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BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: Have Minds Been Changed Since 2017 About Anthem Protest?

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Back in 2017, I posted the following article, which was written in response to the aftermath of the Colin Kaepernick season of protest and the question was raised about if we would see similar protests in the following college football and college basketball season.  And in 2017, the comments section was much of what you would have expected:

“If you don’t understand what our flag truly represents, and think of as just cloth, then YOU are part of the problem.”

“We live in a place that says the reason that I don’t sympathize with a million dollar football player who s*** on the only country that would make him a millionaire for being a football player is because of my white privilege”

“I’ll never come to another Kentucky game again if they want to protest they can do it some other way they have that right but you don’t get to disrespect my family who has fought overseas and risked their lives so these kids could play football stand up and show some respect”

And there are many more but you get the picture.  And in 2016-17, public polling should that the majority of people did not feel comfortable or support kneeling for the national anthem.  And from what I remember, no UK athletes protested that season.  So none of the coaches or the fanbase as a whole had to really deal with that issue.

But now as we slowly approach a possible 2020 season, a lot has changed.  Not only have the protests over the past couple weeks been larger and most widespread on the topic of inequality than any time in at least 20 years, the overall public support of these protests has switched.  Polling now shows that 55-60% of people support what the protests have stood for and a little over 50% of people support public protests by athletes during the national anthem.  So while the idea of college kids protesting in 2017 seemed “risky” at that time, it is almost inevitable that we are going to see that in 2020.  Not only have countless pro athletes already come out and said they will be kneeling during the NFL/NBA seasons, and college kids are always going to emulate the pros, but we have already seen many college athletes making public statements or displays of support.  We are going to see protests and we are going to see some coaches attempt to stomp down those protests, probably not to their favor.  But you know how controlling some of these guys are and they won’t want attention taken away from the games.

We’ve already seen Mark Stoops and the UK football team and staff publicly protest and the sense that I got was there was a HIGH level of support among this fanbase about those actions.  I know I was certainly proud of my team for their actions on this issue.  But walking the streets in BLM shirts is one thing.  Kneeling during the anthem could certainly get a different response.  So have minds been changed about what that kind of protest and whether a UK player or players protesting during the anthem would affect your fanhood in 2020?

And let’s be honest, we clearly have two coaches who are supporters of the protest and the issues facing our society right now.  And they coach teams of predominantly African-American players as well.  I have no idea what they suggestion would be in terms of protesting during the anthem but I can say that I am incredibly proud that we have 2 coaches who are considerate about their players and the social issues that face them.  The actions of Mark Stoops last week were some of the most courageous and impressive of any UK coach in my lifetime.  Point being, we absolutely could see action from our players this fall.  Is it time to have full support of these 18-22 year old men and their feelings on their lives?  Or is an anthem protest still too far for you?  

Article written by Bryan the Intern

56 Comments for BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: Have Minds Been Changed Since 2017 About Anthem Protest?



  1. Ned T.
    10:03 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

    Nothing has changed. People who appreciate the US will tune out to kneeling. Those who want to destroy the US, riot, loot, and burn will love it.

    ALL LIVES MATTER.



    • Han
      11:03 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

      “ALL CANCERS MATTER!” said at a fundraiser for Breast Cancer Awareness that you support because your mother, wife or sister died of breast cancer. The person saying it then goes back to doing nothing for any cancer research or awareness, having only said it to undercut the Breast Cancer Awareness campaign because it doesn’t apply to them. Would you be ok with that?



    • TPACAT
      11:10 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

      Straw man argument, Han…



    • 4everUKBlue
      1:00 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      I doubt he knows what that means.



    • The Big Lebowski
      5:53 am June 16, 2020 Permalink

      I have no issue with the kneeling.

      I spent a decade of my life in the US Army.

      I spent nearly two decades more helping the US with counter terrorism.

      My whole family served in the Military. Not one of my siblings has a problem with the kneeling.



  2. hal9944
    10:14 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

    No…why cant we protest before the kickoff, or after the first quarter, or halftime? Most agree with the protest in general, but why do it during the national anthem knowing its gonna piss off the majority of people? It does nothing for the message if it’s offending people. It would be better for the cause if it was done at a different time during the games, but NOT during the national anthem. JMO



    • Han
      11:17 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

      Them blacks going in white-only diners did it to piss off the majority of people, too. How dare they be all disrespectful of our great nation and its traditions and laws!

