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Chad Ford says the Harrison Twins haven’t been getting the feedback they’d like from agents

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It’s Wednesday, which means it’s time for Chad Ford’s latest NBA Insider chat on ESPN.com. Because there’s little else on the minds of the BBN, Ford was asked several times about Kentucky players’ draft decisions, and had some mixed news to report. Ford says that the Harrison Twins have been talking to agents to see where their stock stands, but haven’t been receiving the feedback they’d like, which “might push them to come back”:

As for the Harrison twins, they’ve wanted to go to the NBA all season. I know they’ve been talking to agents and trying to figure things out. The challenge for them is that the feedback from the NBA hasn’t been what they want to hear — even with their strong play in the tournament. If they want guarantees they are first round picks, not sure either will get it. So … it might push them to come back. I think they could really help their stock if they played one more year in Lexington.

Ford added that he believes Julius Randle and James Young are likely to leave for the draft, while Alex Poythress and Dakari Johnson will likely stay, although he wonders if Willie’s decision to come back may “push Johnson out,” especially with Karl Towns coming in.

Read the entire chat transcript here.

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71 Comments for Chad Ford says the Harrison Twins haven’t been getting the feedback they’d like from agents



  1. the_ghost_of_ronnie_lyons
    3:17 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    “talking to agents”? Is that permissible? I know you aren’t allowed to to sign or take benefits, but is talking ok?



    • Kyle P
      3:24 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      You can talk to whoever you want, you just can’t sign with an agent or take money.



    • tyrus
      3:36 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Nazr Mohammed, if I remember correctly, did the same thing.



    • the_ghost_of_ronnie_lyons
      3:36 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Thanks, wasn’t sure how that worked……



    • Kyle P.
      3:44 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      I think they all pretty talk and gather as much information as possible. I see no reason why you wouldn’t. Use it to your advantage, ya know?



  2. DAKARI STOOPS
    3:21 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    Don’t they have to decide today??



    • TheLaw
      3:23 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Today is the NCAA deadline, but that doesn’t really matter. The NBA deadline is later in the month (I believe the 27th), they have to decide by then.



    • Kyle P.
      3:47 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      27th is the deadline for the NBA. The first deadline is set by the NCAA. In a nut shell, if you’ve stated you’re coming back to college before the deadline and after the 1st deadline expires, you CAN’T RETURN to school. Basically you can’t change your mind. So, that’s why they (most) will wait until closer to the 27th. At least, I believe I’m right, I could be wrong, but that’s how I read it.



  3. Paul
    3:21 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    “James Young is a good passer and 7 UK players will go pro” -Chad Ford



    • Brandon Schoenhoff
      3:57 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      That was Pat Forde I believe.



    • Nope
      4:07 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      No, it was Chad Ford. Do you honestly think Pat Forde could bring himself to write anything positive about UK or a UK player?



  4. lexslamman
    3:23 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    *Chad Ford shakes his Magic 8-Ball, then writes another meaningless piece of recruiting conjecture.*



  5. nerlens4prez
    3:23 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    Are they really not first rounders? I thought the guards class for this year was kinda weak and there would only be a few guards ranking ahead of them am I mistaken on this?



    • ukbradstith
      3:56 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Can’t see how they would be first rounders. Exum, Smart, Gary Harris, Tyler Ennis… there are at least 8-10 gurads that go before them. Plus 10-15 forwards and centers. Be tough for either of them to squeeze into first round.



    • bradsd
      12:12 am April 17, 2014 Permalink

      The last mock draft I looked at didn’t have them in the 2nd round either. I think they are concerned about their ability to guard anyone. I thought they improved on defense some as the year wound down but they are pretty weak defenders. I hope they come back but I am selfish. Truthfully though, I do not see how they could make it in the NBA right now but HEY,,,,,, I said the same thing about Goodwin.



  6. 1fan
    3:23 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    They need to come back. If they go this year i guarantee they both end up in the D league without contracts. One more good year in a weaker draft and they both make alot more money. Surely these guys and their parents are smart enough to see this.



