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Yahoo Reveals Three Kentucky Players in FBI Documents

For the first time since the FBI raided Andy Miller’s ASM agency, names of college basketball players have been revealed.  The latest Yahoo Sports report by Pete Thamel and Pat Forde features three players from Kentucky: Bam Adebayo, Nerlens Noel and Kevin Knox.

Adebayo is listed on an ASM balance sheet with the heading, “Loans to Players.”  Entered simply as “BAM,” one balance sheet attributes $12,000 to Bam; another states he received $36,500 and includes a “bad loan” annotation.  Adebayo did not sign with ASM.

On another balance sheet from 2015 that includes more than 50 names of former college basketball players, it states Noel received a $4,350 loan.

The only current Kentucky player in any of the documents, Kevin Knox, is not on a “Loans to Players” spreadsheet.  Knox’s name shows up in Christian Dawkins’ expense reports.  The agent sought reimbursement for meals purchased for a dozen players.  Duke’s Wendell Carter and Alabama’s Collin Sexton are other notable names in Dawkins’ expense reports.

“There’s nothing wrong with meeting with an agent,” Atlanta-based lawyer Stu Brown told Yahoo. “But then it becomes a question of who pays for the meal.”

Yahoo provided extensive documents detailing the exchanges between ASM and players, but they did not share the Kevin Knox expense report.

Read the entire Yahoo Report by Forde and Thamel to see the many other players implicated, starting with Dennis Smith Jr., Miles Bridges and Josh Jackson.

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Article written by Nick Roush

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133 Comments for Yahoo Reveals Three Kentucky Players in FBI Documents



  1. MattJonesNoseWhistle
    7:56 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    ?



  2. Shagaris Sock Puppet
    7:58 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    My only hope is this was all money promised to be paid back by players before they was to be drafted. If thats the case this would all be loans given to players after they decalred for the draft. But this is only some of the stuff, the FBI has a ton more. I always wondered how players were able to afford the suits and plane rides after they declare and are flat broke. Hopefully this is why.



    • schymad
      8:38 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Universities are authorized to provide suits to all players. Common practice for nearly all college athletic departments.



    • DelrayCat
      8:54 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Plus, not every player comes from a dirt poor home in the ghetto as is perceived in your mind. I’m sure many small lenders would also float loans to prospects knowing they would soon have the financial means to pay. Heck, look at how many college kids are able to get a new credit card with a $10K limit the moment they step on campus and see the Capital One booths set up.



    • Shagaris Sock Puppet
      9:03 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      When did I use the word dirt poor or ghetto? I just said flat broke, as in what college kid can afford plane tickets after not working and playing ball all school year? Quit acting like every player we get Cal doesnt tell a story about sitting in the living room and changing the out come of generational poverty? For every Devin Booker, there are 5 John Walls like myself, growing up with no father or money to pay electric bill. Hopefully these findings will show the NCAA that players should be able to market themselves and have things paid for in certain instances. Im no brainiac on the issue but what theyre doing now isnt working. All the NCAA wants is to show whos boss and frankly, they are starting to lose their grips on this thing.



    • Kyfan40601
      10:59 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      While in college they have a scholarship which is a “free ride” but how do they afford to have the things they have without parents that have millions? Student loans just about every player will apply for the student loan to help them through the 1 or 2 year college. Even if they don’t need it they still apply and typically get a good amount of money.



  3. nicky
    7:58 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Can’t wait to hear what MJ says about all this today….Him being an atty finally pays off 🙂



    • Jester
      8:01 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Ambulance chasing personal injury attorney isn’t anywhere near the same league as someone who would be retained to handle a real case involving federal investigations.



  4. Jester
    8:00 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Well that’s not good. But I dare any Loserville fan to try to legitimately compare this to what went on with their school and involved their coaching staff.

    A 17-18 year old kid is going to be hard pressed to say No to a slick agent offering him thousands of dollars or even offering to pick up the tab at a restaurant.