      The point is to draw attention. If you only protest quietly and in inoffensive ways, nothing happens because it’s easy to ignore. The point is to make others uncomfortable, to make them notice, to make them pay attention. Maybe, just maybe, some of them will pause before getting indignant and ask why someone is risking so much ire to draw attention to their cause.



  3. millertim
    10:14 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

    More than a little condescending to have 18-22 year olds “educate” older generations about how country should be run and operated… The BLM movement is a front for a more radical agenda. Like many radical movements they seek any incident to spark an outrageous outcome. Death of African-Americans by the hands of white cops is proportinately low per population— but media will have you believe it happens every hour of every day…



    • zod
      10:39 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

      I don’t think you understand the word “proportion”. The proportion of blacks killed by police is 2.5 times the rate of whites when representative percentage of the population is considered using 2016 figures. More whites are shot, but make up a much larger percentage of the population (in 2016 numbers the US was just over 72% white, just over 12% black). Here’s a nice graphic of those shot in the US 2017-2020:

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

      You are correct that more whites are shot, but it is skewed when you consider proportionality.



    • PensacolaCat
      11:04 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

      No way those stats should lead any reasonable person to conclude that Americans are systemically racist. I’m not taking the blame for a couple of stupid police officers.



    • Mc12
      10:56 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

      And when you factor in violent crime statistics meaning a higher likelihood of being involved with cops in these types of encounters, it offsets the proportion of population narrative.

      My favorite from Kaepernick was when he bashed the US military for the counterstrike that killed Iranian terrorist Soleimani…a guy behind the killing of hundreds of US troops (of all races). What a guy. CK, and his Castro sympathizing while rocking cops are pigs socks (generalization) saying cops are out running around and hunting black people (stats say otherwise) and that was raised in privilege, seems like he loves the USA smh



    • JEUofK
      10:58 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

      Not really skewed. Blacks are still killed less than the amount of violent crime they commit would suggest. Police being 18.5x as likely to be killed by blacks than them killing an unarmed black is outrageous.



    • Ned T.
      11:19 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

      Let talk “proportions.” Yes, these are stats from the DOJ.

      Blacks are 13% of the population but commit 54% of the murders.

      Blacks are 13% of the population but commit 53% of the robberies.

      80% of black children are born out of wedlock. 70% have only one parent in the home.

      95% of criminals shot by police officers were physically fighting with the officer. 70% were armed.

      But, white people are the reason blacks do not prosper? Good grief.



    • JEUofK
      12:07 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      Black lives absolutely matter, but BLM does not. Read the ‘About Us’. They’re more concerned with transgender restrooms and destroying the family. Why would you state you want to dismantle the “Western style nuclear family” when it’s already been destroyed?



    • PensacolaCat
      1:04 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      Seems anti black when you consider the number of black children that grow up in a family with only one parent.



    • 4everUKBlue
      1:09 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      BLM is funded and used by the elite to further their agenda. Why are bus loads of people being bussed in and paid to incite violence? Why are stacks of bricks strategically placed near businesses in cities where rioting is taking place? It’s all part of the agenda and will be used as an excuse to impose martial law and while we are all fighting about this the elite powers that should not be are getting ready for plannedemic II.



    • kacat2
      3:45 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      The issue I have with BLM is that you never hear from them when a little Black child is killed by a Black teen during a drive by shooting. Where is the outrage about BLM? You never hear from them when a Black police officer is killed. Why are Blacks more likely to interact with police officers? Because they commit twice as much violent crime. Now you either start owning that stat and start proving that BLM to the Black community and then I’ll start listening to about what more I need to do to help.



  4. lexslamman
    10:30 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

    The kneeling is just as justified and rational now as it was in 2017.. meaning not at all, of course.



  5. CatManDo
    10:54 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

    Kaepernick did something that many people found to be very disrespectful and were appalled by. His said he did it to protest racial injustice. His supporters say it’s not about the flag, it’s about the cause. If you disagree with his kneeling you must be for racial injustice.
    What if a player came out waving a confederate flag during pregame warm-ups? I imagine many people would find this very disrespectful and would be appalled by it. He then says I am doing this to protest child molestation in our country – it’s not about the flag, it’s about the cause. If you disagreed with him doing this you must be for child molestation?

    It’s the Ricky Bobby “with all due respect” take – you don’t get a pass for doing something that offends people by saying you are doing it for a good cause. If Michael Vick said he killed those dogs to raise awareness for racial injustice would we be expected to let it go?



  6. PensacolaCat
    11:00 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

    Protest away, but not during the national anthem.