  7. 8xchamp
    3:26 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    Its Chad ford so they probably told them they’d go 1, 2 in the lottery



  8. greginky
    3:28 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    I can’t believe that agents are not telling them what they want to hear. I thought that most sports agents are unscrupulous.



    • Chris
      3:51 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      If you were an agent, wouldn’t you rather get your commission on a much larger number? If they wait a year and are in the lottery, that agent gets a much bigger commission. If the Harrison’s have an agent picked out that they are working with, without signing anything, he’s likely looking out for their best interest and his.



    • Chicago
      4:32 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Good point, Chris. Why make a small commission this year, when next year’s could be huge?



  9. Stay Calm, I'm Coming
    3:28 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    There are a few players where I actually believe if they are projected late first to early second one year, that they can legitimately be lottery picks the next season. I could see the twins moving near the lottery next season if they choose to return.



  10. DAKARI STOOPS
    3:29 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    I really want to see what happens with this ridiculous frontcourt we have…..



  11. JaredCarterIsMyHomeboy
    3:33 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    Please, please, please come back.



  12. DAKARI STOOPS
    3:35 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    I will decorate my car to look like a VHS copy of Caddyshack 2 if they come back



  13. UKBlue1!
    3:36 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    They will get drafted in either the late 1st rd or 2nd rd. Does that mean they should go? Only if they are interested in doing what Teague has been doing for the last two years.



    • hoo ha
      3:42 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Making $1 million + per year for playing basketball? A 3-yr $3 million + guaranteed contract? Playing with and against the best players in the world?



    • Mc
      3:43 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      This article is somewhat helpful: http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciajessop/2012/06/28/the-structure-of-nba-rookie-contracts/

      2nd round picks aren’t guaranteed a contract so there is risk although they usually do sign a guaranteed contract. Row 3 is a good visual of what they may be looking at.



    • Mc
      3:44 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      *row 3 is the 3rd year for players. My bad. However, the concept is still there.



    • UKBlue1!
      3:52 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      I think they will make $ either way. But if they stay another year they both will be 1st round picks. Andrew has a chance to be a lottery pick next year.Teague had the great fortune of playing with great players. I think he could of used another year or two in college. Last years draft was bad and he would have probably improved his stock by 10-20 picks and be playing now instead of sitting.



    • ukbradstith
      3:58 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Hoo Ha, that is not what the twins will be getting more than likely. Next year they would both move up many spots and make more money in the long run.



    • bbr
      4:02 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Teague is “playing with” the best players in the world. He has a really good view of the best players in the world playing basketball. Secondly, $3 million dollars sounds like a lot of money for 3 years, but after taxes, paying an agent (a pretty hefty sum) and living the lifestyle of an NBA player there won’t be near as much left at the end of those three years as many people think.



    • bbr
      4:11 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      * “Not playing with”



    • cristoforoUK
      4:17 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Teague will be lucky to ever make enough money in the NBA to retire on. Is he living better than you and me right now? Of course. But his long term career is up in the air. I don’t think players like the Harrison twins go to the league with the hope of making the minimum and bouncing around from team to team.



  14. The Loco Pollo
    3:43 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    If they came back and played the way they did the last month of the season for an entire year, they will both absolutely play their way back to where they were projected at this time last year. The toughest part will be blocking out the noise and forgetting NBA talk but just focusing on school and b’ball for another year if they decide to come back.



    • Megan
      5:06 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      That’ll be a lot easier the second time around.



  15. stevem
    3:44 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    Ford’s conjecture isn’t even original. Who is this guy? He knows nothing more than the man in the street.



  16. Just maybe says....
    3:48 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    … if they come back they’ll spend way too much time worrying about how they’re playing to move their draft stock higher. I’m not sure that’s in UK’s best interest.



    • Face Palm
      5:20 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      ^ stupid comment.



