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Should we be upset about last night’s “upset?”

Remember last time we played Notre Dame? Terrence Jones went off for 27/17. That was awesome.

Is anyone else surprised by the number of headlines touting Notre Dame’s “upset” win over the Cats last night?  Last I checked, they were favored to win; now after the fact, suddenly it’s an upset?

It’s flattering that some folks would call it that, and it’s flattering that the Irish would rush the court after winning a game in which they were favored.  Silly, but flattering.  But as members of the BBN, can we really be shocked at what happened last night?  There are a few people in the college hoops world who seem to think that the thrashing in South Bend was par for the course:

Mike DeCourcy

This is what was supposed to happen. … The Linemakers service on had ND as a 1-point favorite, and at that price this might have been one of the safest bets of the season. Here’s what the Irish do not do at Purcell Pavilion or the Joyce Center or whatever you care to call this place: lose. They entered the Kentucky game 40-1 in their last 41 home games.

Eamonn Brennan-

This is what’s supposed to happen.  When a team this young goes on the road for the first time, it is supposed to lose.  When it’s late November, and your group of freshmen and sophomores haven’t played in a hostile environment, and said hostile environment happens to be a packed, blackout-clad Joyce Center, where Notre Dame never loses in nonconference play, you are supposed to lose.  When ND’s football-obsessed fans are juiced off that team’s 12-0 national-title run, and that school’s Heisman candidate is sitting in the front row of the student section — and, oh by the way, you are also playing a very good team with a very real chance of winning the Big East —you are not supposed to play winning basketball.

Apparently, UK was supposed to lose this game.  The silver acorn had been dropped, the Great Tree of Antiquity had spoken, and Notre Dame’s success was not expected, but demanded.

But yeah, we probably should have lost that game.  More than simply the Irish playing well (they did), last night was an exhibition on how badly this Kentucky team can play.  Hopefully that ends up being a one-night only performance.

But recall the iteration of the Cats from only two years ago, which this team resembles far more than last year: they were walloped pretty early on by a UConn team and lost by double-digits in Maui after winning a supposedly tougher matchup against Washington.  Granted, that UConn group went on to win the National Championship that year, but we didn’t do too poorly in the long run, either.

This team is going to take some lumps.  Regardless of what was “supposed” to happen last night, rest assured that this team will get better.  How much better, we don’t know; but improvement will be there.  And should we happen to play this team again, safe to say that 1-point line might be a little different.

Oh, and did you guys see Manti Te’o at the game?  One of my friends went to the game, and told me he was there.  I don’t know if I believe him.

Article written by Corey Nichols

119 Comments for Should we be upset about last night’s “upset?”

  1. Dr. Oz
    9:02 am November 30, 2012 Permalink


  2. The Pope
    9:03 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    It was preordained.

  3. old_school
    9:04 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    An unranked team beats a team ranked 8th in the nation – and that same 8th-ranked team had been touted in the preseason in some polls as being a top three squad.

    I don’t care whose book you’re looking at -that’s an upset.

  4. RustyPipes
    9:05 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    I swear that god forsaken state looks for any reason to storm a court.

  5. Coach
    9:05 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    CAL allowed it to happen; learning experience….learn….fix….move forward and look forward to the next opportunity against hem in the NCAA tournament.

  6. bigbluejon
    9:06 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    We were #8, thats why its an upset. Look guys, Harrow is a bust and now we have no true PG. We have no one to coordinate the offense, get our shooters open shots, and our big men are struggling mightily to rebound. We simply aren’t a very good team right now. And before people start touting next year as 40-0, remember this: this year’s squad was the #1/#2 recruiting class as well, and look where we are.

  7. Smitty
    9:07 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    old_school — Do you have nothing better to do, as an Indiana fan, than troll on KSR?

  8. Rae
    9:07 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Bring back BTI and have him look at the numbers so far. Any real improvement on rebounding specifically?

    Winning is one thing. Respectable is another.