  7. Han
    11:12 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

    Those of you who have neither served in the military nor are black are kindly invited to remember you should not tell others the meaning of the flag, anthem or their rights. You have no more understanding of or claim to meaning of these things than any other fellow citizen. And even military vets do not get to decide the true meaning; they’ve just risked more in service of it than you.

    You’re also invited to begin criticizing people who don’t stand for the anthem, who don’t place their hand or hat over their heart, who are at the concessions, who are eating hot dogs or nachos, who talk to their buddy, who laugh at something on the video screen, who play on their phone, who yell out “Woo!” after a high note, or otherwise “disrespect” the anthem and flag at every single sports game.

    You’re also invited to begin criticizing President Trump, who falsely claimed to have bone spurs to escape the draft (he was a sports player who suddenly had a physical ailment and does not now remember which foot he supposedly had spurs in), who has been caught on camera many times during anthems not having his hand over his heart (his wife had to nudge him one time as he was the only one not doing it), not paying attention, talking and pointing, waving his arms like he’s a conductor, moving his chair so he could sit down soon, and otherwise being generally disrespectful to the flag, anthem, and the country he’s sworn to serve (not rule). If you are not criticizing him for his much more high-profile and inappropriate disrespect, kindly stop criticizing others who are respectfully protesting as is their Constitutionally-protected right..



  8. StoneColdSaidSo
    11:30 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

    I think the players should be allowed to peacefully protest however they want. They shouldn’t be kept from kneeling for the national anthem.
    That being said I believe what they’re protesting is completely misguided. Having Kaepernick as a spokesman is extremely questionable after hearing some of his rhetoric. But a simple look at hard numbers will indicate that no, America is NOT systematically racist and that there may just be a few bad apples in the police force that are indiscriminately bad at their job. It’s hard to sell systematic racism when Freddie Gray, for example, was killed in Baltimore under a black chief of police, mayor, and president.
    We all know the official KSR position and I doubt if there were a writer to DARE go against the “America is systematically racist” narrative that he/she would be allowed to post the story, so go on continuing posting daily about how we still live in the 60s because it makes you feel like you’re…doing something? I don’t even really know the endgame honestly. You can’t abolish racism because you can’t force people how to think, but thankfully we were able to abolish systematic racism at least.



    • TPACAT
      12:37 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      The end game for these leftists is the dismantling of America and the principles on which it was founded. After all, America is the last obstacle to globalism…



    • 4everUKBlue
      1:19 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      You’re onto something TPA, the new world order is in progress. I pray those of you who believe a politician for any party is coming to save this country wake up soon. When they say “we’re all in this together” they mean they are all in this together and that does not include us.



  9. macattack
    11:39 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

    Ned, The entire system was built on racism. Which is why you have a larger proportion of African Americans in poorer situations, which leads to more crime, etc. It’s really not that hard to grasp. You want to talk about births out of wedlock and single parent homes? Try blaming the prison industrial complex in this country, which has essentially replaced slavery as a way to keep African Americans in bondage.

    I highly suggest everyone watch the 13th documentary on Netflix.



    • Mc12
      11:55 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

      At some point we can talk about personal accountability though right?
      Signed somebody that grew up poor and that also served in the military since we’re keeping count.



    • TPACAT
      12:39 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      Go talk to your boy, Lyndon Johnson and his creation of the “great society”. Look at the black family before/after…



    • Ned T.
      1:28 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      Macattack: you are brainwashed. It is white people’s fault that blacks choose gangbanging, drugs, and shun education? There is seriously something wrong with you.

      Go ask Clarence Thomas and Condeleeza Rice if blacks have opportunity in the US.

      Sheeesh.



    • Irwin R. Fletcher
      1:34 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      macattack, there’s no point in trying to get anyone here to open their minds & accept the truths of institutional racism. The KSR comments section is basically a Klan rally.

      I just wish I knew who these people acutally were, so I could keep my children far, far away from them.



    • StoneColdSaidSo
      2:40 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      That’s the spirit, Irwin. Teach your children anyone who doesn’t agree with daddy is a murderous racist.



  10. CatFanInLou
    11:40 am June 15, 2020 Permalink

    With regard to proportionality, the number of people killed by the police is significantly higher in the U.S. than in other developed countries. Within that group, black people are over-represented. I attended several of the protests in Louisville, and the police were by far the instigators of the violence. This is a monumental problem in our society and it must be solved now.



    • Ned T.
      12:00 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      It is not a monumental problem. You and your liberal friends are just looking for a reason to riot and destroy the US.

      YOU are the monumental problem.



