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DeAndre Williams’ mentor on UK: “They think they can show up [late] to the dance and steal your girl”

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Heading into the weekend, Evansville transfer DeAndre Williams announced his commitment to Memphis, choosing the Tigers over fellow finalists Arkansas, Baylor, and Kentucky.

Following the announcement, though, attention turned to the ongoing back-and-forth between Kentucky and Memphis fans and media members regarding UK’s true contact and interest heading into the home stretch of Williams’ recruitment.

Kentucky’s side argued John Calipari and the UK coaching staff backed off in Williams’ recruitment, while Memphis’ side argued it was a hard-fought win for Penny Hardaway and the Tiger coaching staff over the Wildcats.

Today, Williams’ former head coach and mentor Kenneth Roy joined the Jason & John Show in Memphis to sort through the rumors and clarify Kentucky’s side of things, where he threw multiple jabs at the UK’s recruiting tactics in the process.

He began with an analogy comparing Kentucky’s late arrival to Williams’ recruitment to a boy arriving late to a dance simply assuming he can steal someone else’s girl. Especially not the one and only Penny Hardaway’s girl.

“Once DeAndre hit the portal, [Hardaway] was there from the very beginning until the end. Kentucky came a week later. You have to look at it that way,” Roy said on the show. “They’re Kentucky, they think they can show up [late] to the dance and steal your girl. I guess they had another thing coming when it came to [recruiting against] Coach Hardaway. Coach Hardaway won’t [allow] no one stealing his girl.”

When asked about Kentucky potentially backing away from the table on Williams late in the recruiting process, Roy said those reports were incorrect, adding he had evidence the UK coaching staff was texting the versatile forward “until the very last day.”

“Do not believe any of the literature that Kentucky backed off. Kentucky didn’t back off no way, no shape, no form,” Williams’ mentor said. “DeAndre was receiving texts until the very last day about how much they wanted him. That’s just their spin that they’re putting on it. And it’s a shame they would have to do something like that knowing the stature of who Kentucky is. Hey, if they lost out, they lost out. They don’t need to spin it. We have evidence that they were in it right until the very end. I don’t know why they would do that. Are they ashamed in losing to Memphis?”

The frustrations also come from Kentucky failing to “play by the rules” laid out by Roy in Williams’ recruitment. From the start, the Evansville transfer’s mentor demanded all communication go through him, not Williams.

When Calipari and the UK staff began going straight to Williams and his mother – essentially cutting Roy out of the recruiting process – the coach and mentor was not happy.

“I look at it this way with Kentucky. Kentucky showed up a week later. We gave everybody the ground rules of how to play ball,” Roy said. “Kentucky, they started doing their own thing, dealing with DeAndre directly, not coming through me. … That played an important part, as well, because they didn’t play by the rules correctly. They thought they could go directly to DeAndre, they thought they could go directly to mom.”

Despite laying the “ground rules,” Roy spoke with Kentucky directly just one time.

“They only talked to me one time during the whole process. If I’m a part of the process, why do you think you can eliminate me and get the prize? That’s not going to happen like that. Why are you not talking to me? I’m a part of the situation. Kentucky, again, they didn’t play by the rules, they were in it right until the very end, and Memphis won out. That’s all I can say about that.”

At the end of the day, Hardaway’s pitch was “second-to-none,” something Williams and his camp couldn’t refuse.

“We went in and looked at all four programs, and we did the pros and the cons of each program. We did a process of elimination. What stood out, just head and shoulders above everyone, is how Coach Hardaway handled the recruiting process,” Roy said. “His recruiting process was second-to-none, and that’s what we loved about him and the program. I enjoyed the Zoom call we had with him and his coaching staff. He got to know us and who we are as individuals, between [DeAndre’s] mom, DeAndre, and myself. He wanted to show his genuine self, and that’s what took us from the beginning. … We couldn’t turn it down.”

