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BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: What if UK-UL would have been the Last Game All Along?

Could Commonwealth Stadium be this empty for a UL game in December?

1994: Louisville (6-4) at Kentucky (0-10)
Reaction: Even with a winless Kentucky, this game likely would have drawn big attention for the fact the series was being renewed for the first time in 371 years.  But, it could be likely argued the result of the game would have changed.  As the first game, Kentucky won 20-14, but after 10 straight losses, and a UL team winning 3 of their last 5 games, you could argue the Cards likely win this game at the end of the year.

1995: Louisville (6-4) at Kentucky (4-6)
Reaction: UK had lost 4 of their last 5 games so the fans had probably checked out for basketball season, which was a national championship season.  The result of the game is unlikely to be changed, but the interest would would have been less.

1996: Louisville (4-6) at Kentucky (4-6)
Reaction: Once again, the game would have drawn significantly less interest as neither team had a particularly good season, and UL had lost 3 of their last 4 and UK would have just gotten pasted by Tennessee by 46.

1997: Louisville (1-9) at Kentucky (4-6)
Reaction: UL was having it’s worst season of the decade and Kentucky was once again out of bowl contention, so broken record here, but the game would have drawn less interest.  The result probably stays the same though as UK was just better that season.

1998: Kentucky (6-4) at Louisville (7-3)
Reaction: One of the few times the game might have been better at the end of the year.  UL clearly was overmatched in the first game.  68-34.  Wow.  But by the end of the year, it likely would have been a much better contest, still likely a Kentucky win.

1999: Louisville (6-4) at Kentucky (6-4)
Reaction: This game would have likely been highly anticipated but mean very little in the end as both teams’ bowl slots would have been secured.

2000: Kentucky (2-8) at Louisville (8-2)
Reaction: Absolutely minimal interest in this game as Kentucky was horrible and UL a Top 25 team.  Maybe UL fans show up for the game, but UK likely brings very little fan support.

2001: Louisville (9-2) at Kentucky (2-8)
Reaction: Same basic idea at 2000.  Game draws mediocre crowd and interest.

2002: Kentucky (6-5) at Louisville (7-4)
Reaction: UL had a disappointing season, so despite their 7 wins, their fans had lukewarm feelings about that team.  And UK was not bowl eligible because of sanctions.  At best, equal interest as first game of year.

2003: Louisville (8-3) at Kentucky (4-7)
Reaction: Another less than stellar game at the end of the year at Commonwealth.

2004: Kentucky (2-8) at Louisville (9-1)
Reaction: Not only would this have been a big time beatdown, it would have drawn little interest.

2005: Louisville (8-2) at Kentucky (3-7)
Reaction: Rinse and repeat from 2004, 2003, 2001, etc etc.

2006: Kentucky (7-4) at Louisville (10-1)
Reaction: This would have probably been the best seasons for the game at the end of the year.  So the excitement would have been high, but overall bowl implications would have been small.

2007: Louisville (6-5) at Kentucky (7-4)
Reaction: The game drew HUGE interest as the 3rd game as UL hadn’t tanked yet.  End of the year, UL fans had already quit on Kragthorpe.

2008: Kentucky (6-5) at Louisville (5-6)
Reaction: UL may have been going for a bowl, but even still, neither team had an impressive season.

2009: Louisville (4-7) at Kentucky (6-5)
Reaction: Another mediocre game against 2 teams who had mediocre seasons.

2010: Kentucky (5-6) at Louisville (6-5)
Reaction: Kentucky would have been fighting for bowl eligibility while Charlie Strong had UL fans happy with a surprising 6 wins.  This game probably draws similar interest.

2011: Louisville (6-5) at Kentucky (5-6)
Reaction: Basically a repeat of 2010, except the game would be in Lexington.  UK fighting for bowl eligibility.

2012: Kentucky (2-9) at Louisville (9-2)
Reaction: A boring blowout.