  11. blueballs80
    12:21 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

    Let us also not forget Blacks also served in the military way back in the days only to come back and not enjoy the same privileges as the white man. Add to that Jim Crow law which further oppressed black people.

    If you look at the flag only from a military perspective, you are misguided. Justice and liberty also apply for whats happening at home. That has not happened to the black community. Colin took a knee to highlight police brutality and racial inequality. For us non black folks, we haven’t walked in a black persons shoes and we will never know what its like to be judged based on skin color.

    We have swept that under the rug too long. 400 years of slavery and suddenly thinking everything is fine is a false narrative we are telling ourselves. The athletes should take a knee when the anthem if they choose too.
    Black Lives Matter and it is not a front. If you don’t like athletes kneeling, then you can do your form of peaceful protest by not watching those sports.



    • TPACAT
      12:42 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      White guilt much? Why? Because you were told you have “privilege” at a protest or by your radical leftist professor? Not one iota here…



    • PensacolaCat
      1:14 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      If they want to take a knee during the anthem go ahead – I wont like it, may stop supporting the prosecution, but I won’t try to stop you either. However, I guarantee any athlete that doesn’t take a knee will be called a racist and risk being shunned by teammates and coaches. I’m all for freedom of speech, but it goes both ways. How about being ok with a differing opinion than your own instead of trying to force a person to adopt your own beliefs? Should I be fired from my job and have my family threatened because I don’t support BLM?



    • PensacolaCat
      1:15 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      *product not persecution* sorry for the double post



  12. PensacolaCat
    1:14 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

    *product not persecution*



  13. beak
    1:16 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

    I support peaceful protest, I just really wish that as a country we understood the real issues plaguing our nation. If you look at areas within our country and throughout the world that have the highest violent crimes rates then you will find two constants.

    1. High rates of single parent homes. Not that every single parent situation is hopeless but it certainly sets up for difficulties across all aspects of life. The degradation of the family leads to many issues long term. This is not a race issue, every nation struggles with this. It’s a family issue and a lack of understanding that the family is the central unit in Gods plan for ALL of His children.

    2. High rates of government assistance and dependence. Our welfare system was setup to support life and has been changed over the decades and used a political bargaining chip to catch votes. Instead of helping people get on their feet our welfare system replaces feet and we build a dependency. This is not a racial issue it’s a class issue built on a corrupt system.

    As for police brutality. They are the referees of our society. Their job sucks and is among the most stressful on earth. We need to offer more training and services for those serving to help them deal with the stresses on this insane profession.



  14. UKsuperdave
    1:18 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

    I have changed my mind on this. I used to think this…

    All athletes don’t kneel because they don’t see disrespecting the anthem/flag as a social justice tool for a subject totally unrelated to the National Anthem of the USA, nor can they see doing it in their place of business, a football field in this case.

    But now I think I realize more what’s it’s all about. I you were part of a race that has been persecuted for hundreds of years in this country you have the right to kneel during the anthem. From that point of view you may love this country but that doesn’t mean it’s perfect. You are still showing respect by kneeling and being still, you’re just saying “Hey this country is great but isn’t or hasn’t been so great to me or my race”. Now that I look at it that way it makes more sense to me. Part of what makes the country great is being able to protest and try to improve. Just remember perspective. If your white you may think you know, but you don’t and can’t. I think I’m gonna start kneeling too for support of black people in America.

    Don’t be non-racists be anti-racists. People want to say what about this (all lives matter) and that (white people get killed too), just shut up and support your fellow Americans. Believe it or not blacks still have it though in this country.



    • Irwin R. Fletcher
      1:39 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      Holy crap. I have never witnessed this sort of enlightenment & empathy in here. Good on you, UKsuperdave.

      Though, I’m still not taking my children to any UK football/basketball games – on the off chance we end up sitting next to some these racist cretins.



    • PensacolaCat
      2:31 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      If it makes you feel better to call everybody that disagrees with you a racist then more power to you. I feel sorry for sheep that have no ability to make a factual, valid point and resort to race shaming. The cancel culture is a fad and “cool” so I get it though.



  15. katmandue2you
    1:20 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

    Did someone mention personal accountability? Surely not! Surely we should never respect the rule of law! Surely we should always resist arrest! Imagine if someone were to suggest that even those that died at the hands of bad policing or what evolved into criminal policing (this is after all what is happening in these hyper-intense excessively stressful confrontations) were to suggest that these unjustly killed individuals would not have found themselves in their deadly situation had they not first run afoul of the law then secondly not resisted arrest. Understand…I make no excuse for bad or criminal policing. But nor do I make excuse for the criminals that put themselves in harms way of bad or criminal policing by being themselves a criminal in the first place. You want fairness? You want equity for all? Then we have to be truly fair and equitable in every regard to everyone.