To listen to the entire radio segment, listen below:

Article written by Jack Pilgrim

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70 Comments for DeAndre Williams’ mentor on UK: “They think they can show up [late] to the dance and steal your girl”

  1. dcforuk
    7:05 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    They can…….sometimes. Alabama has done it to us in football. UK can do it in basketball

    • jarred_combs
      8:47 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

      LOL, this dude is a 24 year old that hasn’t even started his junior season yet. Also, it’s funny for penny to run his mouth considering he doesn’t have a high school kid recruited for 2020 yet. I didn’t even know that until this stuff started. Also, I love when someone mentions they have proof but they don’t show any. I don’t mean it to make fun of the player because everyone is on their own timeline, but the more you read about him it’s clear why cal didn’t want him. A 24 year old going into his junior year, who didn’t want to compete for playing time with 18 year olds and wanted to go to a place where he could get up as many shots as possible, so he goes to a school with 0 high school recruits so there’s nothing in his way, all the while having a corrupt handler just trying to attach himself to the player. Also, this guy should dominate college basketball being 24 like he is. Imagine if an actual good player got to play college competition while 24. Heck Karl-Anthony Towns is just 24 and he’s been in the league how long, going on 5 years. He’d average 50 in college right now. And no offense, if you’re attached to someone like that hoping he’s your meal ticket that says a lot about the type of person you are. This is all just laughable, and the definition of punching down. Poor penny is likely to not have a job soon if he keeps “tearing up” the recruiting scene like he is and coaching them to underachieving seasons, while breaking NCAA rules and making players they hired him to get ineligible. Remember when there was a question how long Penny would be there until he undoubtedly ended up getting an nba job?

  2. UKCatAttack
    7:15 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    This mentor sounds like bad news. I know Coach Cal wants no part in dealing with “handlers”. He wants to deal with the player and the Mom. It’s a two way interview. That’s like having your handler show up for job interview on your behalf. This “mentor” thinks this kid is his golden ticket. That’s why we didn’t involve him and that’s why I’m sure Coach Cal is ok with this 24 year old opting to go to Memphis.

    • tncatrn
      7:38 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      Thats the thing…Cal has always dealt with Mom and the kid but this is no kid. Like u said 24 year old MAN. This mentor is keeping his hand in the pot for the payday if it comes. Guess somebody else needed some “moving money”…he needs to grow a pair and not oet his ego get hurt…but i wouldnt be surprised if Penny isnt driving this narrative

    • UKgrad80
      8:55 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      He forgot about the money that Penny offered him for moving expenses

    • T-Town Cat
      9:04 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      I guess we will just have to settle for Sarr.

    • desertCard
      8:00 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

      T-Town Cat if and only if he gets a waiver which is not in UKs favor at the moment. Then he goes pro. but there’s always 5pt Toppin.

  3. Wildfelinebeeline
    7:16 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    Memphis….the new Indiana. Beat their chest publicly? Check! Make outlandish claims? Check! Head coach a major tool? Check and check! Puck Fenny!

    • rosquirto
      8:46 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      Puck Fenny ?

    • rosquirto
      8:47 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      I actually put a laughing emoji there but it made a question mark. Anyway, I’m borrowing that for future use whenever Fenny acts up

    • T-Town Cat
      9:09 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      Lose 14 games? Check! Lose in the 2nd Round of the NIT? Check! Lose 10 games in the AAC with the #1 recruiting class in the country? Check!

  4. Bluebloodtoo
    7:16 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    Yup, don’t want none of those handlers. Totally agree with talking directly to the player and his family.

  5. dcforuk
    7:19 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    None story. Make Memphis be disappointed in how infrequent we really think about them…….seriously. We are not that insecure.

    • Wildfelinebeeline
      7:20 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink


    • bluebew
      7:28 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      Documented case of Kenny Roy’s own shady background, and unwillingness to “follow rules.” This is a TERRIFIC non-get for us. This will ultimately backfire on Memphis and Henny Penny.

    • nocode96
      9:41 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      The link is dead now. What did it talk about?

    • 4everUKBlue
      10:13 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      The link worked for me nocode. It talks about Kenny Roy’s shadiness, definitely need to read it.

  6. Lip Man 1
    7:20 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    I basically agree with you. Penny can get whomever he wants and they’ll still underperform.

  7. Bluehender
    7:30 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    He sounds like another LaVar Ball. I expect he will fade away…soon

    • Bluehender
      7:31 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      Kenneth Roy, is whom I speak of..

  8. sjperry54
    7:32 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    Sounds like somebody got his widdle feewings hurt and didn’t get to campaign for a new job with the big boys.

