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BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: Do You Want WKU Again?

There is very little doubt that when Mitch Barnhart scheduled a 4-game series with Western Kentucky several years ago, he fully expected for UK to go 4-0 in those games.  Because no matter how you spin it, Kentucky schedules its non-conference football games for no-doubt wins, except for Louisville.  With the grind of the SEC schedule, the program decided that the best scenario for them to make a bowl was 3 basic guarantee wins with wins over Louisville more often than not, then looking for 2-3 SEC wins to make it to 6.  And frankly, it worked, as UK went to bowl games with just 6 wins a total of 3 times.  But it also meant that often times the non-conference schedule outside of Louisville didn’t garner much interest from fans.  That seemed to change when UK scheduled WKU because it would likely be easy wins against an in-state opponent many fans also rooted for, or at least had interest in.

That all changed when WKU won the last 2 games.  Now, let’s be completely honest: the series was not being renewed whether WKU won on Saturday or not.  UK’s 2014 schedule has already been booked with UL, Ohio, La-Monroe, and UT-Martin.  But, I feel it is fairly safe to say that even if a renewal of the series was on the table, it would have been very unlikely UK would have agreed to a renewal.  Not with the program rebuilding and WKU having a bowl caliber program now.  But my question is this:

As a fan, and considering the last 2 years, would you rather gain revenge on WKU by continuing the rivalry with the risk of taking more losses OR drop them off the schedule completely?

I know my answer is simple: I want WKU on the schedule again.  No question.  I want them back on the schedule not only for the payback factor, but for the simple point they will be a good barometer of where this program is going.  If UK can not consistently beat Western, then I think we can all agree the program will never be a serious competitor in the SEC.  But conquering the in-state team that has now embarrassed you 2 years in a row would be a nice feather in the cap of Mark Stoops as he attempts to rebuild the team.

But I also think it shows UK’s willingness not to dodge opponents that can beat them.  There is no proof that the series is ending because WKU has won 2 years in a row, but if I am a fan of Kentucky football, I am pushing Mitch Barnhart to put WKU back on the schedule.  I am telling him that if this program wants to ever consider itself a serious football team, we have to play serious football games against programs that could potentially beat us.  And yes, I understand that we play in the SEC.  And yes, the current scheduling method has worked.  But, you could argue it has also given the program a ceiling because there are rarely non-conference games to impress the nation.  The school has scheduled out of fear.  Out of fear of not reaching 6 wins.  Out of fear they can’t beat even decent BCS teams.  Rescheduling WKU would prove this program isn’t scheduling out of fear.  It will schedule teams because it thinks those teams deserve payback and UK is the kind of program that will deliver that.  Which is exactly the same reason I hope Louisville is never pulled off the schedule either.

It is a small step in the development of the UK football program, but I truly believe putting WKU back on the schedule in 2015 will be a good step towards showing this program is not longer shooting for mediocrity.  It shows this program wants the challenge and will face programs that have beaten them in the past.  And if that happens, I salute Stoops, Barnhart, and the moving forward of this program.

Article written by Bryan the Intern

47 Comments for BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: Do You Want WKU Again?

  1. Catman
    9:05 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    We need to play WKU again. If we act scared to play them, out players will feel worse. Play them in the next 4 years and we’ll put a beating on them.

  2. Canadian Mountme
    9:09 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Drop em’! There is absolutely nothing to gain by playing them. If you win….you should have won, if you lose…it’s embarrassing.

  3. Paducah
    9:09 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    So you are saying the program won’t move forward without WKU on the schedule? The top high school talent comes from outside Kentucky, do you think they care about playing for a team that plays/beats WKU or one that goes to a bowl game?

  4. Joey
    9:11 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    WKU and UK are irrelevant. Who cares if they play them. Revenge? UK does not consistently beat anybody so revenge is out the door.

  5. I. Melvin
    9:18 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Did you go to Western? That’s the only logical explanation I can come up with for such a ridiculous bit of tortured reasoning.

    If Barnhart was too timid to hire Petrino, he sure as hell needs to get him off the schedule because he’ll out-coach us every single time.

    Face it, we need four legitimate patsies. What little success Brooks had was based on this very sound principle.

    It does us no good to play anyone in-state. All it does is motivate and ultimately help build up our in-state rivals.

  6. JDH
    9:18 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    We might see WKU again if the SEC ever goes to 9 games and we drop Louisville. But even then, it still might not happen.

  7. kadizkat
    9:19 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Really Joey, don’t you have anything to do but troll? Good question BTI, but you still suck. I’d like us to play them every year.

  8. Joker
    9:20 am September 4, 2013 Permalink


  9. Bob Sugar
    9:21 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Like the rest of the individuals affiliated with this site, you have know connection to UK whatsoever and were too afraid to attend UK because of its large class sizes. You are a pseudo fan incapable of understanding what it means to be true blue. This post is another shining example of your closet fandom for directional schools with no academic or athletic tradition or quality. UK has nothing to gain by playing any s*** in-state school.

  10. Katmandu
    9:23 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    I want Louisville’s schedule……unless they add Trinity!

