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BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: Drew Barker and the Redshirt, No Need to Rush

Yesterday on this website you likely saw that Coach Mark Stoops said he was nowhere near making a decision on potentially redshirting Drew Barker for this season or not.  Certainly with Patrick Towles being named the starter and Reese Phillips competing and out of a redshirt year, there are at least 2 QB’s who are going to be on roster and who Barker is not clearly ahead of.  Throw in Max Smith and there are 3 quarterbacks on roster.  So many fans would wonder why you wouldn’t just redshirt Barker today and let him learn for the entire year.  Well, here are a couple reasons:

1. There is no guarantee that Towles or Phillips will play well.  If Kentucky struggles with UT-Martin and/or Ohio, then Barker might still need to be the QB to go to.  Just because Towles was named the starter doesn’t mean his play will warrant him staying there.  Let’s not forget that Jaylen Whitlow was thought to be THE GUY last year and it was clear after 1 game that Max Smith needed to be seriously considered.  Now, in Barker’s case there might be 2 QB’s ahead of him right now, making it less likely that both will stink.  But you never know, and that leads to the second reason to hold off on the redshirt:

2. There is no deadline.  Multiple sources I found online state that there is no deadline during the season to apply for a redshirt.  The qualifications are very clear though.  Medical redshirts can be granted if a player has participated in 30% or less of the competitions.  A regular redshirt is only available if a player has NOT PARTICIPATED in any game.  So once Barker steps on the field to take any kind of snap, his potential to be redshirted will be gone.  But Barker could, in theory, dress for every single game this season and just stand on the sideline taking it in and could still be considered a redshirt at the end of the season.

When you think about this critically, there is no reason for Drew Barker to redshirt during the season.  As stated above, he still might be needed if the other QB’s are not productive.  If Towles is productive and appears to be the guy moving forward, then Barker might not be staying at the school and redshirt will mean nothing to the program.  (Although hopefully if he doesn’t play at all and transfers they will still give him a redshirt out of courtesy)  But even if there is no expectation that Barker will see any action during the season, because there is no deadline, there is no reason to actually announce it.  All it really does is tell the fans he won’t be available, but for the sake of the team and the kid, there is no reason to do it.

With that said, remember the story of what Steve Kragthorpe did to a couple of linemen during his first year at Louisville.  Kragthorpe had 2 of his freshman linemen play for ONE SERIES in a game against Murray State in the first game of the year and then never played the linemen again for the rest of that season.  He essentially wasted that year for those kids because they lost a year of eligibility without seeing any real competition.  My point in bring that story up is if Barker is ever used by Stoops and Neal Brown this year, then they better use him a bunch.  Don’t throw Barker in there for a half and then bounce back to Towles or Phillips and Barker goes back to the bench.  Once the reigns are handed to Barker (if they are), then I say that is where the ball should remain.  But for the time being, everybody stop rushing the coaches to declare a redshirt for Drew Barker and let the season play out.

Article written by Bryan the Intern

41 Comments for BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: Drew Barker and the Redshirt, No Need to Rush

  1. Mxyzptlk
    9:07 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

    So if they use Barker at all, they better use him a bunch so they don’t waste the season? Thanks for that brilliant deduction.

    In related news, people should not jump off of skyscrapers because the landing will kill them. And the sun will set in the west tonight, but it will rise again tomorrow in the east…

    • Johnny Blue
      2:57 pm August 19, 2014 Permalink

      And BTI should learn the difference between “reign” and “rein”.

  2. Mxyzptlk
    9:09 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

    Okay, to be fair, while I’m pretty sure these coaches understand how to use a redshirt effectively, it must be said that the previous UK staff had absolutely no clue about such things…

    • inside info
      10:29 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      I’m no defender of the previous administration, but do you have any examples? Just curious.

    • catscatscats
      10:50 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      I think the biggest example was Patrick Towles. They threw him in because they were desperate not because it made sense. The other believe is that the previous administration could have red shirted more kids in an attempt to develop them to an SEC level. Examples I don’t have but what I do know is that UK’s teams under Joker Philips seemed undersized, under prepared, and under talented. Red shirts are supposed to help all three of those things.