  9. scwhite9
    7:35 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    Who would want to be involved with this “mentor?” He sounds obnoxious.

    Let him beat his chest. We don’t play with folks like that.

  10. kellywjohnson
    7:35 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    Sorry we showed up to the high school dance late!! We were busy banging a truckload of Tri-Delts!

    • WKY Cat
      7:44 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      You win! BTW I’m married to a Tri-Delt. Lol!!

  11. magimae
    7:43 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    Just another nobody running his mouth about UK and Cal, who wanted Williams anyway, 24years old and still hasn’t found his niche in college bb.yet, no thank you

    • BobbyBlue
      8:18 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      As somebody said a transfer from a mid major to another mid major !
      I for one hope this is only on here because it is a slow time for sports news and going forward this is the last mention of Penney FedX Hardaway, his handler,and Williamson that KSR feels a need to write about.

    • desertCard
      8:04 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

      BobbyBlue or U Emery Air K?

  12. crazycatfan65
    8:05 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    He sounds like a scorn ex girlfriend

  13. Realme
    8:06 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    This dumb dumb sounds like he’s regurgitating what Penny wants him to say. Penny thinks the way to become relevant is to be classless towards all the programs that have no reason to pay attention to Memphis.

    • 57nukeduke
      7:10 pm May 21, 2020 Permalink

      He called him a girl,lol.

  14. King_tucky
    8:06 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    Why would we want him…his own mentor says he is a GIRL!!

    • chris gettelfinger is not walking through that door
      8:07 pm May 19, 2020 Permalink

      Lol. That’s funny.

  15. Wild Turkey 101
    8:18 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    Kentucky stole a better girl in Sarr and took her to the prom ahahahaha!

  16. JLP
    8:25 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    Why does a 24 yr old need a “mentor” to run his life? Maybe if he was a 17 or 18 yr old high school kid, but at this point he should run his own life with possibly the help of trusted advisors. You see athletes continually get burned when they turn their finances and decisions over to Handlers/Mentors/Whatevers. This mentor is not helping this man grow and learn responsibility. He should be on the sidelines ready to assist, and not in front of Williams trying to block access to him. Otherwise, Williams is going to need a “mentor” when he is 44… well maybe that is his goal.

    • Bluebloodtoo
      5:29 am May 19, 2020 Permalink


  17. 4everUKBlue
    8:29 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    Expect mashbum to show up any minute to bash Cal and UK fans, that’s who he is.

  18. big cat
    8:36 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    There’s an outward appearance that Memphis had an inward advantage.

    • Bruce Dickinson
      9:02 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      Penny was there from the beginning because he isn’t getting anybody to play for him. He is desperate.

  19. Bruce Dickinson
    8:45 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    This article makes me think that we dodged a bullet not getting him.

  20. Thetruthshallsetbennyfree
    8:53 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    So this kids old coach took money to let Penny bang him…that’s disgusting.

  21. Thetruthshallsetbennyfree
    8:54 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    He’s just mad we dump his daughter for the prom queen.

  22. UKFanSC
    8:56 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    He was really nothing more than insurance and a practice body. Yeah he might have found 7-10 mins a game, and that’s not what he wanted. Plus we have others at that position. The mentor is desperate for relevance.

  23. jlad
    9:10 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    Isn’t he like 30 years old? Why the hell does he need a handler?

  24. ClutchCargo
    9:20 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    So, Cal recruited the way he always recruits and a grown ass man’s “handler” gets mad and steers the player toward a dumpster fire of a mid-major program? Good riddance.

  25. Philthy
    9:32 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    Let’s check back in March and see how this worked out for both teams. I have a feeling we won’t be hearing much about Williams.

    • Bluebloodtoo
      5:32 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

      Keep in mind that this isn’t about Williams. He may be a great kid. His “handler” is the one running his mouth.

  26. DavenderCatTheSequel
    10:04 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    Kenny Bania is a better mentor than this guy

  27. JASUN74
    10:08 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    This recruitment loss is more on Jack (we backed off) Prigrim, than it is on Cal.

    • Jack Pilgrim
      10:47 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

      Uhh…. Kentucky did back off, this was never a loss for Cal. But if you want to believe this dude and the narrative Hardaway is pushing, go for it.