  9. Smitty
    9:07 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    6 – Where were you in 2010-11?

  10. Rae
    9:09 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Oh, and didn’t Notre Dame storm the court after beating Syracuse last year? The point of storming the court is that it is special. Stops being special if you do it that often.

  11. Dr. Mantis Taboggin
    9:09 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    There is no team, it’s exactly right now what Cal said he didn’t want, a bunch of guys trying to get their stats and that’s all. It so reminds me of the Bogans / Prince years, they both jacked shots to get theirs and never looked to get each other or anyone else involved, flash forward to Poythress and Goodwin, same thing going on except Goodwin is at the point so he shoots even more than Bogans. Twin towers is a dream that needs to die as well, +/- we are getting slaughtered, as soon as we go to that lineup we lose games, happened against Duke, didn’t work against Maryland and last night twin towers killed momentum again and we went down 10. Give it up Coach, sorry WCS won’t get drafted this year and you will actually have a returnee that matters. No team here at all right now, can see Wiltjier wants to win and so does Noel. Mays looks lost on defense but at least hes scoring the rest of the team I’m not sure about, feels like a NBA draft camp to me.

  12. Turner the Burner
    9:09 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    UK did well to hang in with Duke. They probably left that game feeling pretty good. Not sure that they learned much from that loss….. They will learn from this loss.

  13. catcrawler
    9:09 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    not upset with losing, upset with how we lost.

  14. ESPNSucks
    9:10 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    It’s one thing to watch your team fall apart in a hostile environment the first time it travels away from home. It’s another to have to listen to Digger Phelps talk about that great win in 1827 when he was coaching . . . and to listen to a football player who can barely carry a conversation answer the same question 18 times in a row while your team is getting trounced. Maybe if we had been winning, it may have been plausible . . . I doubt it.

  15. old_school
    9:11 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    6 – You’re right. Cal’s system of gambling on freshmen can sometimes pay off – and sometimes it’s a bust. Here’s the thing though – in the first three years of his UK tenure when it paid off – his freshmen were carried by some experienced players like Liggins, Miller, Patterson, Harrelson, etc. This is the first year we’re really seeing Cal’s system as designed.

    This team has NO depth. Cal won’t develop it.

    Look at last year’s team. There were several blowouts. Did Cal ever let Polson play any significant minutes to get him experience? No. He’s too worried about getting his stars their stats so they’ll be attractive on Draft Night – the most important moment in UK history – remember?

    There’s no guarantee that next year’s super freshmen are going to be better than this year’s freshmen. They may be, or they may not be. It’s a dangerous strategy to rely so heavily on such an untested forumula.

  16. bigbluejon
    9:12 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    9) We had Brandon Knight, and he was progressing as a PG. We have no PG this season. That is the main difference. Calipari’s teams are founded on the basis of having a great PG to run the show.

  17. woah
    9:13 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    #6 u cant really compare nexts years team and recruits with this years.. and if we get wiggins, randle, and wcs could come back we would be sick

  18. old_school
    9:14 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    17 – I think we looked pretty ill last night.

  19. Smitty
    9:15 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    16) Harrow is set to be the PG and will be before Christmas. However, he has to get worked back in. He will be fine and this team will be fine. Step back from the edge…. It will be okay

  20. Dave
    9:15 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Everyone, relax. This team is similar to two years ago except less experienced. Sadly, there is no Brandon Knight this year. However, they will get better. They will have a good if not great season. I cannot imagine the entire team going pro so with the influx next year I think it will be pretty awesome. The Harrison PG on this year’s team would solve many things.

  21. Expected
    9:16 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    The only thing that I’m seeing that I didn’t expect is Harrow’s Invisible Man impersonation. The should be a rule that bans all reports of #BEAST sightings at pickup games and practices. #11 – maybe I’m the one that missed all the “Jacking Up” from Poythress. You must get a different stat sheet than the rest of us.. At the percentage of shots he is making, I wish he would jack it up. #1shot

  22. Smitty
    9:16 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    old_school needs to move on down the road… Don’t you have a Hoosier’s site to visit? I wish they would just go ahead and ban you.

