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Steve Bartman’s Wednesday News and Views

On October 14, 2003, Cubs fan Steve Bartman attempted to catch a foul ball in the eighth inning of Game Six of the National League Championship Series.  The Cubs were ahead three games to two and were holding a 3-0 lead with one out in the inning.  Following Bartman’s interference, the Marlins would score eight runs in the inning and would close out the series with a pair of wins over the long-suffering Cubs, launching Steve Bartman onto televisions everywhere as the unassuming villain.  I have not given this game a second thought since then.  ESPN, though, made a little documentary and aired it Tuesday night, much to the delight of every national media member or blogger you probably despise.  It might be wonderful (most 30 for 30s are)  and it’s most likely, at worst, worth watching, but you can count me out on pretending to care about the neverending whining one of the nation’s douchiest fan bases.  Besides, I watched The Bluegrass Miracle in person.  That was suffering.

A few notes…

 – If you missed it earlier (and I’m not really sure how you could), Mitch Barnhart chatted with Matt on that fine radio program of his.  Mitch touched on a handful of subjects, but really got the party started with a bang when Matt asked Barnhart about the rising frustration among fans with a start that feels a lot gloomier than 2-2.  Mitch put on that administration hat and answered things as diplomatically as possible, but made it clear that he was indeed frustrated with how the football team has started the season.  He tempered that by pointing out that there was a lot of talent to replace this season and said Joker Phillips is trying to find a way to get guys to play more relaxed, which should help them avoid the mental errors and sloppy play.

 – Throughout the conversation, it seemed pretty clear that Barnhart was supportive of his head football coach, saying that some of the restlessness comes from the world we live in, where “people want it now and if they don’t get it, they’re ready for the next thing”.  That was presumably a reference to the more frequent bellows from fans to look in a different direction for a head coach.  Barnhart referenced the streaks that the school has broken in recent years, dismissing the way fans sometimes downplay them when criticizing the program, and said that he’s been around enough successful football programs over the past 30 years to know if something is working.  He said he knows “what it takes to move the needle” and said that while he’s not looking for a specific win total this season, he is watching closely to make sure players are developing, young players are improving and leaders are being made.

 – The elephant in the room for the past week or so has been the comments made by former coach Rich Brooks criticizing the lack of investments in the football program and saying that there were things promised to him that still have not been fulfilled nearly two years after he left.  Barnhart did not dance around the issue of Brooks’ comments, but made it abundantly clear that he had tremendous respect for Brooks and did not want this to become a he said-he said fight.  However, Barnhart disputed at least one portion of what Brooks said when he revealed that IMG actually approached him about a new basketball arena and he said he would not have that conversation unless football and baseball also received upgrades.  Brooks had said the basketball plans came later and derailed the football upgrades.  However, Barnhart did agree that the football program needs certain upgrades to their facilities, but questioned where that money would come from.  He pointed to UK’s lack of suites at Commonwealth as potential revenue and questioned whether the state has the financial base to fill them up even if they existed.  Long story short, no good news coming in the near future it seems.

 – ACC and SEC

 – Mitch wasn’t the only one talking conference expansion as basketball coach John Calipari shared some of his thoughts with ESPN’s Andy Katz.  Cal said that he believes the SEC will still expand and even went as far as to throw out a few schools that could be nice fit.  Here’s a portion of what he said:

“I don’t think this stuff is done yet,” Calipari said. “I’ve said for months that there may be four conferences with 16 or 18 teams each. But I can tell you that the SEC at 13, 14 or 16 is going to be stable. We’re fine. If they’re going to add, I’d like us to go and get Virginia Tech, Maryland and Missouri to go along with Texas A&M. We’re not going to do anything at the expense of academics. You’re also going to see basketball step up in the next five years in the SEC.”

Coach K spoke up a few weeks ago about conference expansion, as did Syracuse’s Jim Boeheim.  But Cal is a little different.  When he says things – especially to Katz, who is essentially his default PR rep – there’s a reason.  Cal doesn’t just talk to talk and he’s not wildly reckless in anything, so there’s probably a very specific reason why those three teams were named.  I’d pay pretty close attention to them over the next few weeks.