    That’s a huge difference from Pitino actively being involved in the corruption.



  5. shelby
    8:04 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Not good; however if no coaches or schools were involved, how will the ncaa react? If a sports agent meets with a player or player’s family and buys meals, gives loans or whatever, do the schools know? The agent doesn’t appear to be be working on behalf of any school, just trying to get guys to sign with his agency?? Gonna be interesting. If Cal is smart, sit kevin knox for remainder of season as it looks as though he is now an ineligible participant.



    • ukbradstith
      8:06 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Heck no don’t sit him. Why does it look like he is ineligible?



    • ballplayerstu
      9:27 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Don’t sit him unless told too…



    • DennyC
      8:16 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Ask Cal and UMass . . . Player meets with agent. School and/or Cal didn’t know. Final4 banners pulled and wins vacated. just a fact.



    • timbo
      8:29 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      For a meal? You’re ridiculous. Bye bye birdie



    • J-Dub421
      8:31 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      DennyC knows all about vacating wins.



    • antiquefurnitureandmidgets
      8:47 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      I think Bama’s Sexton sat out the first game of the season over the meal. I don’t think it’s a big deal. And what kind of a cheap agent doesn’t pick up the tab? He wanted reimbursement for a meal??



    • antiquefurnitureandmidgets
      8:51 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      I guess that was actually just for “expense report” purposes. What kind of an idiot keeps these kinds of records?



  6. mcp157
    8:07 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    How many similar situations, like Knox, occurred with players that went to Duke and North Carolina?



  7. mcp157
    8:09 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    How many similar situations that were similar occurred at Duke and North Carolina?



    • meeksfor3
      8:11 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      The question isn’t how many but will the NCAA do anything to Duke or UNC?



    • mcp157
      8:16 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      If they have a litmus test that a school must pass and discriminate between schools that’s when the lawyers have good fuel.



  8. Doug68
    8:12 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    What’s the point of having a dedicated Basketball AD (watch dog) if stuff like this is still happening? Hope this is nothing but it seems like it’s something.



  9. Smyrna_Cat
    8:13 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Surely ASM has a better accounting system than this.



    • dballrb
      8:45 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Perhaps that’s why Cal has been missing on alot more recruits these days..He’s not promising them as much,if any, $…unlike Duke..They gotta nose deep in the shiznit…



  10. JMFATZ47
    8:14 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Do we have to suspend Knox at this point?



    • BBNDan7
      8:44 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      No. Without Knox we aren’t making a run anyways. Might as well play him and hope that nothing comes from his involvement rather than basically give up the season



  11. mcp157
    8:15 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    As in the cases where Cal was busted at UMass and Memphis these are player’s actions, not the school or coach. Good luck with the NCAA sticking anything to us with this crap.



    • Jiminy Crickets
      9:21 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      In the cases of umass and Memphis Cal left clean, schools got slammed



    • ukjaybrat
      9:26 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      JC, haters don’t care about that.



  12. ukjaybrat
    8:16 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Ouch. the only one that stings is BAM. Knox having a meal is no big deal and doesn’t actually say the agent paid for knox’s meal. (we don’t have the whole story though).

    And noel could simply have received a loan leading up to the draft. Can’t really say otherwise, not that the NCAA relies on reasonable doubt.

    But BAM is clearly listed on that ledger as of December 2015 before he even enrolled at UK. That could wipe out a whole season if this goes any further.



    • ukjaybrat
      8:18 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      my real question is how did two morons from yahoo get their hands on a piece of evidence from a federal investigation



    • Peas and Carrots
      8:33 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Yea the Bam situation sucks and that looks legit. The only positive is that it looks like this was directly through an agent and Cal and UK were not involved.

      It’s hard to blame a 17 year old that grew up in a trailer with a single parent for accepting money from a shady agent.



    • ballplayerstu
      9:30 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      I agree..