  23. Dr. Mantis Taboggin
    9:19 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    #16 Knight was no PG, all he did was shoot and still does it in the pro’s. We have Brandon Knight’s clone right now in Goodwin, exactly the same player.

  24. nerlensflattop
    9:20 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    I agree with that last bit about Te’o. i didn’t turn the game on to see a Manti Te’o interview. Poorly done, ESPN. He was on TV for about 80% of the second half. I’m angry (as most are) about now seeing 2 in the loss column, but I think it is just another sign that we have so much room to grow. And that room is what will make us a dangerous team in March. If we grow and change throughout the season, we will be a lot like our Final Four team two years ago. Unpredictable in the tournament, but also very talented and quite a bit matured.

  25. Devastation INC
    9:20 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    As if the game was not bad enough, they had to bring Diggers fat face into the side panel of my TV just as we started to fall apart. All he could talk about was how ND used to kick uk’s but in the Rupp days. He would not shut up and I had to mute the game! Then they bring in that annoying linebacker talking about how great ND is. I could not believe it. I was just waiting for Bob Knight to come take over my tv screen next. I have gotten to the point where I will not watch the TV when old nasty digger is on. He is the worst.

  26. UKcrazed
    9:22 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Weird role reversal. Goodwin is playing point and harrow playing 2 guard. IMO harrow is not a good 2 guard and Goodwin NOT a point! If Cal allows Goodwin to remain the starting point, we are just an average team and would struggle to win the OVC. And Harrow is not a bust at point as cal really didn’t even allow him to play point last night. Are these mind games or some lesson cal is trying to teach Harrow? And Poythress is NOT a ball hog as he took one shot last night.

  27. missingit
    9:25 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    #23 – Entirely different players. Last time I checked Knoght was running the point for a NBA team. Goodwin is playing out of position and it is hurting his impact. When (if) he figures it out he will be fine. He gets to the rack better that anyone, he counts on getting the foul but they sure as heck weren’t going to call it last night – gameover

  28. barn
    9:25 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    i hope harrow progresses and becomes the pg that we direly need, but right now it looks to me like mays might be our best option at that position. goodwin sure doesn’t look to be the answer

  29. missingit
    9:26 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Knoght… LOL.. Maybe I don’t believe what I am typing myself.

  30. Cats
    9:27 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Why isn’t Julius Mays our point guard. He is the only one with any experience and we seem calmer with his hands on the ball. If Cal can get them to play with some intensity and actually move on offense we will be just fine.

    Everyone needs to chill out, it is amazing how you can win a championship, lose all of your starters, and in five games people are ready to throw in the towel.

  31. smoke and mirrors
    9:27 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    I love Wiltjer,but facts are facts,he can’t guard ANYBODY. He causes a lot of breakdowns when other players have to cover his man. I don’t no the answer,maybe he should live in the weight room and not worry so much on shooting right now,because he is a major liability in any matchup. Great kid,glad he is here,but on this stage it is clear he is not ready….not yet……

  32. UK Fan
    9:27 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    This team is soft with little in the way of offense. We’ve gotten used to winning and struggle to find excuses when we lose. However, we aren’t that good and this team is not going to achieve a whole lot.

  33. gokycats33
    9:29 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Remember… Harrow has been out for a while, so getting him back, practicing, and game situations will turn our PG issue around. Hard to develop chemistry when a part of the team is out. So we’ve lost to dUKe and ND, big deal! Early losses in November don’t really matter. Only losses that matter are “bad” (see Gardner Webb) losses in November and in March / April! I have the confidence Cal will get this team playing as a team as he has done the previous years.

  34. bloobloodcat
    9:30 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Poythress could have easily gone off last night. They had no answer for him other than to shove him around and call him for walking.

  35. Smitty
    9:30 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    32. I will take talent any day of the week. Teams that were not that good were Tubby’s last couple teams. This team has talent and time to get it right. What happens between now and December 29th will tell us a lot. We have to see improvement. In 2010-11, this was the same kinda talk and we ended up doing well.