Here are some stats of the potential of these 19 games had they been played the last game of the year:

* Only 3 times has a team come into the game with 5 wins and bowl eligibility on the line.  UL in 2008 and UK in 2010 and 2011.  THREE OUT OF 38 INSTANCES!
*In 9 of the 19 games, one team would have had AT LEAST 3 more wins than the other team
*In only 5 of the 19 games would both teams had been bowl eligible at the time of the game
*In 7 of the 19 games, one or both of the teams would have come into the game with 3 or fewer wins
*Kentucky would have been coming off a loss in 18 of the 19 games, while Louisville would have come off a loss in 7 of the 19 games
The problem for me is not the thinking behind moving the game to the end of the year.  I get the 2 conferences want all their rivalries played as the last game and most college football powers play their rival, whether in conference or not, at the end of the season.  The problem for me is that Kentucky and Louisville don’t fit the mold of college football powers.  They don’t love the end of football season, no matter who they are playing, if their teams have just 3-6 wins.  And frankly, if we learn anything from above, it’s that one or both of the teams is likely to be average to below average.  Only 5 times out of the 19 seasons would both teams had been bowl eligible at the time of the game if it were played at the end of the year.  It that suddenly going to change?  I don’t see it but hope these 2 programs can prove me wrong.

Article written by Bryan the Intern

27 Comments for BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: What if UK-UL would have been the Last Game All Along?

  1. Poppschmidty
    9:10 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    I do believe, BTI, that this article is pointless. Your “predictions” for the game lack any structure or detail. You suck.

  2. classof68
    9:15 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    Apparently BTI hasn’t bought into the new KSR tennis format yet. All he ever talks about is UK football and basketball.

  3. Bald Guy
    9:16 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    This article is typical of what I call the “CATS basketball fan” – BTI, you sir, are as bad if not worse than a UofL fan

  4. Duane Tracy
    9:17 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    The angle of the story “sounded” interesting but after I read the first few comments from BTI it became clear this was a waste of time….3 minutes of my life I will never get back :). After doing your “analysis” BTI you should have concluded this assessment should not be published as it was totally pointless. Dare I say it…….. BTI sucks!

  5. clay
    9:21 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    This fails to show Kentucky injury situations after playing a tough conference schedule. Some of he games won by Kentucky in the series feature a different QB even than who started the last game.

  6. MattD
    9:51 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    I think the biggest downside of having the game at the end of the season is UK will have played an entire SEC schedule, which takes a huge toll on the players, especially considering UK’s (historically) lack of depth. Would hate to see a bunch of backups lose to a UofL team.

  7. Wow
    9:52 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    Wow, when you see our record over that many years, it really stands out that our team is not very good and hasn’t been in a long time. Ouch.. I have to lay down.

  8. ukcatsfan2
    9:52 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    I’m very tired of 2-8 and 3-7 seasons.

    May they never occur again….

  9. claiborne_field
    9:58 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    While I’ll miss having the Tennessee finale, I believe this move is good for both programs because it’s DIFFERENT. It shakes things up and forces CHANGE. Your entire argument is based on past results. And you are wrong sir- Kentucky does fit the mold of football power. SEC- check. Powerful fan base- check. recruiting- check (Stoops is proving that). I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again- WE ARE A FOOTBALL SCHOOL who really realyy really LOVES Basketball. If we start winning, we are no different than when Florida (or South Carolina, for that matter) started up with Spurrier…

  10. BB
    10:12 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    The majority of the articles on KSR are completely biased and irrelavent. I used to enjoy reading this website’s articles, but the only football articles I have seen highlight Louisville’s negatives. I thought this was a UK site? This isn’t journalism, this is a one sided pissing contest.

  11. The same?
    10:13 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    In 2012, UL would have been riding a two-game losing streak with a hobbled Bridgewater, if the game was played last. Not to mention the fact the their leading rusher was gone with a knee injury. This is assuming, of course, that UK just replaces Rutgers on the 2012 schedule.

    BTI, stick to sucking off basketball fans. Your football knowledge is embarrassing.

  12. Bryan the Intern
    10:14 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    10) The majority of articles on a website called KENTUCKY SPORTS RADIO are biased? You don’t say.

  13. Bryan the Intern
    10:16 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    11) How did that Rutgers game end up again? Oh that’s right, UL won on the road. With a hobbled Bridgewater. And UK wasn’t anywhere near as good as Rutgers.

  14. UKSupporter76
    10:27 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    12) KSR is the AMC cable network of the internet. American Movie Classics often features new TV shows (sometimes of British origin) which makes them neither American, nor Movies, Nor Classics.

    KSR is pretty much the same way. It’s a blog that talks about other teams and posts pictures of hot (and semi-hot) collge girls as much as it does anything else.

    So let’s not act like a literal interpretation of the site name gives you a free pass to write stupid, largely irrelevant crap 5 times a week.