    • Jester
      8:35 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      One of those morons is Pat Forde. Pretty sure he’s going to dig as hard as he can to find anything negative about Kentucky, and when he got a chance to view these documents he jumped at the chance.



  13. KYcats11
    8:17 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    After reading the full document, I am no longer worried. Yes, none of them should have excepted money. But, this money did not sure them to this school. It tried to lure them to the agent. How would the NCAA punish these programs when an agent is doing the dirty work, and they (possibly) have no clue. The problem is not necessarily the coaches, it’s the agents. Let everyone off the hook with this FBI Scandal, but promise the death penalty for the next school this happens to.



    • ukjaybrat
      8:19 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      maybe. but enes kanter received money for playing overseas and was inelligible. had absolutely nothign to do with uk



    • KYcats11
      8:59 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Yes, I understand what both of y’all are saying but… What a shame it would be for coaches and universities to get punished for something they had no involvement with. As someone else said, Dennis Smith and BAM were the 2 highest paid on the list, and both were recruited by nc state. Perhaps bad loan mean BAM went to the wrong school?!?!



    • Mathlete
      8:50 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Marcus Camby took money from an agent and UMass vacated a Final Four season…



  14. Howdy Doody
    8:17 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Matt will have a hard time fluffing this news. Once the NCAA starts sniffing around they usually find what they need to know. This is not good. I suspect it will lead to further violations.



    • ukjaybrat
      8:21 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      “they usually find what they need to know”

      no they don’t. the ncaa is a bunch of idiots. they just fill in the holes with what they want to believe happen. with unc and duke, it usually contains reasonable doubt and they get off. with memphis, they assumed the worst and drop the hammer.



    • BBNDan7
      8:45 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      DID YOU JUST SAY THE NCAA FINDS WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW LMAO



    • UK Big Board Update
      9:28 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Your banner is coming down, Howdy Doody. Let us worry about ours. 😉



    • ClutchCargo
      9:37 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      UKBB, that is not accurate. That banner already went down like a stripper in Minardi Hall.



  15. NcCatFan75
    8:20 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    I disagree with suspending Knox at this point. 80% of season gone already so damage is already done. We have no idea what NCAA will do here. Roll the dice and see what we get. We go nowhere without him



    • ukjaybrat
      8:24 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      i kind of agree. but on the other hand, what if we do sit him and make it to the elite 8. and then 2 years from now, vacate 28 games. we’d have an elite 8 appearance with only 8-ish wins on the season lmao.



    • BBNDan7
      8:46 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Ukjay- id rather roll the dice and hope with him. Without him we aren’t making any kind of run so I’d play him and hope for the best.



    • Look Out Fireworks
      8:25 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Qqif it truly was just one meal, more than likely he would just have to donate the amount to charity or something. Not likely he would be ineligible for one meal.

      However, the NCAA may want to make an example of everyone involved in this.



    • LouisaCatFan
      8:25 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      So what your saying is you lets dare the NCAA to do something.



    • NcCatFan75
      11:48 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      That’s exactly what I’m suggesting. As someone mentioned, as widespread as this is, the NCAA is gonna have one hell of a time separating the wheat from the chaff



    • DelrayCat
      8:59 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Because this report is SO widespread, I can’t imagine the NCAA declaring every team on this list to forfeit their season. Some sort of alternative punishment will be levied. Plus, it may take many months to sort out…easily going into next year.



    • ukjaybrat
      9:05 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      months? it took two years for stripper gate and they got caught pretty much red handed. and that was one school. this is dozens of school.s this will take YEARS



  16. scorpiocard
    8:20 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    OF COURSE uk players were named.

    Welcome to the party big brother!



    • ukjaybrat
      8:22 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      ah there are the louisville trolls.. .figured it was only a matter of time. let’s wait it out though and see what all comes of this before you pee yourself in excitement, shall we?