  36. asdf
    9:30 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Remember that even Cal’s first team struggled at the beginning. Remember Wall saving our butts against Miami in his first game? They got better.

  37. Sad
    9:31 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    “It’s tough to coach new teams each year, that’s what is hard,” Calipari said. “That’s just part of what we have to deal with. Every team is new.”

    … why is he just now figuring this out? And if that’s the case, why doesn’t he recruit more 4-year glue guys? He inherited Miller, Liggins, Jorts, and other guys that helped lead his younger freshman. We CANNOT win a title with 5 starting freshman, it just won’t happen.

  38. SteveM
    9:32 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    This is a patchwork of players with no team concept. I love Cal but this is the year that we see the downside of the one-and-done philosphy. He doesn’t have the right personnel this time and zero veterans to pick up the slack. This is going to be…how do they say it?….a bridge year.

  39. bloobloodcat
    9:33 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Harrow still has plenty of time to develop. He’s barely practiced in a month. These guys all are hesitant because they are suddenly “trying” to play basketball the way Cal wants them too rather than just run and play they way they are naturally inclined. Once they get comfortable with their roles and with how the game is played in college, they will be fine….IMO.

  40. kentuckyrules
    9:33 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Holy crap, we have the same number of losses we had last year…ahh!!! old_school, your arguments are ridiculous. I read your crap on the other posts last night, just garbage. You are a know it all when we lose, and absent when we are winning, just stop it already.

    I agree with some of you that Goodwin is out of position, and I do wish Cal will just move on from it, and let Harrow do what he does. I think Harrow is SO AFRAID to make a mistake, he is reserved from what he does…seen it a hundred times with young guys I have coached. They need to stop thinking about things, and just play. We’ll be fine, I’m sure, but something is holding them back – mentally.

  41. bloobloodcat
    9:34 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    People talk about 2010-11, and remember the final four. Know what I remember? Needing a last second shot by Knight to get past PRINCETON in the 1st round of the tournament. If he misses that shot, we talk about how big of a bust that year was.

  42. SteveM
    9:37 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Harrow is not up to the task of PG for this team. I remember last year thinking Teague was not going to lead us to a title, but he looked infitely better than Harrow at this time of the season. Bottom line, Cal misjudged some of the talent on this team and we’ll not experience the level of success we’ve gotten used to. That’s OK, we won it all last year and I’m still satisfied.

  43. Smitty
    9:37 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    41. But he didn’t miss did he? For the majority of that year the team got smacked around on the road and lost close games. That was a huge step…. to then go on and beat WVU, UNC, and Ohio St.

  44. GoCats2
    9:37 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Not worried at all about this team. We will lose 5 or 6 games this year. I just hope we do not lose at home. I predict at least an elite 8 appearance for this team. The only thing that bothers me is the Matei Teo hour last night where they only showed him and only talked about him and nothing about the game for what seemed like an hour.

    #37 you are an idiot. Tubby Smith recruited 4 year glue guys for 10 years. How did that workout?

  45. troy
    9:38 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Losing doesn’t bother me. The manner in which we lost bothers me a LOT!

    Goodwin – Our “point guard” took horrible shots and never ran the offense. If there’s ever been a player who should be voted “least likely to ever be a PG”, it should be Goodwin. It’s not in his DNA. This is the first basketball decision from Cal that I think is terrible. SG ALL the way. He will NEVER be a PG, and trying to force him into being one will ruin what he’s good at: scoring at will. he doesn’t need to wonder “Do I pass, do I shoot, do I drive?” He just needs to be a scorer.

    Wiltjer had better stop being so damn passive on the offensive end. What happened to this “great shooter”? Misses threes, misses front ends of one and ones. The leasst physically gifted “big” we have had on the roster, and he gets passive WAY too often.

    Poythress looked like he was sleep walking the whole 4 minutes he played. Slow to the spot, couldn’t hold onto the ball when he had it in his hands. HORRIBLE game, I mean HORRIBLE. I can’t imagine we get many more performances like this out of him ever again.