 – According to Alex Kline of The Recruit Scoop, UK coaches stopped by Brewster Academy to check in on Mitch McGary and TJ Warren.  Cincinnati and NC State also made appearances at the school.  Warren, a four-star small forward, has been mentioned more and more lately as one of the players likely to end up as a UK commitment and will attend Big Blue Madness.  There were some reports Tuesday night that McGary would as well, but they have not been confirmed.  Would be a nice little addition to the lineup though.

 – The Kentucky coaches also did a little work without having to travel too far when they stopped in to see Jackson Davis at Lafayette.  The 6’8″ small forward is the son of former Cat Jonathon Davis and, according to Rivals, is getting looks from Cincinnati, Purdue, Indiana and Louisville.  The four-star player (by ESPN) took an unofficial visit to UK last month and is rated as the 43rd-best player in 2014.

 – While laying the ultimate guilt trip on UConn, former UK coach Rick Pitino again referred to UK as “Camelot”.  Pitino’s exact words were that the Huskies potentially leaving the Big East is the “dumbest thing” he’s ever heard, which is bad considering he’s had conversations with Derrick Caracter, and added this: “With that being said, how can you want to leave? Why would you want to leave? My biggest mistake I made in my life is when I left Camelot [Kentucky]”I’d like to elaborate, but I can’t stop thinking about how much more amusing it would be if we pronounced that “a” differently in Camelot.

– Your parents warned you when you were younger that life isn’t fair.  This is a great example.  CBS’ Gary Parrish talked with former Tennessee assistant coaches Steve Forbes and Jason Shay, who are living a very different lifestyle than their ex-boss, Bruce Pearl.  It’s a little tough to feel too sorry for the two coaches, but it does paint a pretty crazy picture about how their lives changed so drastically after Bruce Pearl’s BBQ shaming, while his remains on fairly solid ground.  Plus it includes one wife complaining about Brandy Pearl’s Facebook status updates, which is an added bonus. 

 – Good news for fans of ugly sweaters everywhere:  Kyle Macy is rated higher than Eric Bledsoe on NBA 2K12.  Macy is on one of the classic Bulls rosters.  He rates out as a 66 overall and Bledsoe is a 65.  Other players of interest:  John Wall is an 82, Patrick Patterson is a 72 and DeMarcus Cousins is a 71.  The rookies are not included since they’re technically not NBA players yet.  Damn lockout.

 – There’s a lot going on in Lexington this morning.

 – Rays.  Red Sox.  Final day of the season.  Let’s finish this off.

That’s it for now.  Make sure you stick around all day as we get your first day of Big Blue Madness camping started with a bang.  Matt will get the day started with Kentucky Sports Radio at 10 am on Talk Radio 1080 and the fun will only continue from there.  If you’re going to be camping out, make sure you share your supplies with Drew Franklin and stop by the Kappa Kookout behind Memorial Coliseum.  The girls from Kappa Kappa Gamma will be selling hot dogs, nachos, cotton candy, sno cones and drinks with the money going to the American Cancer Society.  They even sent this picture for those of you who don’t think food and charity is a good enough reason to participate… kappa-kappa-gamma

See you in a few….

Article written by Thomas Beisner

56 Comments for Steve Bartman’s Wednesday News and Views

  1. tdogg4033011
    12:59 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    SexnNursinHomes ….. you still gonna get me BBM tickets???

  2. Jtbolingbraa
    1:02 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    I go to school with jackson. Strange guy… Very… Butttt the good news is hes 6’7 and dominates city ball!!

  3. Ryan
    1:16 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Those 2K12 rankings are absolute garbage. How in the world is Patterson ranked higher than Cousins. And the rookies are not on the game? Then what makes the game worth buying?

  4. Tyler Durden
    1:30 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    I’d love to go to that seminar. That would be bad azz.


    (ron paul 2012)

  5. Lincoln park
    1:45 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Douchiest fanbase?! I’m 100% a UK fan and Cubs fan 2nd and having read random comments from varying posts of yours for the last 5 yrs and even before you joined this site, how can you possibly say that about the cubs. Have you read the comment section of any one of your posts ever? Uk fans are all idiots. Yup. Even douchie. ‘We’ (Cubs fans) pack the stands no matter what. Uk football!?? Ha! I was there last Saturday for my first game in 5 yrs. it was really ‘douchie’ . Go back to Tampa.