    • Al B. Frank
      8:50 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Yeah, three “one-and-done” players with no titles who got benefits to lure them to an agent for the NBA, not to the school (unlike the UofL situation). Not really the same party, is it?



    • ukjaybrat
      8:52 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      also, hookers… that’s a party of one, pal



    • ukjaybrat
      8:53 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      your boys will be lucky to not get the death penalty



    • UK Big Board Update
      9:29 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Havent seen you around here in a while. Enjoying your vacation?



    • J-Dub421
      10:12 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Don’t worry sweetie, U of L will always be the first college basketball program to vacate a title. No one can take that away from you.



    • scorpiocard
      11:10 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Well J Dub, it’s kind of like 1952-1953 uk basketball team being the first ever college program in ANY sport to get the NCAA DEATH PENATLY. You’re right. Good stuff huh?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)

      And now Cal will be the only college caoch to have wins vacated at three different schools!

      Wooo Hooo!



    • scorpiocard
      11:16 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Big Board stuff has gotten so crazy I got off all sports message boards. Even Card Chronicle. I just came today to be polite and welcome family to the party. I guess you guys can look forward to more, considering the infomration that was leaked today is only from one agent, and multiple agents are being investigated, not to mention the FBI is still investigating the info that they got from raiding Nike’s AAU offices.

      Guess we will finally find out for sure where that $200,000 that Anthony Davis received to sign with uk came from. Is your 2012 banner safe? lol

      I’m out. Have fun boys and girls!



    • J-Dub421
      12:36 pm February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Hookers. That is all.



  17. jahanc2uky
    8:22 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    All knox is guilty of is taking a meeting. There is no proof of the agent paying for Knox’s meal. Other players were given money by agents AFTER they declared. Our players know better.



    • Dustin Rumbaugh
      9:20 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      That’s what is confusing to me about the Knox situation. I write off lunches all the time on my taxes. Completely legit practice in the eyes of the IRS. I also notate each receipt with who I was with and our topic of conversation so that if any question ever comes up about the legitimacy of the write-off, I can easily explain. It doesn’t necessarily mean I paid for their meal. I could have just paid for myself and my staff.



    • ukjaybrat
      9:27 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      “There is no proof of the agent paying for Knox’s meal”

      … that we know of. remember we only have a sliver of the “evidence”
      i’m certainly not losing any sleep over this yet. but i’m not happy about it either.



  18. Look Out Fireworks
    8:22 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Well if this does lead to ineligibility of players, the one and done system will work to our advantage, as these guys were only here short term



  19. OHCat
    8:22 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    On a light hearted note, can we vacate our NIT appearance since Nerlons was named 🙂



    • ukjaybrat
      8:25 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      no. he only played half a season. so we will lose the games we won in the first half and keep the record of the shitty second half…



    • JTHinton
      8:28 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Lol that’s actually funny



  20. Howdy Doody
    8:23 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    NCAA President Mark Emmert released the following statement Friday morning:

    “These allegations, if true, point to systematic failures that must be fixed and fixed now if we want college sports in America,” Emmert said in the release. “Simply put, people who engage in this kind of behavior have no place in college sports. They are an affront to all those who play by the rules. Following the Southern District of New York’s indictments last year, the NCAA Board of Governors and I formed the independent Commission on College Basketball, chaired by Condoleezza Rice, to provide recommendations on how to clean up the sport. With these latest allegations, it’s clear this work is more important now than ever. The Board and I are completely committed to making transformational changes to the game and ensuring all involved in college basketball do so with integrity. We also will continue to cooperate with the efforts of federal prosecutors to identify and punish the unscrupulous parties seeking to exploit the system through criminal acts.”



    • KYcats11
      8:26 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      We will be behind Kansas if we have to vacate more than 20 wins.



    • JoeMoney333
      8:29 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Josh Jackson is in that article too. If we’re hit, Kansas is hit too. No reason to worry about that.