    WCS – anyone ever seen a guy that big with that speed, size, strength and athleticism who couldn’t rebound AT ALL ?!?!

    Polson – I know he’s not the answer, but if he’s going to play, he had better be ready to shoot. If the other team KNOWS you aren’t even going to TRY to score, then they can double team every ball that goes into the post.

  46. gokycats33
    9:38 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    “… and that sound you hear is the world’s tiniest violin playing just for defending national champion Calipari. He choose this path — to use the one-and-done rule to his advantage if at all possible — and while it can work out for the best (as in 2012) these are the risks that come along with it.”

  47. Turner the Burner
    9:38 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    42 – I would hope Teague looked better! Harrow missed almost 2 weeks and just came back for his first game last night. See how things shake out… There are 3 pros, at least, on this team. They will get better and learn from this. Remember – Winning and Learning

  48. EyewearMan
    9:40 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Blah Blah Blah… Blah Blah Blah Blah…. 1 Early Season Loss on the Road in a Hostile environment! The sad part is that the CATS didn’t play well at all! The reason the DUKE loss was easier to stomach was because the CATS played pretty well against them. Last night was just pitiful. Lots of time left in the season, and no reason to panic!

  49. johnjuan
    9:40 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    The thing is, they cant have a hangover and lay another turd against Baylor Saturday. They are a decent team and could be a threat to break the streak if they get hot. I can see Pierre Jackson giving the backcourt fits on both ends and they will have something to prove since the Cats ousted them from the tourney. Its early but some gaping holes were exposed. They play defense like freshmen cause they are freshmen. Cal will teach them that they cant get away with all the reaching and slapping the ball away from opponents that they do against LIU Brooklyn or Morehead. They will learn position defense and mental toughness. Hopefully its not next year.

  50. Turner the Burner
    9:40 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    37. old_school… that you??

  51. troy
    9:40 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    #38 – I think you’re right. Our most aggressive player is Noel, and he doesn’t control the offense. Until Calipari gets this idiotic notion that Goodwin is a PG out of his head, this team won’t advance at all. Why not name WCS shooting guard? I mean why even BOTHER trying to match the player with their natural position?

  52. old_school
    9:41 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Actually – my arguments are quite valid and I see others echoing them on here with more frequency.

    This is the first year we’re really seeing Cal’s system. It’s a roll of the dice. You take your chances that the players will live up to their AAU hype and hope you can get 18-year olds to somehow play with the same poise and intelligence as 21-22 year olds. Experience does matter.

    And I’m not an IU alum or an IU fan. I admire what Crean has done and it’s vastly different that what Cal has done.

    Again – both these programs were in a similar state five years ago – and they took two very different approaches to correct things.

    Cal’s approach is to assemble a team every eight months. (I find it kind of humorous that he then complains about how difficult it is to coach a new team every year)

    Crean’s approach was to build a program, which he’s done and the team is now the solid #1 team in the land.

    The proof will come when we look back in five or six years and see who was able to maintain a consistent excellent program.

    There’s no guarantee I’m right – but I’d have more confidence in a man who has a plan and strategy – than a coach who simply rolls the dice on 17-year-old kids every eight months.

  53. troy
    9:42 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    This team should out rebound every opponent by 10 a game. If I had WCS’s body, I’d get 15 rebounds a game. For a guy that big who played damn FOOTBALL, he sure as hell doesn’t play very physical and can’t rebound a lick!

  54. barn
    9:43 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    40–i wish there was a way i could save posts from people like old stool. he spouted the same crap last year and the year before. he predicted we’d never win a nc with cal’s system of bringing the best talent available every year. jeez

  55. troy
    9:43 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    #52 – IU won’t even make the final four. Experience looks great in November, Talent takes over in March.

  56. chill
    9:44 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Not worried….. Yes they are lost on the offense, no movement, no spacing but you can see little flashes of light that they are starting to figure it out just not consistantly yet. Dfence they are weak and need to talk more and understand each other more. These are just the bumps in the road that most of us knew was coming with this yound and immature team. You could say they are all young but this team is really immature on the court. They need to be tougher on dfense an rebounding………. and for the love of god they need to stay on their feet and quit going for everyblock.