  11. Music City Cat Fan
    9:26 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    As a Cat fan and WKU alum I will say that UK is the only team in this matchup with anything to lose. WKU HAS NOTHING TO LOSE AND EVERYTHING TO PROVE. But UK should show some balls and schedule them again. It is my opinion that football teams should have balls.

  12. TrueBlue63
    9:30 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Bob Sugar – I really hope you didn’t attend UK because you’re dropping the IQ of that school with every word you type. It’s “no connection”, not “know connection”. “Know” is a word used to describe knowledge, which you have none of. And UK “has nothing to gain by playing any s*** in-state school”? Well, if WKU is s***, then what does that say about UK since they lost to WKU? Don’t tell me you’re running from the directional school…..

  13. Music City Cat Fan
    9:30 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Bob sugar check WKU’s website to the athletic tradition. WKU just made the “big league” but have always been dominate in the league in which they play. I bleed blue but show respect where its due.

  14. Real UK Fan
    9:32 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    There is nothing to be gained by playing WKU. As said above if we win, we gain nothing and if we lose we are embarrassed. We are in a rebuilding process and wll be for the next three years. We don’t need or want he WKU game.

  15. Clay The Football Guru
    9:33 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    You drop them….and In my mind you drop WKU and UofL. Matter of time before SEC goes to 9 games, but is in addition to 4 OOC games:

    So 2014 if we did it our Sched would look like this:

    Aug. 30 – UT Martin (W)
    Sept. 6 – Ohio University (W)
    Sept. 13 – at Florida
    Sept. 20 – open
    Sept. 27 – Vanderbilt (PW)
    Oct. 4 – South Carolina
    Oct. 11 – ULM (W)
    Oct. 18 – at LSU
    Oct. 25 – Mississippi State (PW)
    Nov. 1 – at Missouri (PW)
    Nov. 8 – Georgia
    Nov. 15 – at Tennessee (PW)
    Nov. 22 – at SEC West School
    Nov. 29 – at FCS School (W)

    That gives us 4 immediate W’s, We gain nothing by playing WKU or UofL. and we are over halfway to a bowl.

  16. Clay The Football Guru
    9:34 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    I mean Home at FCS School…

  17. tltaworl
    9:42 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Drop them. It does nothing for us to play them, why we signed a 4 year deal is puzzeling to me. You want to play an instate school once in a while fine, but I would like us to get to the point of having UofL, IU, Cincy, on a rotating schedule with 3 other gimmie games.

  18. niaps
    9:45 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Lets see how WKU does this week against Tenn. If they beat them then it may mean that the toppers are a team moving upward. If that is the case and they go to another bowl then playing them again and winning only improves UK’s strength of schedule. Lets face it the Cats will not get better by playing a UL schedule, but by playing a challenging one. Sure the SEC is a huge challenge but does Georgia shy away from a Clemson? To be the best,and thats what this staff wants and is aiming for, you got to play hard every week and you won’t by beating up on cupcakes.

  19. Bob Sugar
    9:45 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    A s*** directional or city school wins a game against an SEC school and instantly acts legitimate. UK owes these programs nothing. These programs should pray to almighty God UK agrees to play them.

  20. Football Genius
    9:53 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Kentucky should drop both Western and Louisville. We play the hardest conference in the Country so we have nothing to prove. We need to stack our schedule with four sure wins. We would be over halfway home to a bowl game and then need to only win two conference games to get there.

    It will take small steps to get this Titanic Turned, but Louisville built themselves into national contenders by playing only one tough game per year. That tough game being against us. Now look at their ranking and recruiting. If we can start another bowl streak then it can only help recruiting.

  21. ATB
    9:55 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    It is good for the state and the programs at the end of the day. UK hurting any of the schools they play’s SOS is just non-sense when looking holistically. I think the game should continue along with the UofL game.

  22. TrueBlue63
    9:55 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    The Truth: are you serious?! UK is the BEST game on UL’s schedule and at worst the SECOND BEST schedule on WKU’s schedule.

  23. Waddy Body
    9:57 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    I agree in principe with what you are saying but it wont work with western. Hats off to WKU. They have a ligit football team right now but they will not be a good gauge for long. Bobby P will not stay there long and they will not have great players like Jackson and Andrews. Western had the perfect storm for this game. They will not real competition over the long haul. Once our systems at UK getting going and players are in place the WKU game will be what it was meant to be, a guarantee game. If we want that keep them on the schedule, if we want real competition, look elsewhere.

  24. Katmandu
    9:59 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    23.) Western and Louisville should be “sure wins”. Should be?

    10:03 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Not if we have to play a game in Nashville. Makes no sense.

  26. SoCal Will
    10:15 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Doubt that Mitch wants an annual reminder that he passed on BP.

  27. rick
    10:15 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Beating WKU doesn’t mean a thing, they are not a good football team and Tenn will show you that this sat. So beating them doesn’t help Ky at all. I would resch. them any way.