  6. Lincoln park
    1:57 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    That being said, GOOO CATS!!!

  7. sluggercatfan
    5:14 am September 28, 2011 Permalink


  8. BlueJ
    6:11 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    I don’t get when mitch and others say that we had to replace a lot of talent from last year. Last years team was not that great either.

  9. Walden Schmidt
    6:19 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Pronouncing the “a” differently in Camelot, only Beisner could come up with that. My friend, you have a sick mind. But evidently, so do I for thinking that is the funniest thing I have heard in a londg time.

    Pronouncing the “a” differently in Camelot. Great line.

  10. Mitch - dumb or blind
    7:12 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    I get it that Mitch has to sound supportive RIGHT now… But if he doesn’t truely understand that we need to go in a different direction than with Joker, then WOW. He is either dumb or blind. What talent drop, didn’t Joker put out the “Couch, Woodson, Newton” line? Newton isn’t talented enough to be Couch’s waterboy, no lie.

  11. Axe Cop
    7:15 am September 28, 2011 Permalink


  12. mitchdoesntcare
    7:31 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    maybe mitch needs to be on the sideline the next two weeks and see if we” moved the needle” what a clown

  13. Just Saying
    7:35 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    7. what people do not want to hear is that UK just spent twice that on a brand new hospital, which just opened. However you like to look at it, UK has spent their money on the UNIVERSITY of KENTUCKY while Louisville sold their soul to corporate America and spent all their money on athletics, the rest of the school is crumbling and UL hospital is getting bought out by another comapny because they are broke!!

    And do not confuse UL building the Yum Center with Louisville building teh Yum center. They raised taxes and the city put up the funds for that project, UL is just the primary tenant. The city of Louisville (metro) is THREE times bigger than Lexington, so while UK may bring in more money by the fans than UL, their out of pocket expenses are higher, and thankfully so

  14. STEVE!
    7:43 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    13 – I don’t mean to speak for #7, but I think the point is that Jurich and UL got it done, regardless of where the money came from. Mitch’s job is to get it done, but he apparently has no fund raising, people, or political skills to get the money, so what is the purpose of having an AD that can’t raise money for the facilities the athletic department needs?

  15. markp
    8:01 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Mitch screwed up with Billy and the clock is ticking on him with Joker. That would be two major mistakes in your two biggest sports. I say if Joker is allowed to screw up the hard work of Brooks getting us back to being respectable, then fire both Barny and Joker. I don’t buy this lack of talent/funds BS. If we don’t have better talent now than we do who’s fault is it? Who was the head recruiter Brooks’s last couple of years? Of course it was Joker and he should have been able to get better players when Woodson and company where beating the likes of number one LSU. The current problem is not players, it is coaching. We will be lucky to be 4 and 8 this year. Our program is going downwards fast.

  16. markp
    8:03 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Mitch screwed up with Billy and the clock is ticking on him with Joker. That would be two major mistakes in your two biggest sports. I say if Joker is allowed to screw up the hard work of Brooks getting us back to being respectable, then fire both Barny and Joker. I don’t buy this lack of talent/funds BS. If we don’t have better talent now than we do who’s fault is it? Who was the head recruiter Brooks’s last couple of years? Of course it was Joker and he should have been able to get better players when Woodson and company were beating the likes of number one LSU. The current problem is not players, it is coaching. We will be lucky to be 4 and 8 this year. Our program is going downwards fast.

  17. markp
    8:06 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Bartman, Barnhart is there a difference? One cost the Cubs a pennant, the other is allowing Joker to ruin a football program.

  18. Porcino's
    8:28 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    STAY AWAY FROM DOWNTOWN LEXINGTON. Holy crap traffic is beyond idiotic. 30 minutes to get from MLK to Limestone???? SERIOUSLY?????

