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The SEC’s Manifest Destiny

Boom!  History term on the Fourth of July!  That was for you, MaconVolFan.  I hope you love it.

When the United States rose from tiny upstart to dominant world power, the idea of manifest destiny was a heavy player.  In the neverending quest for television dollars and exposure in college athletics, it’s kind of the same game.  And according to John Adams (that’s an Independence Day name!) of GoVolsXtra.com, the expansion conversation is exactly what the Southeastern Conference should be looking into.  The rest of the world is doing it.  Why not them/us?

Adams says it’s time for the SEC to expand to 16 teams and suggests adding Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Oklahoma State from the Big 12 (or whatever it is now) and Florida State from the ACC.  They would bring the history and fairly consistent success desired on the football side of things and the deep pockets, potential and Kentucky head coaching ties needed on the basketball side of things.  All in all, Adams says it’s a nice marriage.  And it’s one that would keep the Southeastern Conference as the most dominant football league ever assembled.

So what do you think?  Does the SEC need to look for new members?  I’m all for it.  As The Statue of Liberty says, “Give me your Sooners, your Aggies, your huddling Cowboys.”  Or something like that.  Share your thoughts below.

Go America.  Go Cats.

Article written by Thomas Beisner

37 Comments for The SEC’s Manifest Destiny



  1. Coffee table pizza
    1:41 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    ichi-ban!!!!



  2. SEC 16
    1:48 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    are you telling me that the big 12 (now 10) is going to go to 7? they might as well make that the old southwest conference. tamu, ok, ok st, fsu, would be great. But we can’t welcome this as cats fans until we’re on top. why not mix tradition with up and comers. how about ucf they have the student body and they’re headed towards the top. obviously we wouldnt do this now they would need more success, im just saying. So 12 going to 16? I’d say UCF, and maybe one more up and comer and then try and buy two or three from this list (clemson, georgia tech, florida state, tamu, oklahoma, ok st, baylor, mizzouri). baylor or oklahoma st would be great because we have to think about basketball too.



  3. KyKid
    1:52 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    Well, sure it would make the SEC better, especially in football. But we aleady have a hard enough time winning in football so I’m not sure that helps UK much there. And besides, we already have the most dominant conference in football. Might be good for basketball, as the conference has taken a dip of late.



  4. Ed Tussey
    1:54 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    I don’t know if that was a “tongue in cheek” suggestion but adding more teams to the SEC may be the only way UK football will ever make it to the top in the conference. We could be ranked number 10 nationally but then we have to play the top 3 or 4 teams in the nation who are always in our conference.

    Recruiting for UK is like pulling teeth…..we get the leftovers by Georgia, Florida, Alabama, S. Carolina and Tennessee. We need more teams in the conference that are on our level…..wins would equal better recruiting. Get’m Joker



  5. Dacci
    1:58 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    I like that selection for 2 reasons, 1) its makes geographical sense. 2) those are both decent bball programs as well.



  6. jaygee85
    2:08 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    id def. like to add a few teams but i dont see oklahoma coming over here and being barely a top 5 football school when they are up for conference championships every year in the big 12. I would like to see the SEC add Memphis, if they are gonna be an elite b-ball school, coming to an elite conference would be a great start, and add one to two up and coming schools from teams like UAB, UCF, Clemson and Utep, etc. I would def. like to add the bigger name teams like Florida St., Oklahoma St., Oklahoma, and Baylor I don’t see it happening



  7. StatueOfLIbertySpokesperson
    2:10 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    The Statue of Liberty doesn’t say that!



  8. rob
    2:15 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    The SEC needs to add FSU, Clemson, GA Tech, and one of Miami, UofL, Memphis, OU, TA&M. The schools need to make sense geographically and athletically (that is, be on a similar plane in football and basketball).



  9. Shawn
    2:25 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    U of L would never join the SEC. There football team would get murdered and Ricky Three Stacks would likely kill himself at the posibility of having to lose to Coach Cal 3 times year.



  10. UKGoBigBlue
    2:28 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    The SEC isn’t going to add teams especially Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Oklahoma State which have no reason to leave the Big 12. Conference USA is a joke, and we don’t want them. There are no teams in the Big East worth even mentioning for football especially SEC football so that’s out. The ACC powerhouses in football & basketball have no reason to leave because they dominate their conference.