  17. cracka
    3:49 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    something rarely brought up in the go or come back argument is leadership … especially as a pg

    i don’t think andrew stepped in as a leader from day 1 … we had willie back, we had “coach hood”, we had julius enforcing his will on the team, etc. if drew comes back, he’ll feel like a leader and will gain that leadership experience to take to the nba.

    i feel that’s important to nba success



  18. This is too funny
    3:50 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    You guys bash Harrell coming back as Pitino holding him back and being selfish because of course it was Pitino’s decision….

    Now when it is Willie, the twins, and these other guys it suddenly becomes “come back and improve your game another year and be a lottery pick” “what a great decision for Willie to come back, Cal is so great to these kids”

    Do you guys even know what the word hypocrisy means?? It’s like I’m taking crazy pills reading how differently you approach the EXACT SAME situation depending on if they wear a red or blue jersey. Harrell will be a lotto pick next year and made the right decision for himself, you clowns.



    • Heisenberg
      3:54 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Do you need some cheese with that whine?



    • UKBlue1!
      3:56 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Harrell is a top 15 pick, maybe top 10….Jack Wipe. The twins are not. Willie has only been playing basketball for 6 years? It is definitely going to help. Young and Randle are top 15 picks. Harrell staying is like Brohm staying for his Sr. year. Lets see how it works out. Hope, it is better for him.



    • Remove the Blinders
      3:56 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Harrell was a projected lottery pick. WCS was projected top 20, but wouldn’t have been able to showcase his skills prior to the draft due to his injury.

      The twins may not be first round picks which means they’re not guaranteed a contract. They have the size and ability to improve their stock. A player like Russ Smith was not going to improve his stock. His coach told him he’d run the point because he’d have to in the league, but he didn’t get to do so as much and bypassed going in a weak draft. His stock was going no where.

      The twins can improve their draft position.



    • Joe
      3:57 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Hey dumbass, we UK fans are laughing at you right now. Say what you want about Harrell, but Pitino sabotaged Russ Smith’s career. His draft stock would never exceed what it was last year. Pitino can recruit like he used to because kids know he is a LIAR and only cares about himself.



    • TAXman
      4:00 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      I see this all the time, people say you all are hypocrites because they see two differing opinions from different people among the same fanbase, and they attribute both opinions to ALL in said fanbase. Just stop it.



    • Big J
      4:05 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      You need to direct your scorn specifically at those who made the alleged comments regarding Harrell and Pitino and not the general fan base or even those commenting on this article, makes you sound foolish.



    • ukbradstith
      4:09 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Joe, Smith was a second rounder last year FOR SURE. He probably is this year too, so he ddin’t hurt anything. Plus he did play quite a bit of point this year. In fact, you idiots don’t even know where Montrezl is projected. Use facts when arguing, it makes our entire fanbase look stupid when you don’t know what you are talking about. I get sick of trying to defend the fan base of the team I love more than anything other than God and family, because there are a lot of hypocrites, just admit it and move on.



    • Mc
      4:21 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Harrell was projected near the top 20 and could have potentially made his way to the lottery depending on workouts. I have a strange feeling he’ll be in the same boat next season. There will be players the no one expects to move into the lottery, and there are some quality bigs with a larger skill set that are taller than 6’8 that will go ahead of him. Good for him for coming back especially if he likes being in college. I genuinely believe WCS likes the college experience. Maybe Montrezl does too.

      Russ Smith’s stock was going no where. It’s not that he didn’t hurt anything, he just wasn’t going to improve it. Also, he didn’t get to showcase his point guard skills like he needed too. The twins will legitimately increase their draft potential if they return and play like they did the last month of the season. Here’s a good read for you, some good facts in here:

      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20140306/russ-smith-louisville-cardinals-2014-nba-draft/



    • cristoforoUK
      4:22 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Every player is in his own unique situation. You can’t compare them. Sorry, but Willie and Montrezl are not in the same situation. Willie is actually making a pretty smart decision. Had he stayed healthy and projected as a lottery pick and made the same decision, then you have to question it. You need to compare Harrell more to James Young and Julius Randle in their situations if you are looking for something a little more similar. It just doesn’t make much business sense for either of them to come back.