  21. chaser_rct
    8:23 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    That’s what I was thinking Smyrna_Cat



  22. Alleykat16
    8:25 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    So Knox will have to sit the rest of the year no way can he play anymore until this is straightened out and now what I want to know was these loans after the season or before coming to UK. And this pisses me off so much that these agents can’t wait until they leave a school and declare to the draft they know these families are hard pressed for money they wave this money in front of them and anybody that is dirt poor is taking that money I dont blame the kid its these sleezy agents



    • ukjaybrat
      8:27 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      with Bam, it is clearly before he comes to uk because the loan sheet says dec of 15



    • jahanc2uky
      4:36 am February 24, 2018 Permalink

      If they gave money to a family member, withouy Bam’s knowledge, is that a violation? Bam does not seem like the type of man, who would take $40,000 from an agency and then NOT sign with him.



  23. Howdy Doody
    8:27 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    [“I’m not accusing John Calipari and his staff of anything.

    But you know the perception of Calipari held by virtually everyone who’s not a UK fan. He’s been stripped of Final Four appearances at two different schools — he must be cheating, is what those who don’t bleed blue think.

    What you’re going to find as this FBI probe widens is that there are a lot of people associated with every basketball program involved who will be blabbing everything they know.

    You would, too, if you thought it would save you a few years in the federal penitentiary.

    So with that understanding, if Louisville or any other school ever offered $50,000 to a high school athlete and he ended up signing with Kentucky, you can bet there will be FBI agents roaming all over Lexington.

    And those agents will stay there until they find something. Anything.

    You’ve got to realize, taking down Pitino is huge.

    But taking down Kentucky and Calipari — there really aren’t words to explain the immensity of it.”]



    • KYJelly
      8:43 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      If you think the FBI cares about which schools and coaches they “take down”, you’re insane. They are taking down ASM and the implications might be that these schools get affected by some of the reports from players being paid. Again, Knox and Bam were not signed by this guy, so how would Cal know they ever received anything from him when they aren’t represented by him. Calipari probably didn’t know, it’s actually likely he didn’t



    • philbo
      8:45 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      If this widespread in basketball. You would think football too. This could take years for NCAA to resolve.



    • Jester
      9:11 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Isn’t it pretty much an open secret that buying players in college football is the only way to get things done? And on a scale that would make this look microscopic.



    • ukjaybrat
      9:38 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      and the ncaa makes virtually no money off college football. so they don’t care enough to police it unless someone gets caught red handed (Ole Miss).



  24. Strangeite
    8:29 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Unless Sandy Bell saw these earlier than yesterday, I’m guessing Knox has to sit tomorrow.



  25. LouisaCatFan
    8:30 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    If Knox has to set out a few games then Cal needs to set as well. Lets be honest this would be the third school that Cal has had transgressions, you can’t play dumb every time.



    • KYJelly
      8:39 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Read the column, our players weren’t signed with this Agent (maybe Noel was only, but who cares about vacating that season). They’re referred to as “bad loans” because they didn’t sign. So, Cal is recruiting players not represented by ASM. Look at the list of players, most of them we never were recruiting.



    • ukjaybrat
      8:43 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      “most of them we never were recruiting”
      or were recruiting and suddenly stopped.

      but none of that matters to the ncaa. precedence is if you take money you are ineligible. doesn’t matter if the school knew or not.



    • KYJelly
      9:45 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Wasn’t debating if they’d be ruled ineligible, was debating the dumb statement the original poster made about Cal needing to sit a few games



    • J-Dub421
      9:30 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Unless you’re Duke, then nothing happens.



    • Smyrna_Cat
      10:36 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      So Cal needs to monitor every so-called lunch? Did the dining hall give an extra cookie? Geez.



  26. Al B. Frank
    8:33 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    I hope we can get a statement from Cal today. KSR, please work on that.