  19. OneAndDone
    8:29 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    FU Beisner. Cubs fans are very similar in loyalty to UK fans…. douche

  20. OneAndDone
    8:31 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    And how does it feel to be on the Rays bandwagon? I’m sure you’re a life-long fan…

  21. CawoodAndKeightley
    8:37 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    17 – Bartman cost the Cubs a pennant? Sorry, this Bartman crap is as dumb now as it was in 2003. Yes, he should have stayed out of the way and let Alou make the catch. But, how many other times have we seen fan interference at a baseball game? And how many other people would have reacted the exact same way as Bartman in that situation? The fact is that the Cubs choked, as always. They gave up EIGHT RUNS in the 8th inning, then proceeded to lose again (at home) in Game 7. Bartman was just the scapegoat for the Cubs fans and their “cursed” organization. The Cubs are not cursed, they just normally suck. And when they do have a good team (like 2003), they find a way to choke. I guess UK football is “cursed”, too. I’m a UK fan, but the fact is that UK football normally sucks (like this year). And when we do have a good team, we find a way to choke (usually against Tennessee).

  22. Harry Dunn
    8:43 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Beisner turrible comment about Cubs fans. Loyal as it gets.

  23. Tom Baker
    8:44 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    You compare “The Bluegrass Miracle” to the Bartman Game? That alone should be enough to have you banished from KSR forever. Can someone tell me why it’s called “The Bluegrass Miracle?” It wasn’t a miracle to me – we lost! What about “Boneheaded Bluegrass Play of the Decade.” It’s not a miracle when you lose. With UK football it’s only a miracle when you win. Furthermore, it was a rather meaningless game between two, at the time, rather meaningless teams. The Bartman situation and game was *far* more meaningful.

  24. Harry Dunn
    8:47 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    BTW, Alex Gonzalez is the goat.

  25. GoCats2
    8:48 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Normally I would take Beisners side in any argument but I have to agree with most of the comments about Cubs fans. They are the definition of sports fans, fanatical about their team no matter what. That havent won anything in OVER 100 YEARS! Name another organization that hasnt won anything in 100 years and I gurantee they do not have any fan base.
    Also, I know it is improbable for a fan to affect the outcome of a basketball game but if a UK fan ever affected the outcome of a UK tourney game they would be extradicted from the country.

  26. lexslamman
    8:50 am September 28, 2011 Permalink


    Lexington could use a better public transit system – downtown in general should be a more walkable area, and parking should be taken off the streets and arranged around the perimeter of downtown in lots or underground garages.

    It would be great if R.J. Corman ever got that commuter train into Lexington off the ground, I’m sure plenty of people would ditch the South Broadway/Nicholasville Rd/Tates Creek/Alumni/Richmond Rd. commutes if there were better options available.

    Cars should be for fun driving, not the struggle to get into town to work, watch games, or bar hop.

    But I digress. That is a lot of blondes in that picture up there – are we sure they know how to barbecue?

  27. Al's IndiCats
    8:51 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    New Stadium….New Basketball arena….we’re talking a gazillion bucks here, and actually there’s only two places that has that kind of money. OPEC and China! Lets sell our souls to the middle east, for the the grand opening of the Saudi Arabia Sand Stadium, and the Beijing Basketball Arena.

  28. SexnNursinHomes
    8:56 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    1- when does BBM tickets go on sale?

  29. Al's IndiCats
    9:01 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Looking at the picture, I’m wondering if M.Jones would buy a Jalapeno cheddar Braut from them at 9 in the morning?

  30. GummyBear
    9:11 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Cubs’ fans are douches!! yes, they fill their stadium, but only 1/3 of them actually pay attention to the game. This state is filled with Cubs fans who are only fans b/c Storer Cable came to town in the 80’s with WGN. The Reds and Cardinals were never on TV and the Braves absolutely sucked.

  31. Ben
    9:14 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    The Colts new stadium cost 768 million to build. Lexington needs to build a stadium like that for football and basketball and then look for a pro football team. Think big Lexington and one day you will be bigger that Louisville! You have to plan for where you want to be 30 years from now. Go ahead and spend 900 million and put this issue to bed.

  32. guest 1
    9:14 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    17. How can anyone say Joker ruined the program? When was it good? Almost all teams go to a bowl these days. Winning one more game than you lose a year is not good.

  33. Ben
    9:22 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    I got the impression from Mitch that he is still hoping for a 6-6 season and a bowl trip. That is pretty much all he can do for now. He will have to deal with the issue at the end of the season! If KY is 3-9 or 4-8, then Mitch will have to decide if he gives Joker another year and what his expectations are for that year.