    • Line beard Inc.
      4:46 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Rick told Harrell if he comes back he’ll make him a point guard next year….wait …..what? Oh Smith was told that last year, where there was REALLY a bad draft…….Maybe coach will get another tattoo on his right side that says……Opps My Bad!



  19. Steve
    3:54 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    So Willie may push Johnson out. Lol



    • Megan
      5:09 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      So how old ARE you?



  20. Jaydog
    3:56 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    Guards that may or may not go ahead of them in the draft: These are not counting the Overseas players… Where would you put Andrew and Aaron up against the list below?

    Marcus Smart
    Nick Stauskas
    Gary Harris
    Shabiz Napier
    Glenn Robinson III
    Kyle Anderson
    Zach LaVine
    Tyler Ennis
    Russ Smith
    Dante Exum



    • Mc
      4:01 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Well, it’s usually about team needs so it’s hard to say which teams need guards. They’d obviously go ahead of Smith since he’s undersized and played off the ball a lot. I’m not sure what position Kyle Anderson is going to be. Robinson III may also be a SF. Wiggins may play the 2 guard. Some people like the guard from Xavier, and also have Nick Johnson in there. I’d go Exum, Smart, Ennis, Harris, Stauskas and then the rest you can flip a coin.



    • ukbradstith
      4:03 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      I’d put them behind all of them, although they’d probably go ahead of Shabazz and Russ because of size. Throw in at least 12-15 big men plus the overseas guys, and the 1st round is pretty risky.



  21. LA
    4:03 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    if they all come back then next years team will have to go 60 and O. print them shirts up.



  22. stevem
    4:11 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    I always scratch my head at the “logic” some players use about not wanting to compete for playing time if they return to school, so they ‘ll go ahead and enter the draft so they can compete against pros. Huh?



    • raccoon
      4:32 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      There are two things at play. One is the development of the player and the other is financial. They are thinking about the second one more. It seems like it is hard to improve your draft stock if you don’t play. And on top of that you are not being paid or a year closer to being unrestricted. So if you aren’t going to improve your draft position you are better off from a financial standpoint if you just declare for the draft.

      From a development standpoint, I think it is better to be with a college coach and playing than with an NBA team (on the bench) or in the D-league on the bench. But is it better to be with a college coach and not playing than to be in the NBA on the bench or in the D-league playing?

      Ultimately it is a question of whether you can actually improve your draft stock. Doron Lamb was a guy who probably couldn’t. He had developed into pretty much the best college player he could be as a prospect. But Teague probably could have. Teague could have become a better game manager and passer with another year. Sure he looked good in 2012, but we all know that had a lot to do with having Davis and Co. around him.

      To me, the Harrisons look like kids who have shown the talent to be 1st round picks, but both still need to polish their game. I think they are better off doing that with Cal next year than in the D-league. And on top of that, the money ends up being better because they get guaranteed contracts.

      On the flip side, Young also needs to polish his game. But he is a definite first rounder/borderline lottery pick (better shooter and more athletic than Aa. Harrison). And he probably can only move up a few spots if he comes back. He will get a guaranteed deal and probably is good enough to avoid the D-league. For him, it makes more sense to go. Let’s not forget the guaranteed deal not only gives you the guarantee of money for three years, it makes the team invested in you so they will do whatever they can to make you a contributor. That is why it is so good that Teague didn’t slip into the second round. I’m not sure he would be on an NBA roster if that happened.



    • Mike
      4:35 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Answer: It’s about grabbing the cash while you can, playing time be damned.



    • Mc
      4:41 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      Raccoon is correct. This is why when Russ Smith returned I was surprised, because he was never going to improve his draft stock. If he does make the league, he just cost himself 1 year of pay over his NBA “work life”. Maybe Harrell will move up in the draft, maybe he won’t. I personally don’t think he will. I think he’ll be a top 20 pick next season, just like he would have been this season. WCS is in a tricky situation because his draft stock could slide since he can’t do pre-draft workouts. The twins are fully capable of improving their stock.