  57. Cat Lick
    9:45 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    In honor of the big upset, like Bruce, I’m havin’ fish tonight.

  58. Music City Cat Fan
    9:46 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    I can’t think of a better way for Harrow to learn the effect of a bad point guard than putting him in at the 2 with Goodwin at the 1. He can then see what its like to be in a scorers position and never get the ball. I think he learned a lot in his limited minutes. I mean at one point we had 3 point guards in the game and our ball movement still sucked. #coachingopportunity

  59. John Wall
    9:46 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    First off Manti Te’o is a douche and i hope Bama runs it all over him, he deserves it now after that game. Second ive always liked Harrow but last night was almost embarassing. I know hes coming off a sickness or whatever but he did not look like he wanted to be on the floor AT ALL! Archie is a baller but damn he needs to calm down the man was just all over the place. Nerlens is a beast but needs to stop reaching in, we all saw that, and body up more. He will be great for us. Cauley is still learning, much potential. Julius Mays has shocked me and came in and is showing every what a few years of college ball can do to your game. HELP! We need Harrow to get his confidence back for us to be great, Ive seen him embarras foo’s in the JC and now he is not even attempting to play his game. Only time will tell. Go Cats! Down with Manti!!!

  60. bung
    9:47 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    we had 27 def rebounds. we shoulda had 20 points from the fast break against a slow team. We had 2 baskets. We dont have guys positioned for the outlet pass. We don’t make the assist. We don’t know how to run the fast break effectively.

  61. Jones Returns
    9:47 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    My only concern is this… How are all of the extraordinary recruits that we’re gunning for next year going to be able join the team when no one from this years class leaves. Seeing as how we don’t have a center coming in next year it would be great if either Nerlens or Willie were to stay, but the rest of them are just eating up scholarships and hampering our chances for a world class team next year. THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM.

  62. Dr. Tom
    9:47 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    We stunk, we lost, we move on. This team is all about March. Next game!!

  63. RustyPipes
    9:48 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    53. I have more confidence in the coach that already has a nat’l championship under his belt in less time than at the helm than Crean. How can you say Cal “rolls the dice”? He’s been to an elite 8, final four, and won a ring. Has Crean made it past the sweet 16 yet? Admire the coach who’s done what he’s done with 18 yr kids, not the coach who hasnt proven anything yet with the talent he has. IU should be competing for rings every year, it should be expected, not “admired”.

  64. Turner the Burner
    9:49 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    52. Cal at UK — Elite 8, Final Four, Champs.

    Calipari does not bring in 6 FR then send them off to the draft. He will bring in 5 or 6 and then keep 1-3 every year. Wiltjer will be back next year and then another guy or 2 will be back to go with the FR coming in…. it is a plan to have the best chance to win every 2-3 years. IU will not be very good next year and will not be a title contender for a couple more years after this one. Same with Louisville…. They better get it done this year cause neither of those teams has a shot this year.
    Also, this year is so wide open….. You do not have to be a great team to win it all this year… Last year required a great team to win it…. not the case this year

  65. hotair
    9:49 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    I cannot wait for IU to lose in March. They will act like it isn’t a big deal and that it was still a good year, but we will all know that this year will mean nothing without a title. God I hate them so much.

  66. Some Guy
    9:51 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    I will wait to see how they look in a few games to go crazy. I think Cal is going to get them going. I am not going to stop trusting him now.

  67. Jones Returns
    9:51 am November 30, 2012 Permalink


  68. barn
    9:53 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    what’s the latest on twany beckham? we could sure use him.

  69. old_school
    9:55 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    61 – you are right. This is a serious problem.
    Might Cal push some of the players into the draft – even if they’re not ready?

    Cal’s reputation is all about sending players to the NBA – he really can’t afford to have a deep team. Talent lagging away on the bench will not sell well with recruits.