    As fans, we are lucky because with basketball, all this goes away until next year and we have the option to ignore it. Mitch has to live with it each day and one day he will have to make the tough decision! I’m glad it’s Mitch and not me!

  34. JohnnyPikeville
    9:34 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Okay I try to not bash the writers on this site b/c they bring us all so much info and joy……but Beisner…..are you friggin kidding me? Douchey!!! I’ve been a Cubs fan almost as long as I’ve been a UK fan and you are way off-base here pal. UK will always be first and foremost but I grew up a Cubs fan and will die a Cubs fan. In all actuality I see a lot of similarities between true Cubs fans and true UK fans love and undying devotion to their teams. In both instances I will be a fan until the day I die! I will go to each team’s games, I will watch on TV, and I will support them through thick and thin! That’s the meaning of a true fan.

    In all actuality I have been around both fan bases and I will say this with no disrepect to the majority of BBN: there is a signifigant amount of the fan base that jumps off the UK bandwagon anytime things aren’t going right! Are those the people that frequent this site? Of course not, why the hell else would we be on here everyday but everyone on this board cannot tell me that you don’t know people in the fanbase that just conveniently seem to stop “caring” when the chips are down in football and basketball! How many have you heard from or seen this football season? How about during the Billy Clyde years? I had own members of my family piss me off to no end in the way they conveniently jumped off the bandwagon until Cal arrived and they were “conveniently” once again card carrying members of the BBN!

    In contrast I went to UK and went to school with quite a few other Cubs fans and I don’t know one of them that has ever given up on the Cubs, no matter how miserable the last few years have been. I’m not saying Cubs fans are better or more loyal but I will say that I can see a huge contrast between those groups of people.

    And you want to talk about Cub’s fans being douchey or whining?!? Do you really want to go down that road? Like someone said above there’s no way to really envision someone doing something similar in a basketball game…..but if they did and it cost us banner #8 or even just a chance at banner #8….let alone if we hadn’t won a National Championship in over a century….what do you think UK fans would have done to that person? I’m not saying that makes it right and I’m not even saying I blame Bartman! I was pissed about it for awhile but the person I was really pissed at was Alex Gonzales who’s terrible fielding didn’t get us out of that inning immediately after the “Bartman Play”, but don’t act like UK fans wouldn’t have acted the same way if something similar happened in a Final Four Game. I’m not ragging on UK fans, I just know what would have happened and you do too! Look at the way our fanbase treated Michael Porter. The poor kid had no choice but to go out there every game and play a position he couldn’t play and our fanbase crucified him for it! Look at the hell that kid caught. Are you telling me our fanbase wouldn’t treat their own “Steve Bartman” the same way?

    Beisner you’re alright but you are way off-base here and you have to know you are! Rant over.

  35. FatCat
    9:35 am September 28, 2011 Permalink


  36. BilLDozer
    9:37 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Cubs fans are losers in what they did to that guy. Thats the North for you. I dont like the Cubs bc they are the second largest bandwagon fanbase behind the Red Sox. Everyone wants to be a Cubs fan…very cliche.

  37. Ben
    9:38 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    #32 Joker was in charge of Operation Win and the Rise campaign! He is the one that set the expectations on SEC Championships. He was part of the KY teams that went to 5 straight bowl games.

    He talks about Championships and he will be Lucky to win 3-4 games this year. Joker has hurt this team with His mouth and not backing up on the field his words. No one made Joker do this and he alone is responsible for his actions.

    Everyone that I know was pulling for Joker to succeed! The reality is that something is wrong with this team, that started about the middle of last year and culminated in the bowl game. We were told that things would get better this year and things have appeared to have gotten worse.

    People are rightly concerned and Joker has done nothing to alleviate these concerns. We can’t keep doing the same things and expect different results. Frustration is at an all time high.

  38. BilLDozer
    9:42 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    #34…the UK fans would never treat Porter like they did Bartman. I know that for a fact bc they didnt. If they did then I missed that game where they threw beer on him, cussed him out, Porter got his own security, moved out of town, dealt with death threats, etc.

    Fact is that the Cubs fans that treated him that way and still treat him poorly are flat our LOSERS in life.

    Beisner just doesn’t like the Cubs, I don’t really care because its baseball. Hard to follow anymore.