  11. Eky-ukfan
    2:30 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    You gotta look at what Oklahoma would lose the natural rivalry with Texas. That game uaually determines the BCS berth. There is no way the Sooners come to the SEC. Also, if I’m not mistaken the last time the conference expanded they tried to get Fl. St. And Miami to join and they said no thanks. A top tier team from another conference won’t be coming to the SEC.



  12. Ottocat
    2:36 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    Basketball success doesn’t factor much into the equation. We all love Basketball – but TV for Football coupled with academics is the key ingredient. Basketball will be fine scheduling OOC unless they screw around and have a 22 game or so Conference schedule.



  13. Opti
    2:39 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    The SEC is made up primarily of large original 1862 Land Grant Universities (Kentucky, Florida, Georgia, LSU, MSU, Tennessee, Auburn and Arkansas). The exceptions either are arguably either the dominant Universities in their states (Alabama, So Car & Ole Miss) or in one case, the best academic member who is a charter member (Vanderbilt) of the league. When I look at the potential candidates for membership, I look first at schools that match the existing membership. They have similar missions, followings, traditions etc. Land Grant institutions that border the SEC include Clemson, Texas A&M, Missouri and Oklahoma State. Oklahoma would be the dominant school in that state, so they could be the exception to the rule like Alabama, Ole Miss and South Carolina are already in the SEC. Oklahoma State would be tied together with Oklahoma…joined at the hip. Bottom Line is any 4 of the 5 match the SEC but Texas A&M, Missouri and either Clemson plus one other school or the two Oklahoma schools are the best fit for the SEC both in their academic and athletic profiles and traditions.



  14. markp
    2:41 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    Florida State maybe, but adding OK State and Texas AM makes it a really long car ride for away games, maybe retake Georgia Tech and close it up. By the way who from the BRAVO network designed those nasty football uniforms.



  15. boyd crowder's bible
    2:52 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    FSU won’t happen. UF would never vote them in. doesnt make sense for them to.
    USF has better chance, is still a FL school & a big TV market.
    clemson & gatech are best options. but doubt big rivals vote them in.
    any school in texas is good option. tcu, tamu, baylor, ttech.
    big problem is other SEC schools have to vote them in.
    can we please stop with the “we have think about basketball too” idea. that’s dumb. 2 teams in BCS fball games equates to like 30 mill+ alone for conf.



  16. The Internet
    3:01 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    The goal of any SEC expansion is two fold.
    1. To bring in new high-profile members
    2. To Expand into new Television markets.

    So the targets will be schools from states where there currently are no SEC members. Additionally the SEC would want to attack recruiting and TV rivals from the Big 12(10), Big 10(12), and the ACC.

    Oklahoma and aTm make sense because you kill the Big 12(10), move into the Texas TV and Recruiting market, and plus aTm wants to be here.
    OSU on the other hand does not make sense from any standpoint unless it is required in order to bring OU. They marginal academically and we would already own their market with OU and aTm.

    FSU is in the same boat as far as markets go. We already have the Gators in the sunshine state, plus FSU had their chance to join in the 90s and turned their back on the SEC. Today, FSU need the SEC far more than the SEC needs FSU. Miami is less desirable than FSU in that it brings nothing new except for an exciting, but long road trip. They don’t even have a following in their own city.

    So the to reach 16, the SEC will need 2 more teams. You will likely want to target the ACC and BIG 10(12) markets to expand you television footprint. So you are left with schools like Missouri, Pitt, WVU, Va Tech, NC State, and Clemson as possible candidates that would fit the description.



  17. Dave
    3:11 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    Not what UK Football needs. More teams by which to get clobbered. Fewer bowl games.

    But, it would help UK Basketball as all of those teams pretty much suck in most years but have decent reputations. lol



  18. CAUKFAN
    3:20 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    Oklahoma?……Texass?……seriously?



  19. The Internet
    3:22 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    Texas is not coming. aTm wants to come.



  20. BShively
    3:26 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    The SEC should think big. Add all of the remaining Big 12 teams (10) with the center piece being Texas (make no mistake about it, Texas is the gold standard of college athletic departments in terms of revenue and profitability, got to have Texas). Add 2 more teams (take your pick from the most profitable teams or ones in the largest TV markets). The idea is to create a 24 team mega conference. Details for conference divisional alignments, playoff systems for revenue and non-revenue sports can be worked out later. Mike Slive, don’t let Texas get away, act now.