  3. Even if you do redshirt him, that doesn’t mean you can’t still use him if it becomes necessary, does it? I understand you can’t do what Kragthorpe did to those guys and throw away a season for Drew, but if the other QB’s stink or we have injury problems (we know how fragile Max has been), you still might need to put him in.

    • rockatao
      10:15 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      FACTS dictate whether a player is redshirted or not, not some declaration by the coaching staff. Whatever the coaching staff says is simply a statement of what they plan to do. Plans can change at any time. If he doesn’t play at all this year, he still has four more years of eligibility. If he plays one down, he loses a year. If a player dresses for a game, loses his head and rushes on to the field for a snap, he loses a year. And you don’t have to point out UofL for blowing redshirt years. UK did it several years ago with a promising wide receiver (don’t remember his name) – held him out all year and then put him in for the Tennessee game.

  4. Tori Smelling
    9:41 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

    What a stupid post.

    Why has the writing deteriorated so much on KSR?

    • Gentleman Farmer
      10:02 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      Love the critics who read blogs and websites instead of writing for or creating one themselves…..

    • Bryan the Intern
      10:26 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      I think we are just trying to match the general quality of the comments section.

    • Comma's are my best friend
      10:41 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      Nah BTI, it’s just you! Virtually every post I read on this website that is poorly written with loads of grammatical errors is written by you.
      Oh and let’s not forget that your points are usually so obvious. Suggestion: take a pass next time it’s your turn to write.
      “when you think about this critically” BTI, I don’t know how you write for a living. Seriously interested to know where you grew up and what schools (high school and college) you attended?

    • ukbradstith
      10:54 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      Comma’s are my best friend- “when you think about this critically” requires no commas, dumbass.

    • Johnny Blue
      3:00 pm August 19, 2014 Permalink

      Well, it’s “commas are,” not “comma’s are.” Just sayin’.
      And the Thompson girl is just as bad as BTI in terms of silly grammatical errors.

  5. tuxedo park
    9:54 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

    Hey guys, I have it on good authority that this year a touchdown will be worth 6 points and the extra point will give you a total of 7. So don’t forget to have a kicker get you that extra point Mark Stoops! You wouldn’t want to leave points on the table!

    • UKfan
      10:29 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      Hilarious. I laughed hard at that post. It does make a great point on the idiocy of many statements made within the blog. We know that BTI was rooting real hard for Barker to start and when he didn’t happen, then BTI’s panties got all bunched up. Sometimes I wonder if he doesn’t have Tardinal tendencies.

      I trust this coaching staff on their decisions. Please stop comparing last years competition to this year. Last year, the staff was so desperate for a QB that they were forced to play the one who was least likely to get hurt. It was obvious in the offense we were forced to run and how we only averaged 20 point per game. This year, because they were able to sacrifice last year, Towles was able to redshirt and improve. That was smart on their part. Again, I trust what they are doing.

    • inside info
      10:31 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      lol +1

  6. Jughead
    10:19 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

    Barker deserves better. Reminds me of another brilliant KY coach who decided to keep Couch on the bench during his freshman year. Barker is 4th on the QB depth chart??? Evien most high schoolers could get to Towles before he releases the ball. One solid bump on the shoulder and Smith is out for the season. Barker is our only pro-set quarterback and could build KY into a winning program. Now after another brilliant Stoops move, Barker takes the redshirt, transfers at the end of the year and Damien Harris sees how KY boys fare at Ohio South and drops KY from consideration.

    • inside info
      10:33 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      That brilliant coach kept Couch on the sideline because he wouldn’t have performed any better than Haskins did in the option offense. It didn’t have nearly as much to do with the quality of quarterbacks as it did with the idiocy of using the option when you had two passing QBs. Don’t forget, Haskins broke tons of KHSAA passing records when he was in high school. He was pretty good in his own right.

    • UKfan
      10:39 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      inside info,

      Thanks for informing the less informed. Ignorance tends to be contagious.