    LouisaCatFan – did you read the full report? Cal is not names. Also named are UNC, Duke, Michigan State – Tom Izzo by name… etc. Stop being a hater.



  27. username
    8:33 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    You heard it here first, Cal to Lakers in Summer. With this horrible team, and finally news breaking of our involvement like most schools in under the table payments, Cal finally decides he no longer needs the headache of College Basketball and moves on. Book it.



    • ukjaybrat
      8:38 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      “With this horrible team”
      This team is not horrible
      Next year’s team is STACKED.

      so that’s just …. wrong



    • username
      9:46 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Ukjaybrat, you are correct, i should not have said this team is horrible, too emotional this morning. What I’m saying is that Cal is tired, and figured out that it’s exhausting to recruit top notch kids under this new dynamic in college basketball, he’s tired you can tell more than ever. The NBA has always been an option, and he was close with Cleveland, more than you know. The Lakers are the UK of the NBA, and they are a disaster right now, and need him. Forget the Ball family, and see a top notch Point Guard, and Lebrun looking to sign. Cal doesn’t need years of investigations now dragging him down more. I dont think he knew, and I honestly don’t think Rick knew as much as I hate Louisville. AAU, Agents, and shoe companies has been doing this for years, and it’s hard to track, but the reckoning is here. It’s a sad day, been a Cat fan for 50 years, but this is huge for our program.



    • Kevin C
      8:50 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      I don’t know about the Lakers, but I could definitely see Cal jumping to the NBA if this is a sign of things to come. I don’t think Cal would be involved in directly paying players, but I’ve never felt comfortable with some of the people in his “circle”, namely WorldWide Wes. It wouldn’t surprise me if Drake has “helped” Cal recruit guys to UK, possibly committing violations in the process.



    • ukjaybrat
      8:54 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      drake did commit violations. accidentally. and we turned them in and all is good. sandy bell was on it.



    • RackEmWillie
      8:58 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Cal doesn’t want the headache of college basketball, but is perfectly okay dealing with the Ball Family Circus? If I’m thinking about what I’d rather deal with, I’d rather be in college with all of the headaches that come with it than dealing with all of their crap.



    • ukjaybrat
      9:09 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      willie, haven’t you heard? ball said lonzo won’t resign unless the lakers sign his brothers. they might be leaving LA afterall /s



  28. KYJelly
    8:37 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    I implore all of you to actually read the article, cause it’s very likely that even if Kentucky gets punished, Kentucky it Cal either one could’ve had no idea. Notice some players listed as “bad loan”, those guys never signed with ASM. So Cal is recruiting kids not represented by this guy, how are you supposed to know they’ve received anything from ASM when they aren’t signed? You can say “well he should ask them”, but do you trust a kid to tell the truth if it means maybe not getting to come play for Kentucky? Doesn’t mean we won’t get punished and you can be upset about that possibility, but don’t jump to conclusions on hanging our staff out to dry.



    • Mathlete
      8:54 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Unfortunately, “bad loan” could just be how they coded an expense for paying that player. I’m an accountant, and if I were going to try to bribe players into signing with my company that’s exactly how I would code it.



    • ukjaybrat
      8:55 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      i’m not an accountant. i’m also not stupid. if i were to have an illegal* loan sheet, it would be coded and not use names like this one.



    • KYJelly
      9:47 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      This guy gets it.



    • Mathlete
      9:48 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      @jaybrat – ASM wasn’t breaking any laws that apply to them. They don’t really give a damn what the NCAA has to say, just the government, and loaning/giving money to players isn’t against any government’s laws.

      It’s “bad debt” because it never got paid back, which probably makes it a gift in the eyes of the NCAA, which makes it a problem for us.



    • ukjaybrat
      10:05 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      mathlete, true.

      i misused the word illegal. it wasn’t illegal, but it certainly wasn’t moral. and if they got caught would cause a lot of change and make what they were doing much harder or impossible. therefore, something you still want to hide. therefore, encode.