  21. Greg P.
    3:27 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    Anyone who would suggest Loserville to the SEC is no friend of mine



  22. INKYfan
    3:30 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    Kentucky should be an INDEPENDENT, that is all.



  23. Goldust
    3:31 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    I’m all for adding ass to mouth



  24. Seminole Fan
    3:41 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    I am not for FSU coming to the SEC unless Miami, Fla can tag along. It only seems right to have the Hurricanes, Gators, and ‘noles in the same conference. I say add Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas A&M, Florida State, and Miami and allow South Carolina to go to the ACC to have a natural rivalry with Clemson.



  25. wldctky
    4:00 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    I think Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, and Memphis would be the better options… that would give current teams some natural in state rivalries!!



  26. Mr Schwump
    4:13 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    26. L and Memphis? Really? SEC will shoot much, much, MUCH higher.



  27. Easy
    4:42 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    Hell I thought we were going to talk Tubbyball seeing that Mule train …………



  28. flemingcountycat
    4:45 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    If you actually read the link you see the writer is proposing the SEC leaving the NCAA. With that in mind, any mention of expansion should be directed at capturing the largest available tv markets. Think Dallas-FT Worth #5, Houston #10, Tampa-ST Pete #13, Atlanta #8, ST Louis #21, or Charlotte #24. Schools like TCU(Dallas), Texas A&M(between Dallas, Houston, and Austin), U of Missouri( ST Louis), and South Florida(Tampa-St Pete). The largest markets currently in the SEC are Atlanta#8, Nashville #29, Greenville-Spartanburg #36, Birmingham #40 and Jacksonville #47. If the SEC expands, it isnt going to give any consideration to basketball, nor should it. Football and bowl games are gold and that will be the determining factor. Uk b-ball will always be fine, esp. with calipari at the helm. I dont think adding Mizzou, Texas A&M, TCU, or USF is going to hamper UK’s rise in the SEC, it will only serve to elevate its recruiting in those new markets.



  29. beef
    4:55 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    GOD WE WOULDNT WIN ONE GAME IN THE SEC CONFERENCE FOR FOOTBALL



  30. Parsons Is Still Gay
    4:57 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    You are the Beis-knees of predictions. Most excellent prediction! It’s a no brainer that the Texas Longhorns are going to bolt in the near future….they have their own deal now. Grab the best that’s left and rock on!



  31. Really?
    5:15 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    First of all, I don’t think the SEC needs to expand at all.
    But if it happens, I would like to see Texas and Texas A&M added to the West and Clemson and Florida State to the East. Each school now only brings in money and tradition but also rivalries into the conference which would also generate money.



  32. FOOTBALL MAN
    5:51 pm July 4, 2011 Permalink

    The SEC is already the best football conference in America we don’t need ’em…. The Big 12 will add 2 teams to make up for Nebraska & Missouri leaving. Last year we beat South Carolina & took Auburn to the wire. If they can keep getting athletes we can get to where we all want to go = SEC Championship game. I don’t want those other schools messing it up.



  33. Cat fan
    1:29 am July 5, 2011 Permalink

    FSU, Miami, GTech, Memphis, Clemson. The rest are too far away.



  34. Rockfield, KY
    11:29 am July 5, 2011 Permalink

    I say they go after one Texas school to open the market up (TAMU), Va Tech for the same reason, and then 2 of either Fla St., Miami, Clemson, and Ga. Tech.



  35. CHagen
    4:16 am July 6, 2011 Permalink

    Whats an aTm?



  36. Bubba in Glenpool
    11:29 am July 6, 2011 Permalink

    As a member of the BBN currently residing in Oklahoma, I’d love to see the beatdown each year handed to these two schools. I’m all for it! Also, to everyone that has stated bringing in Texas to the SEC, have you seen their TV deal? No idiot AD in the right mind that doesn’t have to compete with that (because they are already in the same conference)would willfully welcome them to the SEC. All the members of the Big 12 should be searching for somewhere else to play and may Texas an independent like Notre Dame since there’s no way they will be able to compete with them money-wise! It will never be a level playing field for any of them. Keep Texas out and bring in A&M, OU, and OK State as well as FSU or Miami.