And he only got within 58 points of Issel.  With an extra season of play.  Keith Bogans played and STARTED all 4 years, with a 3-point shot, played more games per season than Issel, and only got within 215 points of Issel.  Point is, it just requires an amazing amount of scoring to reach the record.

2. THE GAME IS SLOWER AND SCORING IS DOWN

-It seems counter to what we believe because the players are so much more athletic today than in the 1960’s, but the truth is there are fewer shots taken and lower scoring games now than during Issel’s time.  During Issel’s senior season (1969-70), his team averaged 96 POINTS PER GAME.  In UK’s national title season of 2012, a team that was fantastic on offense most of the season, the team averaged 77.3 points per game.  The fact is, teams just don’t get up and down the floor for 40 minutes the way they did in the late 60’s.

3. GREAT PLAYERS DON‘T STAY 4 YEARS

-You give me 1 reason Issel’s record is safe forever, it’s this one.  As long as the NBA doesn’t require a player to stay 4 years in college, no player good enough to score enough points to beat Issel will ever stay 4 years.  Patrick Patterson actually had a legitimate shot to beat the record if he had stayed his senior year, but let’s not forget that never really was a possibility.  And in fact, Patterson strongly considered leaving after his sophomore season, so we got a bonus year anyway.  If Brandon Knight had stayed 3 years, and scored the same amount of points each season, he would have finished with 1,971 points.  So the point is not that a player couldn’t conceivably score enough in 4 years, it’s that no player is going to hang around for 4 years to do it.

The guy that really had an amazing shot to beat the record was KEITH BOGANS.  As ridiculous as it sound, Bogans’s junior year ruined any chance he had to break the record.  But even with that disasterous year, Bogans finished 4th all-time in scoring at UK.  He scored 371 in that junior year, while scoring 577 in his sophomore and 564 his senior year.  If Bogans had replicated either of those scoring years in his junior season, he would have come within 10 points of Issel.  And I would imagine if Bogans was approaching that record his senior season, Tubby and the guys would have made sure he broke it.  Again, Keith Bogans should have been the scoring champ at UK.

PUT HIS JERSEY IN THE RAFTERS PLEASE!!!!

That’s a post for another day.  Today, discuss whether you can envision Issel’s record ever being broken.  I say no, but tell me what you think.

Article written by Bryan the Intern

15 Comments for BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: Keith Bogans Could Have Been UK’s All-Time Leading Scorer…….Seriously



  1. Charlie
    8:48 am August 26, 2015 Permalink

    Keith Bogans doesn’t get nearly the amount of respect he deserves, same could be said for Tubby and Tayshaun as well. Bogans career was marred by the disappointment of 2003, and the insanity of, “Team Turmoil.” Keith was nearly the best scorer on a national title winner, but one of his ankles had other ideas. I think Bogans’ jersey should be a no brainer for the rafters.



  2. just saying
    8:51 am August 26, 2015 Permalink

    So youre saying, if he scored more points in his junior year, he would have gotten close, and think they would have let him score MORE points than his best season?

    And because he SHOULD have scored more points, didnt but should have, then we should put him in the rafters?

    I think there is a saying about if a frog had wings

    Weak argument, sorry



  3. Skaggs
    8:51 am August 26, 2015 Permalink

    More mindless drivel



    • Matt Jones
      8:53 am August 26, 2015 Permalink

      We have to post something until football season starts



    • J-Dub421
      11:19 am August 26, 2015 Permalink

      Yes, your post is more mindless drivel.



  4. RICK
    8:52 am August 26, 2015 Permalink

    Keith Bogans was one of Kentucky’s best players and doesn’t get the respect that some of the other players do and i’m not sure why. Bogans should be invited back for the events that go on at UK and may have been and just didn’t show up.Yes hang his jersey.



  5. ukcamel
    9:16 am August 26, 2015 Permalink

    Pretty easy to imagine this record getting broken. Would need to be an undersized volume shooter like Devin Downey or a guy like Tim Duncan that wants to stay four years. Or some unforeseen change down the road. The fact that two guys have gotten pretty close shows how breakable it is. It just takes a little imagination.



  6. Kevin Reams
    9:25 am August 26, 2015 Permalink

    I was a huge Bogans fan, but I think there are several people more worthy that do not have their jerseys in in the rafters. I think Prince is more deserving and I know that they only played one year and UK has the rule about graduating before your jersey should be retired but I think that Anthony Davis and John Wall are more worthy than Bogans. I also think that Tubby Smith should go up before Bogans.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think that Bogans needs to go up, but these guys first.



  7. Not Dan Issel
    9:35 am August 26, 2015 Permalink

    Coach Rupp believed in offense. I remember an article during the late 60’s where an analysis of his offense showed that the ‘Cats averaged a field goal attempt every 16 seconds. UK took a lot of 15-18 jumpers in those days, along with a lot of fast break points. Issel was a great shooter, but could, and did, run the floor very well. Those who are relatively “new” to UK basketball should take a look at Issel’s professional career if they have any doubts as to his greatness.



  8. mattbpoole
    10:14 am August 26, 2015 Permalink

    I’m 21 so I was a kid when Bogans was playing and he was one of my first favorites. I think he’s tragically underappreciated



  9. John Ellis
    11:29 am August 26, 2015 Permalink

    With a better coach and a stronger team behind him Walker would have done it easily. Because his NBA career wasn’t stellar – an inbetweener – it’s forgotten he was far and away the best player in the country. Teams played a box and one against Kentucky – and the box was on him. He was still unstoppable.



  10. Powermaker
    12:01 pm August 26, 2015 Permalink

    tubby probably didn’t have a clue who the all time scorer was much less how many points Bogans would have needed . If one of his assistants told him he would either not have believed it or forgot about it . Kinda like the Morris fax that he lost on his junk pile of a desk ! LoL



  11. No Brainer
    12:50 pm August 26, 2015 Permalink

    He’s UK’s 4th leading scorer – which is a better accomplishment than was made by some of the people who’s jersey’s are already up there.



  12. E Cat
    2:44 pm August 26, 2015 Permalink

    Keith Bogans had a GREAT senior campaign. Not only a great scorer, but an incredible defender by his senior year (like most young guys, was mediocre at D at first). I think what hurts guys from that time frame is that UK was coming off a great run in the 1990s and there were no Final Four appearances at in those years … along with some 10-loss campaigns. Hard to believe with three seasons of Bogans and Prince on same team they lost 30 games in that span. I think that also hurts the legacy a bit, fair or not.



  13. Jewelielou
    5:40 pm August 26, 2015 Permalink

    So, you’re saying that by coming within 10 points of the all time scoring leader he should have his jersey in the rafters? I would understand the argument he should have his jersey in the rafters if he actually did become the all time scoring leader.