    • BBN4LIFE03
      9:53 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

      How would you be the reason they backed off? ?

    • JASUN74
      2:29 am May 20, 2020 Permalink

      Just trying to mess with you brother. Lol. Penny for Mayor! Hahaha. Honestly this Roy would’ve been enough reason himself to back off the guy. I just can’t get why Williams wanted some old man to pick his school for him. Ohh well on to the next psychopath!! . . I got your back Jack.

  28. friendsofcoal
    10:58 pm May 18, 2020 Permalink

    I think it’s a blessing that he didn’t come to UK. He might be a great player but with people like this guy involved we need to stay away from. They’re up to no good for sure.

  29. Daniel
    1:46 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

    Seems like he is sour because UK seemed to back off. The only reason to take cheap shot is because you got rejected.

  30. BeejeCat
    1:57 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

    Didn’t Jack mention in a previous article that Memphis is full up on scholarships unless DJ transfers?

  31. Irish son
    6:00 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

    A 24 year old needs a ” mentor “? When I was 24 I was married, owned a home and had 2 children. I did ok without a ” mentor “

    • UKFanSC
      8:22 am May 19, 2020 Permalink


  32. mrpokerchips
    6:16 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

    Can’t wait to see how this turns out. These things always do. We’re always skirting our way around bad apples.

  33. Trinity45
    7:46 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

    So he decided to go with the money.

  34. chrisblue
    8:02 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

    Easy to talk trash after all is said and done. UK has moved on from this kid, they should as well. Oh, wait a minute; kid?, he’s 29. Why does a grown man need a handler?

  35. Fitz
    8:43 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

    I’m really surprised Cal wanted Williams in the first place. His relationship with Roy is enough baggage but his academic issues also warrant concern.

  36. dave1964
    9:03 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

    This guy and his handler seem like drama bye

  37. VirginiaCat
    9:10 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

    A classless reaction, first by Williams, and then by his former coach. The fact that Roy’s “rules” required everything to go through him suggests that he was acting more like an agent than a mentor. If he and Williams were so enamored by Memphis, why didn’t he commit to them on Mother’s Day, the day that Roy said a commitment would be forthcoming? He says he has “proof” that Kentucky was pursing Williams to the end. Have someone not associated with Kentucky’s program call him on that. Bottom line: Kentucky is better off without Williams and his trash-talking agent.

  38. JGo
    10:45 am May 19, 2020 Permalink

    A lot of schools do that! its not something we just do. Get a grip coach. Matter of fact, I am sure that team your boy chose, has done it many times. So your boy chose another school. He chose. Not our loss. WE MOVE ON to find the right fit for our team……for OUR FANs.

  39. chris43
    1:00 pm May 19, 2020 Permalink

    Didn’t Penny have the #1 recruiting class last season? Pretty sure he did. They were also 21-10 with a losing record on the road and barely above .500 in conference. Yeah I understand the Wiseman situation but even without him that class was still top 10. All that talent and we’re NIT BOUND….congrats!

  40. WILDCATS1968
    1:08 pm May 19, 2020 Permalink

    I read the article about the handler that one of the posters linked. LOL, he fits right in with Penny. He paid for two recruits (just in the story) two move from other states to live in San Diego. The players where living in $2400 per month condos, one lived with his UNEMPLOYED mother in the condo. The one kids condo was paid for by a man in New York (the condo in San Diego), and he was associated with Roy as an assistant coach on a travel team Roy coached. Yeah, nothing to see here, just a star player and his unemployed mother moving from Oklahoma to Cali so his mother could find work, there are no jobs in Oklahoma. Kind of like Wiseman moving from Nashville to memphis and it only cost $12,000, that was a bargain.

  41. CatFanInLou
    1:45 pm May 19, 2020 Permalink

    Interesting that this story is developing as we learn about the Xavier Henry recruitment.

  42. RexRox
    3:39 pm May 19, 2020 Permalink

    Cal did the right thing. Don’t need this baggage for a marginal 24 yo.

  43. Han
    3:41 pm May 19, 2020 Permalink

    The “mentor” wanting everything to go through him, describing the player as a prize, and praising Hardaway the way he did all smack of the kind of things that lead Cal to back off a recruit.

    And many of those recruits later end up being named in documents surrounding scandals.