    • Mathlete
      10:13 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      “Ethics” and “morals” are swear words in sports agency. Plus, I doubt they thought these things would ever go public so why hide it? It’s like the web history on a computer you don’t share with anyone else, do you bother to make it hidden or bury it? Nah.



  29. JTHinton
    8:40 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Kentucky, Carolina, Duke, Kansas, Mich St, UL, Arizona, and a lot more that we don’t know yet or aren’t super-significant. Power 5 should break away from NCAA if this is 100% true



  30. They are Freshmen
    8:40 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Cal hates Andy Miller…



  31. RICKSVD
    8:43 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    If the coaches didn’t know, it will be a slap on the wrist and warning. Schools where coaches were involved, like louisville, they will be punished severely.



    • KYJelly
      9:49 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      That is how it should be handled. If there is proof of the coach working DIRECTLY with ASM, then there’s no way for them to use that alibi. There will be a lack of proof on the other schools, and again, the NCAA will not suspend all the schools involved, they get their money from March Madness and it would severely hurt them to do so



  32. kvltclassic
    8:43 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    NCAA compliance person here. It doesn’t actually matter if UK knew or not because once a player receives an extra benefit they are automatically ineligible. So if they played while being ineligible then any win could be vacated they participated in. The Kevin Knox thing may not be a big deal because it was for a meal. Agents can’t buy players meals but agents can certainly go out to dinner with players as long as everyone pays their own expenses so perhaps he was just seeking to be reimbursed for his meal with him (who knows).



    • ukjaybrat
      8:45 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      “perhaps he was just seeking to be reimbursed for his meal with him”

      that’s what i was “hoping.” but do you think the ncaa cares? they have shown a long history of ignoring “reasonable doubt” – maybe we will see if the meal was worth $50 or $500



    • kvltclassic
      8:52 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Certainly depends on how deep they want to go into this. Can they prove he bought Kevin Knox’s meal? Do they want to just take down the easy ones and ignore the ones with plausible deniability? Really just depends.



    • ukjaybrat
      8:56 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      regardless, i think this will change rules. do they change rules in favor of leniency and only go after the big dogs in this report? or do they go after everyone and then change the rules? who knows. i’m not losing any sleep over this, that’s for sure. i’m going to enjoy my team.



    • J-Dub421
      9:35 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      Then explain Corey Maggette.



  33. Jimi40
    8:45 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    If we are to believe “Yahoo” suddenly is privy to inside information being leaked from an FBI investigation (which would require its own investigation)…

    … its hardly necessary to bench Knox for receiving FREE meals from a rogue agent (Christian Dawkins) who is now asking for reimbursement of said meal or meals because Knox didn’t sign with him BEFORE he came to UK. This is a non issue. If anything its entrapment by the Agent.

    As for BAM & Noel, this was a “Loan” from Andy Miller’s ASM agency in exchange for their signature to sign with ASM, not UK basketball.

    Nothing to see here. Move along.



    • ukjaybrat
      8:48 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      “If we are to believe “Yahoo” suddenly is privy to inside information being leaked from an FBI investigation (which would require its own investigation)…”

      see i am more inclined to believe this info is true because forde and thamel both hate cal and Kentucky so if this crap was all made up, it would include more Kentucky players on better teams. not players from [statistically] our worst two seasons and Bam.



  34. dtcarty
    8:45 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    1)Let’s all remember who wrote this report (Forde).
    2)All our players that received money didn’t sign with the agent/school. So unless they can link it back to the schools, like Louisville, I really don’t see how this implicates Kentucky. Games could still be vacated and wins stripped but I wouldn’t think any punishment to the university would be in order.
    3)A dinner, is all they can get Knox on? I say play him. If we win and those games get stripped so be it, we aren’t going anywhere without him anyway.