    • Duh
      10:55 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      So Damien Harris can see how Kentucky boys fare if Barker doesn’t play? Lol, that is so stupid. Towles is a KY kid that has patiently waited his turn and earned the job. How would sitting Towles, a KY kid, show anything different over sitting Barker? Your logic is absurd.

    • Billy Jack
      6:12 pm August 19, 2014 Permalink

      Thanks bub

  7. rockatao
    10:21 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

    does any writer on this site know the difference between “reigns” and “reins”? you would think in a state dominated by the horse industry, someone would know you “take over the reins”.

    • UKfan
      10:58 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      I get your point, but I am more concerned about the content of his message than his grammar. I understand that the blog needs filler material, but I tend to have an issue with it when he starts combining obvious statements with poor comparisions. All that does is bring out the trolls. If it helps, I guess you could say that BTI has reign over the trolls; hence, the Troll King.

  8. RealUKFan
    10:29 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

    BTI, your points are stupid. You either give Barker the job and let him learn on the job, or you redshirt him. There can be no middle ground. This is a rebuilding year. The quicker the coaching staff admits this the better. If you give Barker the job then you stay with him every game no matter how he plays. If you are not ready to do that then the only other choice is a redshirt year. To do anything else is a disservice to him and the program.

    • ukbradstith
      10:59 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

      Why does that make the points stupid? That is your opinion, one the coaching staff may not agree with. In fact, I’d say BTI’s points are spot on. Which point, exactly is stupid and why?

  9. inside info
    10:35 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

    BTI, I don’t bash you much, but it is posts like this that lead me to believe that either

    1. You are actually a troll
    2. You are the only one that will get up early enough on the KSR staff to write and post before noon.

  10. ukbradstith
    10:56 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

    BTI, you might actually be too intelligent to write to our fanbase. This post brings up many good points, as all your posts do. And by the way, you are excellent on the radio and I really think you have a future as a host.

  11. Tom
    11:11 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

    We wanted a quarterback to be named.
    They named one.
    They said the chosen one won the competition.
    All of you so called football fans show your disapproval. and protest.
    Don’t go to the opener.
    Show them you know who’s the better quarterback.
    Yeah, stay away.
    Better yet, let’s ask Cal.He knows everything from spanking a baby’s butt to wrecking a freight train.

  12. UKfan
    11:37 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

    I see the Troll Jester has arrived.

  13. Tom
    11:44 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

    tell us UKfan, who would you start?
    I’m sure you’ve got this all figured out.
    Why not start a true freshman, sit the others, and let an unexperienced kid get eaten alive while we all know the other three know in their hearts they couldn’t do better.
    Tell us, we all wait anxiously for you knowledge.
    are you here just to bash?

    • UKfan
      12:19 pm August 19, 2014 Permalink

      Listen troll, I will play along and help BTI get his comment count up. Read what SethD says below…he makes good points. It makes no sense to stress over the QB situation and Drew not getting the starting job. We have QB’s on the roster that in the past never got the chance to develop. I think they have developed and guess what…now one of them gets the starting nod. Patrick was a very good QB in high school; let’t not discount his ability just yet. Does he keep the job…I think he will, but we shall see. I think Reece will also get plenty of opportunityto play this year. The smart money is to redshirt Drew and let him play when the program is more established. He will get his opportunity and as UK continues to recruit better players, the program will continue to get better. I will enjoy watching the team from a few seats back. Go Cats.

    • Tom
      3:49 pm August 19, 2014 Permalink

      There are a lot of kids that were very good in high school. Especially in Kentucky. Where if you don’t play basketball you’re not considered an athlete. .
      We all are anxiously waiting for our outstanding Ohio recruits to fill the bill and bring us all the glory we can stand. Now exactly how many of these recruits had offers from Ohio State.At last count it was a one. We go ape poop over getting someone left over the best I’ve ever seen.
      I hope all of them make all american. And we win the national championship, and the Easter Bunny leaves me a million dollars in my basket. Wishin’ and hopin’ is all we’ve got so far.
      Next year. or the year after that, or ———, is getting old.