    At this point I’m pretty much convinced you’re either a closet UofL fan, or you just really enjoy trolling your own fanbase.

  15. BTI's Poor Ego
    10:31 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    Your analysis is garbage and your writing is garbage. Your defensiveness in the comments proves that your insecurity extends beyond the level of your writing ability. You can just admit you’re a basketball fan who’s forced to cover football due to its recent popularity, much like Jones.

  16. UKSupporter76
    10:34 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    12) Also, brilliant logic on your “reactions”

    Both teams have a good record
    BTI’s Reaction: Not a very compelling game since both teams already have a bowl bid locked up.

    Both teams looking for a bowl bid
    BTI’s Reaction: Not a very compelling game since both teams are hovering around .500.

    Let me guess, you want a 11-0 UK playing a 0-11 UofL to really make it a big game, right?

  17. Look Out Fireworks!
    10:38 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    And now: what if BTI could write a post.

    Comment 1 Reaction: Good comment, lacks enthusiasm.
    Comment 2 Reaction: Good comment, similar reaction.
    Comment 3 Reaction: Similar Comment, good enthusiasm.
    Comment 4 Reaction: Similar to the above 3 comments.
    Comment 5 Reaction: Similar. Is anyone even reading this anymore?
    Comment 6 Reaction: Um.. same boring comments.

    in 6 of the 6 comments, BTI Sucks.
    In 1 of the 6 comments, it was the same as the other reactions.
    BTI still Sucks.

  18. Robert Abell
    10:56 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    All in all, this seems like a pretty good argument for the UK-Louisville game being the first one of the season.

  19. UKSupporter76
    10:58 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    12) One last note… you suck at math.

    with 12 possible records entering the last game of the season (0-11 through 11-0) there is a 1 in 12 (8.33%) chance of a team entering the game at exactly 5-6

    But instead of 8.33% coming in at 5-6, it was actually 7.89% which, considering the fact that we’re dealing with an even number of games (not divisible by 12) it is AS CLOSE AS STATISTICALLY POSSIBLE TO EXACTLY WHAT ONE SHOULD EXPECT AS YOU CAN GET.

    In other words, you’re excitement over “THREE OUT OF 38 INSTANCES!” is totally misplaced.

    …and you still suck.

    11:04 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    Once again, BTI #GetsIt
    Too much kissing ars of the UL & UK AD’s Tennis Matt (sorry)

  21. catdaddyd
    11:44 am August 27, 2013 Permalink

    Agree with post. I like the game being the opener.

  22. GOOSE
    12:37 pm August 27, 2013 Permalink

    BRYAN… PLEASE STICK TO BASKETBALL..Your football knowledge is pathetic at best.

  23. Play'm All
    12:56 pm August 27, 2013 Permalink

    I love the idea of having the UK/UL game at the end. I thought the idea of also playing the Women’s and Men’s BB games the same weekend was great. The entire college sports world would turn their eyes to the state of Kentucky. What a hoot that weekend would be. Ok, I will wake up and go back to work.

  24. Just saying
    3:50 pm August 27, 2013 Permalink

    The point is… Who ever lost the UK/UL game goes on to have a terrible season, and te winner goes on to good or great season. Having it at the end allows both teams to play all season without hearing from the fan bases about it.

  25. miggles
    4:13 pm August 27, 2013 Permalink

    I know people like to joke about how much BTI’s articles suck … but damn, this BTI article sucks. And, true to BTI fashion, I’m not giving any further indication as to why. It just sucks. Accept it.

  26. boomerball48
    5:08 pm August 27, 2013 Permalink

    So the general assumption is that BTI sucks and so, therefore, his opinions suck or are irirelevant. Please state your argument to his position instead on going straight for the BTI Sucks, very U of L of you!!! I like the game being the last of the year instead of the first. It has been a rivalry that UK has had success in. Why should we still want the last game to be UT, obviously we have them right were we want them, whipping our buts every year!! If we have success against our last opponent of the year it ends the year on a good note, a feeling we havse had once in nearly 30 years. Aother thing I cannot stand is opening with Florida in SEC play!! It gets UK off to a bad start in conference and it is hard to build momentum when you get crushed first game! Just because the game might be played on a day when the B-Ball team may play!! Let Football grow and let UK be a power in both!! It can happen-you might really be surprised by this years F-Ball team!!

  27. jwest
    6:20 pm August 27, 2013 Permalink

    My God BTI, you suck.