  35. UKinIN
    8:48 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    People quit mentioning the FBI heading to Lexington. The FBI does not care about college basketball recruiting. The FBI cares about coaches accepting bribes to steer a player to an agent or financial advisor. This morning’s news is new to the NCAA but the FBI has had it for months or years.



  36. Peas and Carrots
    8:49 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Did anyone else see they met with Tom Izzo and “Villanova coaches” with Miles Bridges taking money. This looks worse for MSU than anyone right now. I didn’t see any Villanova players listed.



  37. bhb71
    8:49 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    First of all, this was just ONE agent. Idk if this is all the FBI intended to investigate, but I would suspect it’s not. Another shoe is likely going to drop, it’s just a matter of when. That being said, if this is it, I’m not worried. What Bam did may get last season vacated, but it doesn’t exactly look like this team is gonna make the Final Four this year, so we would have no banners come down as a result of this while everyone else is going to get smacked.



  38. RC
    8:57 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    This illustrates how challenging the current landscape is for Coaches. If a HS kid takes money from an agent, or runner, how is the Coach that’s recruiting him supposed to know? What if the kid hides the cash from his family? What if blows it on shoes and headphones?

    So the kid shows up at Power 5 Univ. and stays clean. How is the school supposed to monitor this?

    And why is the school held responsible for this?



    • ukjaybrat
      9:07 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      This is why i think rules will change. because it’s essentially Russian roulette when it comes to recruiting. The rules are in place because they don’t want schools getting off with plausible deniability (what Pitino has always tried to do). But in many cases, schools REALLY don’t know what happened. you going to punish them all? good luck finding 68 teams to fill a bracket next year.



  39. Bigsmooth88
    9:07 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Skeptic in me wants to say, did employee turn in bogus expense report for more income? It’s not like they’ve got a receipt to turn in.



  40. ballplayerstu
    9:29 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    I don’t see this being a big deal honestly. Knox had a meal paid for and repaid it id say. Bam, I’m not sure about. I don’t see this being a big deal. Go Cats!



    • Mathlete
      9:51 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      That’s not even Knox having a meal, it’s an employee of ASM having a meal with Knox and his family and the employee is being reimbursed for his dinner.



  41. tim
    9:31 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    This isn’t going to be good. Not saying Cal knew, but it really doesn’t matter. I just hope this doesn’t go any deeper. We have a lot of one and done’s out there.



  42. TB112162
    9:43 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Did Noel play for Kentucky in 2015 and something written on a piece of paper is proof of anything do they have bank accounts where money was deposited



  43. Waterview1
    9:45 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    This has the potential, depending on the NCAA’s reaction, to basically destroy the NCAA. If they try and make all these schools “vacate” wins and return millions of dollars they will receive a major FU from all the Power 5 schools. Emmert and friends may see this as a “moral issue” but it will be perceived as a massive power and money grab by an entity that is 50 years behind the times. It will take years and mountains of money to litigate this. The best thing for the NCAA to do is let the Feds play it out and punish those truly guilty.



  44. TB112162
    9:46 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    There is no smoking gun it’s a bunch of smoke is what it is with no fire



  45. Mathlete
    9:50 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    I, for one, would like to issue a hearty congratulations to The Little Sisters of the Poor Community College for their upcoming NCAA Tournament win. It looks like every other team in the NCAA will have to sit this one out.



  46. Buffalo Cat
    10:01 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Read the Yahoo story. This would affect every major program.



    • Smyrna_Cat
      10:38 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

      So Cal needs to monitor every so-called lunch? Did the dining hall give an extra cookie? Geez.



  47. Smyrna_Cat
    10:39 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Or it affects no programs. We will see.



  48. Booby Petrino
    10:49 am February 23, 2018 Permalink

    lol that’s all they have on UK players? Not worried.



  49. BigBlueNationDude
    12:47 pm February 23, 2018 Permalink

    Told u idiots. Matt ran his mouth and ran his mouth. Stupid