  39. Jax Teller
    9:54 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    I think the Pitino quote may have been misconstrued. The author reported him saying “My biggest mistake I made in my life is when I left Camelot…” but there’s more to it than just that. Pitino continued by saying “My biggest mistake I made in my life is when I left Camelot East with the boys. We went to the Solid Platinum, a complete dud. The ladies were fine at Camelot East, and we left for the lunch buffett C-team. It was terrible. I knew after 15 seconds this wasn’t the place for me, but the boys wanted to hang out for another 20 minutes until Cinnamon finished on the main stage. We rolled out from there and went to grab a bite to eat at Porcini’s. It was there I met one of the most beautiful women I had ever seen. The rest is history.”

  40. JohnnyPikeville
    10:00 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    #38 Brother I’m not saying they treated Porter that bad and to that extent, I’m just saying they totally mistreated that kid the way they booed him and the things that were said in the stands. I know I was there in the stands as it was happening. I know they didn’t throw beer at him, hell you’d have to be able to buy a beer in Rupp to do that. But in all seriousness I was just using that as an example. Not all of the fanbase but a big part of the fanbase made that 20-21 year old a scapegoat for all the hell that we were going through and there again I know it’s true b/c I was in the stands for some of the games they were doing it.

    On to your second point I never would have and never once acted in the way that percentage of Cubs fans did so I hope you’re not clumping me in with that statement. I wouldn’t call you a loser in life b/c of your opinion. I also wouldn’t say all Cubs fans are bandwagon fans. Hell I don’t even know how that works when you have a team with a history as miserable as the Cubs. If I was a bandwagon fan I’d go cheer for the Yankees b/c that would be a hell of a lot easier.

    We talk about Louisville fans calling all of us dumb hicks b/c we’re UK fans and lumping us in as dumb hicks when we’re a whole lot classier than them and their effing line beards and flat-billed hats….but how is you lumping me and real Cubs fans into what you think any different. I’ve been a Cubs fan since I was 4 years old b/c I grew up watching them with my grandad who tought me about baseball. Hell I remember one of my last memories with him was sitting in a hospital in Pikeville with him watching the Cubs play a meaningless 15 inning game against the Giants til 2 in the morning one night. Go ahead and tell me how that makes me a bandwagon fan.

  41. anthonyeppsdrivingschool
    10:06 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    34. Your entire post is confusing. Define jumping off the bandwagon? First, we do not have a football team to really root for, so there is no wagon. Second, fans cried out for the firing of Billy G when they had facts that he was an awful human being, and did not jump off the bandwagon because there is so much die hard support the team. Do you get sunlight or news in pikeville? I wonder….

  42. JohnnyPikeville
    10:11 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    42. I define jumping off the bandwagon by the empty stands and fans that stop caring. There’s a difference in wanting a change and when you stop following the team, which I’ve seen happen plenty of tims over the years.

    And to answer your other question I’ve got a newspaper and plenty of sunshine over here in the office of the business that I own. Anymore smart comments chief?

  43. bung
    10:14 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    mcgary could be the next issel

  44. fat jesus
    10:17 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Cubs fans are the worst!! thank you for pointing that out. they’re whiney and want to blame their terrible city/team/franchise on an effing die hard that would have done what we all would have done!!! and take alou w you

  45. Just Saying
    10:33 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    14. I gues you do not get it either. UL is the highest profit team in AMERICA, they have a city with THREE times the population with which to draw taxes from, and while UL expanded thier football stadium, the CITY built the Yum Center with tax payer money. Therefore NO UK does not make the money, nor have the resources that UL does even though our “fan base” is bigger. Add in the fact UK spent twice as much building the new hospital and the money is not IMMEDIATELY there.

    Look at it this way. You make more money than your neighbor, and you decide to remodel your kitchen. Immediately after the renovation, your neighbor buys a new car. Just because you make more money, doesnt mean you have the budget to buy a car immediately after renovating your kitchen. But your wife sees the new car every parked their everyday and bitches until you decide to take out a loan to buy the car. Thats what UK would have to do to build a new arena.