      I agree also with Teague. He was lucky he was drafted in the first round. Same for Archie. Time will tell how things pan out though. Lamb knew he peaked. I think Meeks did too. However, being able to shoot really well consistently (Aaron’s not there yet) is a nice insurance in making this decision.

      Each circumstance is a little different.



  23. Rex Chapman
    4:29 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    My sources tell me that Jalen Whitlow quit today because Andrew will announce tomorrow that he is quitting basketball to play football and will be named the starting QB by Stoops on Friday. Then on the Monday after the following Thursday it will come out that the twins were actually cojoined at birth but Aaron is actually not an American citizen, was a long time member of the Funkadelics, and that the #2 is a Satanic symbol showing his dedication to Lucifer. This will cost the Cats the entire 2014 season and that will be announced by the NCAA two Wednesdays from day after tomorrow. The Runner Up banner is coming down and that will happen on June 14th at 3:30PM. Take it to the bank. I have confirmed this with Pat Forde, Jeff Goodman and Chad Ford. So its a done deal!! No BS.



    • Dee W.
      10:17 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

      “that will be announced by the NCAA two Wednesdays from day after tomorrow.”

      LOL!



  24. UKsportsBigMARV
    4:43 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    That was my question asked in his Chat! Marvis in Louisville.



  25. I hate UKsportsBigMarv
    4:50 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    he’s lying, he stole my question. It’s mine!!!!!



  26. Heres My List
    4:54 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    2014 Guards Entering Draft:

    Jordan Adams, Kyle Anderson, Jabari Brown, Jahii Carson, Jordan Clarkson, Tyler Ennis, Gary Harris, Rodney Hood, Nick Johnson, Zach LaVine, Glen Robinson III, Marcus Smart, Nik Staskas, T.J Warren

    There are 10 guys I would take BEFORE the twins…

    2015:

    In the 3 main mock drafts the most guards in the 1st round is 5… Emanuel Mudiay, Tyus Jones, Kelly Oubre, Wayne Selden, Mario Hezonja

    Who I take DEFINITELY over the Harrisons:

    Kyle Anderson, Jabari Brown, Gary Harris, Rodney Hood, Glen Robinson (will have to play guard), Marcus Smart, Nik Staskas and T. J. Warren (will likely play guard) still….and its really not close



  27. Line beard Inc.
    4:55 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    I’ve thought long and hard about this…….Rick should get a tat of a tear running down his face……..For he has killed so many careers of his players that went here, he should be considered a mass murderer.



  28. Seriously
    5:15 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    The contract is for 3 years the money is only guaranteed for two The third year is a team option. I am
    A UofL fan but any decision the twins or any other play makes has to based on what they and their family feels is best. Remember Cal told Teague to stay and he was correct. Rick told Deing to go and he was correct. Russ was a borderline decision a 50 50
    call at best. Statistically Russ improved in every single
    category and was an all american so I don’t think you can say he made a bad
    call. I think judging how well someone is going to improve from
    One year to the next is dangerous based on a 5 game stretch. For 23 plus games they were both average ball players in a league that was poor minus a couple of teams. I would be surprised if they go much higher in the draft next year. They may be the case where they should
    Ride there high stock now versus seeing if they can improve. It is possible their stock could go down if they have the same regular season with no magical tourney run.



  29. Juan4UK
    5:34 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    Chard Ford, typical. Check out the differences in what goes into the decision for Jabari Parker, then com compare to Randle’s right after that. (very beginning of the transcript.)
    for Randle its “Don’t really see any reason why he’d stay. He’s a Top 6 pick.” ; of coarse for jabari Parker, he is truly torn, wants to stay to play with friends, intensely emotional….yada yada yada



  30. Cal
    6:07 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    Will we see the first no-freshman starting 5 of my time at Kentucky? Would also mean that 5 (4 freshmen + Lee) McDonalds All Americans come off the bench + Hawkins.



  31. UK Freshmen
    7:24 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    Ho boy. After this year, they’ll be absolutely intolerable next year.



  32. katdaddy
    9:45 pm April 16, 2014 Permalink

    Come on back Fellas and win a National Championship!