  70. Turner the Burner
    9:56 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    67. There goes old_school changing account names again. Gotta trust coach Cal (if you are a UK fan)

  71. Turner the Burner
    9:57 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    69. Now you are posting questions and answering your own questions. Good stuff

  72. barn
    9:57 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    67-having never seen either lee or willis play i’d like to know why you claim they are worthless? lee is rated by as the 5th best pf in his class and 18th best player overall. how do you judge these players?

  73. dude
    9:57 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    #52 Cal is 106-16 at UK so far (2009), Crean is 56-75 with an extra year at Indiana (2008). I’m no mathematician but that’s nearly double the wins in less time. Do you really want to have this argument? Cal would have to lose nearly 10 more games than Crean EVERY YEAR for 5 or 6 years for him to catch up. Aint happenin bro…

  74. Smitty
    9:59 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    The NBA draft will be based on potential. Noel will be gone. Poythress and Goodwin will probably stay in the lottery even if UK is out by the sweet 16. Getting a guy that is 18/19 with a ton of potential is better than drafting 22 year old SR

    9:59 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    #14 I feel your pain about the lack of respect for KENTUCKY while they were playing, ESPN SUCKS!!! They did everything they could do to make KENTUCKY look bad and I for one could give a rats ass about some OVER-RATED football player while i’m trying to watch the DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPIONS (my ky wildcats) play the rock. That old dried up fart (digger) is no more than a bashing tool that ESPN uses to hack away at KENTUCKY!!!!!! I think the ass whooping we took last night would not have been half as bad had ESPN made DV just broadcast the DANG GAME and leave the football guy in the stand. WHAT A CROCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  76. barn
    10:00 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    69–if they go to nba even though they’re not ready, then it’s shame on the nba, huh?

  77. Smitty
    10:01 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    69 – Draft based on potential, not how much you play in college…. SEE DANIEL ORTON!

  78. redandyz
    10:01 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    52, I agree with you 100%, well said. I’ve been harping on that since day one with the one and dones… eventually you have no glue guys.

    55 – Uk’s teams from last year had some experienced guys who could contribute. This team does not. Matters nothing when March rolls around.

    14 – Dude, you being a bit harsh about Te’o not being able to carry on a cnversation??? Care to elaborate?
    59 – Dont be a hater on Te’o. If there was (ever) a Heisman contender from the UK football team leading your student section you’d be as elated as ND fans are, and all over it like ESPN was. The kid is an A+ individual. Wishing him ill will because he was rooting against your Cats is juvenile, but to be expected from a UK fan.

  79. Al B. Frank
    10:01 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Can we all just agree to ignore “old_school” from now on? Maybe if this idiot gets no response, he will just go away. Anyone else tired of seeing him post the same negative drivel post after post? We get it. You don’t like the direction Cal has taken with the team. Guess what? He’s paid to be the coach, not you. Go support another team. Go post on their website. You seem to be in love with IU, go there. Leave us alone. From now on, if I see the name “old_school”, I will simply pass right over the post. I suggest the rest of you do the same. I have grown tired of this one trick pony.

  80. miller time
    10:01 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    40) I agree 100%

  81. Delk for 3
    10:02 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    61, 69 — Guys, the calendar hasn’t even turned to December yet!!!!!!!!!! It’s freaking November 30th today!! The team has been practicing together for like 6-7 weeks. The last thing you should be worried about is who is going to be on the team next season.

  82. Jones Returns
    10:02 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Here’s who will leave (but they’ll be drafted low so it makes Cal look bad for pushing them out):


    Here’s who will stay:

    Lanter (redshirt)

    So that’s 8 scholarships that will be taken next year. We already have 5 commits (Harrison, Harrison, Young, Lee, Willis). That’s a total of 13 scholarships for the 2013 season. YOU ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE 13 SCHOLARSHIP PLAYERS IN NCAA MEN’S BASKETBALL!!!!