  16. Ned T.
    1:37 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

    I thanked two police officers at Starbucks today. One white, one black. They are my friends.



  17. T-Town Cat
    1:51 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

    Every KSR post on this topic includes your talking point “proud of our athletes and coaches that took part in the BLM march”. Only a small fraction of the total team and coaches were in the march. Are you “ashamed” of the players and coaches that didn’t march? Are they racists? Do they not have their fellow players’ backs? I would really like to hear your opinion of these non-marchers.



  18. blueballs80
    1:56 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

    I am damn proud of Mark Stoops coming out and saying Black Lives Matter. He will lose some fans. Kentucky has deep roots when it comes to slavery and as evidenced in some of these comments, there are some racist POS still on here. Let the athletes kneel. You guys can boycott away or go root for another team. No one will miss y’all.



    • PensacolaCat
      2:20 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      You sir are an idiot



    • Ned T.
      2:23 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      You will miss our dollars. We win.



    • kacat2
      3:41 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

      Thats a load of shit. KY was a border state, it didn’t side with the confederacy. Slavery ended in 1865. There aren’t people who have “deep roots when it comes to slavery” anywhere in KY. If you want to see slavery as it continues to this very day, go to Africa. Every continent and every race has been enslaved at some point in history. Stop with the BS excuses. The first slave owner in the US was a black man. Most slaves where captured by Black men in their native country. The first millionaire female in the US was a Black former slave. So stop with the whining BS about what is and isn’t fair. Life isn’t fair, you have to either take accountability for your life and your actions or you don’t. But your outcome in life isn’t the fault of people who have been dead for generations. If liberals can’t accept the results of the decisions being made, then the next step they will take is to try and take away those options for everyone. The cancel culture you represent is equally repulsive. I don’t need you are anyone else telling my how I should feel about kids kneeling. I sure as hell didn’t fight for this country so some anonymous asshat could tell me that anyone who doesn’t kneel or fall into the “BLM” zombie trance is a racist.



  19. blueballs80
    3:04 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

    @Pensacolacat – you sir are ignorant. Stick to your fox news. The real world is too much to handle for faux news watchers.



  20. kacat2
    3:32 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

    I think people universally agree that people have the right to protest. Additionally, I think people universally agree that racism is a disease and police brutality examples makes us all sick. But to continue to protest DURING the NA is not something I’m going to agree with or support. I’ve grown tired of the constant attacks on America and the blaming of “systemic racism” which doesn’t always add up when put to the data test. If you want to talk about “systemic racism” the same way the data is being used by BLM than the NBA is systemically racially bias favoring Blacks. Police are killed trying to do their jobs far more than unarmed people are killed by police. The job they are asked to do is extremely dangerous than playing professional sports and the “war on police” is not going to be accepted by America.

    If you really are interested in driving change, then force the legislative actions to do it. That time is now BTW. Kneeling isn’t going to bring the country together to fight against racism. Removing statues isn’t going to do it and the council culture of trying to make everything go away that the liberal mob doesn’t like or agree with is dangerous to the very fabric of our freedoms.

    If players knelt, I don’t think negative feedback will be as intense but people will tune out and just walk away. I think that is what is often lost in the conversation. Don’t just keep complaining, don’t just continue to talk about how bad life is in America. You still have the freedom in this country that is provided by the bravery most who complain are capable of exhibiting. If Antifa takes over the argument in KY like they have in WA, you can be it will not go over well in KY.



  21. crazycatfan65
    6:44 pm June 15, 2020 Permalink

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
    Police kill almost twice as many whites per year yet the liberal MSM ignores those deaths just like they ignore the hourly black on black murders that are happening in democratic cities. In 2016 when the BLM BS started a whopping 7,881 blacks were murdered by their fellow blacks but yet BLM doesn’t seem to care about those senseless deaths.
    Roland Fryer, a black Harvard Professor released a study in 2016 calling it the “most surprising results of my career” He states. “it’s an inconvenient reality to NFL and other protesters that police are not killing black Americans at a higher rate than white Americans.In 2016 police fatally shot 783 Americans with 47% being white Americans and 16% being black Americans. Also in 2016 police killed 43 unarmed Americans with 20 being white Americans and 16 being black Americans. Thanks to the MSM we can name most if not all of those 16 unarmed black Americans killed but how many of those 20 unarmed white Americans can you name? You can’t because of the race baiting MSM.