  28. Drew Franklin
    10:18 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Cats by 40
    Three goggle

  29. Scott Baio
    10:19 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    15 – We only play 12 games, if the SEC adds a 9th game we would only have 3 out of conference games.

  30. asdf
    10:21 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Let’s not play WKU any more until we can be competitive against them.

  31. UK Blues
    10:38 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Until UK gets better, it doesn’t matter who we play. WKU beat us because they are better. Miami OH may beat us on Saturday. I would not even bet too much on the Alabama St. game. We are that bad…for now. But…things may change and change quickly. Let’s hope….

  32. UK and MSU Fan
    10:41 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Should UK play WKU again? Yes…eventually. Just as UK should play EKU and perhaps Murray State from time to time. But Western should NOT be a regular fixture on the UK schedule. UofL should be UK’s “barometer” game, and also gives the Wildcats the one non-conference game against a legitimate bowl-caliber opponent that virtually every other SEC school tries to build into its non-conference schedule. UofL is to UK what Clemson is to South Carolina, what FSU is to Florida, what Georgia Tech is to Georgia, etc. A Sun Belt school should NEVER be UK’s “barometer” of progress.

  33. goUKats
    10:55 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    The next instate program for UK to help build is Pikeville University.UK has helped UL and WKU realize their dream of gaining football prominence,now it’s time for them to help Pikeville.

  34. In the nick of time
    11:12 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    I want WKU, but leave the true freshman home.
    They cost us the game.
    Victory this weekend, then prepare for embarrassing blowouts.
    Get the freshman off the field.

  35. BluKudzu
    11:17 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Bobby P will not be there forever. I say play them, but get their AD who is not afraid to build a football program. WKU has success in sports against UK, obviously, why not get someone who will get us in a position to be competitive? What about Jurich? They beat us in everything.

  36. Tired of no name schools
    11:45 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    IMO I don’t want sit out in the heat/cold and watch UK play some no name school who in most cases is a guaranteed win. I want to see UK to play real schools. Cant we schedule the bottom feeders from the PAC/BIG 10/BIG12/ACC? I see no reason we cant do a home and home with indiana, duke, kansas at least.

  37. DC Cat Fan
    11:50 am September 4, 2013 Permalink

    We should keep them, on the condition that the games be split between Commonwealth and Nashville. While I know many will say that it hurts us to travel to Nashville and lose the home game; it allows those of us who don’t live nearby to fly to the game easily (LEX is not a fun flight), and in many ways its a pseudo bowl game atmosphere.

  38. The Real Smitty
    12:04 pm September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Make up your mind Matt. This post refers to Western as a rival “As a fan, and considering the last 2 years, would you rather gain revenge on WKU by continuing the rivalry” but your radio comments clearly dismissed the notion. Which one is it?

  39. ribin
    12:07 pm September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Schedule them — only at home — don’t go to the little stadium in bowling green and don’t go to nashville again — what a nightmare—

  40. John
    12:10 pm September 4, 2013 Permalink

    I (as a UK fan) cannot tell you how disappointed I am in most of these responses.
    We should be better than wku. Right now, we aren’t. We should keep them on the schedule to measure our growth.
    Most of you look like a bunch of p{}ssies afraid of wku and bp. There is a real good chance that bp will not be the coach at wku when they go to a bowl game this year. That excuse wont fly.
    I say we schedule teams that provide a challenge. If we can’t beat wku (and know that we can’t) and we schedule the Southwest Texarkana School for Telemarketers bc we know it is a win, then we don’t need to be in the SEC.

    We have a new staff, that has nailed it in recruiting, lets give them a chance to elevate this program.

  41. Dark Helmet
    12:36 pm September 4, 2013 Permalink

    WKU just got a home and (real wku home) with Vandy football. That matchup is what takes the place of UK. I think that’s more winnable for them eventually and wow SEC coming to BG. Hopefully WKU will meet in a bowl game – that would be a fun road trip.

  42. Dark Helmet
    12:37 pm September 4, 2013 Permalink

    *Meet Uk in a bowl game

  43. John Hardin
    1:31 pm September 4, 2013 Permalink

    BTI , you have to do a story on this:

    WKU football | Report says trainer fired after clash with coach Bobby Petrino

  44. klassact32
    1:57 pm September 4, 2013 Permalink

    No, we have nothing to gain by playing them except for the embarrassment when we lose.

  45. Cat scratch
    5:02 pm September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Drop them, No benefit in playing WKU.

  46. letsroll
    5:15 pm September 4, 2013 Permalink

    The WKU fans showed a lot of class,unlike ul ind,tenn etc Yes we need them back on our schedule thats best way to weed out lack of talent and coaching.

  47. Go Big Blue
    7:41 pm September 4, 2013 Permalink

    Drop them. Add IU back to the schedule. We played them for a long time and it was kind of a cool match up to compare the bottom of the barrel in SEC and Big 10. I love UK Football but we don’t need another in state rival. We have that already with UofL and it looks like they will be beating us for quite a while to come. Thanks Mitch! Mark how about putting your talents to work as a coach and field a defense??!! Joker did better…. Geeze! That game in Nashville stunk!