  14. SethD
    11:48 am August 19, 2014 Permalink

    What’s with the people stressing over Barker possibly transfering if he gets a redshirt? Just really curious why in the world y’all think he would do that? Lol. There had to be part of you that knew the kid probably wasn’t going be named QB1 his freshman season. I would like to think Barker probably knew that as well. He knew there was gonna be a qb competition and he would have a fair shot, but come on guys…Stoops has to make progression from last season and that’s a damn hard thing to in the sec when you put a kid fresh out of highschool into the starting qb role. Barkers not going anywhere if he gets a redshirt. He obviously loves the staff, the players, and played a huge role in recruiting for us as well. He looks to be pretty invested in the program to me. The kid just graduated high school, I think he needs a year to get better anyways. That’s a tough position to just seamlessly transition or even begin to learn at the college level and I believe the days of us throwing kids straight into the fire are over with. But, anyways, I just wanted to comment at the few people who seemed to be entering panic mode over Barker. There’s just not a single bit of me that thinks the kid will transfer if he doesn’t play this year. I don’t even begin to understand where that worry comes from. It’s just silly. The kid will have a great career here whether he plays this year or not.
    PS- I think if we look much improved,show promise and potential of future greatness, and actually win a few games, then I think that’s what Damien Harris pays attention to. Personally, I wouldn’t think he gives a damn who hands him the ball as long as it’s a QB with the ability to win games.

  15. clancyhat
    12:24 pm August 19, 2014 Permalink

    I am not a fan of BTI ( or is it BIT ) but I have this remarkably amazing idea – if ya don’t like him, don’t read it. Duh

  16. CAT888
    12:40 pm August 19, 2014 Permalink

    I beleive these Coachewill make the right choices. I remember Curry burning a Red Shirt on a player in his last game as coach “JUST BECAUSE HE COULD” He also continued to play an injured quarteback long after the game was lost just to show he didn’t have to play Couch.

    • CAT999
      1:28 pm August 19, 2014 Permalink

      If you think Bill Curry ever made a coaching decision out of spite I’m afraid you don’t know anything about Bill Curry.

  17. TimA
    1:55 pm August 19, 2014 Permalink

    Any player can be redshirted whether he’s a freshman or not.

    • Blue To The Bone...
      2:13 pm August 19, 2014 Permalink

      And it doesn’t have to be done until the end of the season…

    • The Hits Keep On Coming
      3:58 pm August 19, 2014 Permalink

      And Whitlow was never considered “THE GUY”. I mean not even once. There was never even a hint of anyone on the coaching staff with that feeling. In fact, quite the opposite. Whitlow was the guy with experience and a healthy shoulder. Towles was to that point a disappointment. We were warned early and often that what we would see would not be the Air Raid offense. So despite incorrect facts and conclusions obvious to anyone with the ability to spell football it’s a helluva post.

    • Billy Jack
      6:21 pm August 19, 2014 Permalink

      Damn son did you go to Harvard? Do you do taxes?

  18. Poor Quality
    5:45 pm August 19, 2014 Permalink

    You hope the staff will at least give him the redshirt if he wants to transfer? He’ll have to sit out a season if he transfers anyways. Pretty sure that with the exception of special requests (usually injury related) the NCAA still gives you 5 years to finish your 4 years of eligibility. Redshirting at UK won’t help him if he transfers because he could just redshirt his transfer year at a new school. Also I don’t think Drew Barker expected to be handed the job. ZERO SEC wins the past 2 seasons for UK, there should be no rush to get Barker on the field before he’s ready. Towles starting the season isn’t keeping us from winning the East if he doesn’t perform.

    As far as Harris not committing to UK because of this, wow, please find a new team to root for, don’t need you in the fanbase morons. Barker would play often if you used multiple QBs in the game as you do RBs. Sure Harris would expect to just walk onto Bama’s campus and be given the starting RB job as a true freshman. Harris will play if he comes to UK because you can have as many as 4 RBs reasonably getting snaps in a single game including special teams play. Two different positions, can’t compare a true freshman not getting the job at QB to the potential playing time the #1 RB recruit would worry about receiving as a result.