    Now if the wife (fanbase) is willing to wait a year or tow, the budget will allow serious looks at renovation, or building new. But while UK built new schools for medicine, and pharmacy, and a brand new state of the art hospital, UL renovated their football stadium and allowed thier hospital to go bankrupt and get bought out.

    I HATE Mitch Barnhart but if anyone thinks UKAA is setting on $400 million in the bank, and just refuses to renovate CWS or build a new BB arena, you are dreaming!!!

  46. Chris Carrier
    10:36 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    “…neverending whining one of the nation’s douchiest fan bases.”

    Cubs fans are TRUE sports fans. Go after Lakers fans, Dallas fans, Yankees fans where fans drop off when the wins don’t come. Good grief, you just don’t like the Cubs, but “douchiest?” This post just brings down KSR a notch.

  47. stone
    10:37 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    beisner, only one of the douchiest writers on this website would criticize a fan base that overlaps very obviously with the people who frequent this website. but perhaps you just know your audience and know that you can call them douches and they will continue to read your douchy columns. which i guess makes them douches anyway.

  48. JohnnyPikeville
    10:38 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    #47 Thank you. Couldn’t agree more.

  49. surely you get it
    10:40 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Im hoping people understand the fact that UKAA does not get to keep all the money they generate. It goes to the school and the general scholarship fund. So all the money football makes, does not go back to football, but it does a ton more than just go to soccer and rifling teams, it goes to the general fund to build and maintain the entire campus and its scholastic needs. The KFund money goes directly to athletics (there is a huge difference), and Im sorry to break anyone’s bubble but the KFund is not all that impressive in terms of revenue compared to other schools of similar size to UK.

  50. anthonyeppsdrivingschool
    10:58 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    42, I’m not an Indian. Cubs fans might be the biggest bandwagon fans in all of baseball… well, the fans outside the state of Illinois. I would assume many people follow the Cubs (when they are actually good)in Kentucky because of the lack of a decent professional baseball team in cinci.

  51. Kanter Banter
    11:01 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    If the comments made by Barnhardt doesn’t show he’s not capable of being the STATE UNIVERSITY AD, I don’t know what will. He’s not qualified. His sole purpose of his job is to generate revenue and get the BEST coaches for the program…not just basketball but ALL sports. Regarding the stupid comment about financial base…..he has luxury boxes now at commonwealth…..add more idiot. You may have to use a tier scale to sell all of them…but not to do it because you “THINK” you can’t get $100,000 a year off each is plan stupid. I’m in business and a very large business….I can assure you, a aggressive campaign by UK athletics to corporate Kentucky and you’ll sell the boxes. Makes me sick seeing a man keep his job when he’s unqualified.

  52. Kanter Banter
    11:05 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    45…Yum Center was financed as well. You know nothing what your talking about……EVERYTHING at UK is financed as well as UL. Its about generating REVENUE and paying for the financed projects. I

  53. fat jesus
    11:17 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    not defending the beez but you can label every fanbase as such. The fact that cub fan wants to waller in self pity and have the whole concept of loveable losers or love us cuz we support a loser is dumb.

  54. guest 1
    11:18 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    #37 What is Joker supposed to say and tell his team and the press…hey guys we are probably only going to win 3-4 games this year? They were trying to generate a buzz around the program, which you need. Guess what? Every year, every single coach in every sport is going to say they expect to be competing for a championship, and there is going to be a marketing campaign behind it. I understand some of the frustration, but don’t act like he is says anything different than any other coach before the season.

  55. STEVE!
    11:29 am September 28, 2011 Permalink

    45 – I know what you’re saying. UKAA can’t pay for the new facilities themselves. Neither could UL. What I’m saying is that Jurich was able to pull together the local support and private boster dollars to overcome that and build what he wanted. Mitch has not shown the ability to raise money for anything. He has been lucky with the Coal boosters funding basketball upgrades, but he personally has accomplished nothing.

  56. blueinmemphis
    6:04 pm September 28, 2011 Permalink

    Hey, don’t forget the Cardinals! Remember that a lot of Kentucky fans, particularly in western Ky, are huge Cards fans. And some are probably even Braves fans.

    Why waste your breath on the Cubs? And the Reds are back to suck-o after their one year run.

    How ’bout this site do at least a LITTLE supporting of a consistent winner in MLB that has a lot of support from the UK fanbase?????