    So no matter how bad we want Wiggins, Randle or Gordon we will not be able to get any of them one because we already shot our wod on two sh#t players (Lee & Willis) and two because this years team is no going to have nearly as many one and dones as we originally thought. SERIOUS PROBLEM. These stars will have to go somewhere and if they all go to Florida or someplace together it could result in a change in tide in the world of recruiting.

  83. redandyz
    10:03 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    75 – Digger and Dick Vitale interviewing Te’o cost UK points/the game????? if anything, if I were a UK fan I’d be glad to be distracted from the train wreck that happened on the court.

  84. Blue
    10:06 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    The best and worst part about being Kentucky fan is the passion of the fanbase…It’s great when the team is winning, but my goodness…Some of you desperately need a reality check when we lose.

    It’s still November and already talking about a bust.

    We have so far to go, it’s not even funny and no one seems to even think about how much this team can improve…Just a day ago everyone was trumpeting the potential for growth this team has by March, and now…After

  85. Blue
    10:08 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    one loss (a road loss against one of the toughest environments, in our first road game) we are suddenly doomed and Calipari doesn’t know what he’s doing?

    “He inherited Liggins, Harrellson, and Miller and they were the glue guys. His one-and-done philosophy is flawed and now it’s showing!”

    Cal made those guys into th eplayers they were. And what about Jones or Lamb or WIltjer? Not one and done guys.

    Take a deep breath and calm down…We showed a lack of effort and I’m sure Cal will get it taken care of. We have a LONG LONG way to go.

  86. Delk for 3
    10:09 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    You people who are discussing where the kids will go in the draft are wasting your time. We are in late November and have more than three and a half full months of season left. No telling how the kids will look then. They are barely removed from high school competition for crying out loud!

  87. Opti
    10:09 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    No, I’m not upset. ND players were bigger stronger and had a real sense of purpose plus they shot the heck out of the ball. Archie still has a shoot first mentality, but remember that he wasn’t suppossed to be a point guard anyway. I don’t think I’ve seen UK miss so many layups and wide open shots in a long time. But the bottom line is that this team has no experienced hands to provide guidance and confidence to the frosh. It is only November 30th…this team has a lot of time to improve. Cal will be able to start practicing the team as many hours as he wants as soon as the semester ends…and he has a ton of teaching material. My thanks go out to Notre Dame for providng a lot of learning points. This team will be a lot better by January.

  88. dude
    10:10 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    #78 I have no dog in this fight, but it’s a joke that Te’o is even a heisman candiate to begin with. A: He’s a defensive player B: He’s a defensive player on a team that gave up 172 rushing yards at home to a RB on a team that was 4-5.

  89. random dude
    10:10 am November 30, 2012 Permalink


    Everybody needs to take a few steps back and calm down. We are not very good right now. If we would have ranked this team preseason WITHOUT a point guard they are just a top 25 team. Either they’ll get it together and make a run or they won’t and we’ll be loaded next year.

  90. roscolio
    10:12 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    old_school. still in denial about the fact that you said Cal would never ever win a championship at UK?
    you absolutely said it, you were wrong, and now you deny saying it. Do us all a favor smegma breath, and stfu.

  91. UKHoopshysteria
    10:12 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    #82, Guys like Lanter, Malone, and Long are on year to year scholarships. If Cals wants and can get recruits then they’ll have scholarships. This a non issue!

  92. littlechickenlittle
    10:13 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    the sky is not falling!! I repeat the sky is not falling. Harrow will be our point gaurd by mid-Jan. Positioning,switching,timing and confidence will improve with each game as theese guys learn how to play together and anticipate where the rest of the team will be on the court. Goodwin needs to continue to drive to the basket and take his shots cause it gets the opposing team in foul trouble and draws the D away from where they are supposed to be. As time goes by everyones stats will grow as a result. WE WILL BE JUST FINE ….but they do need to quit expecting a foul called every time there is contact

  93. Old School Sux
    10:13 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Old_School, just do us all a favor and go away. My gosh, we get it, you don’t like Cal. You’ve been saying the same stuff over and over for three years.

  94. Indianacat
    10:15 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    At the game last night. First, this was a young talented team getting taken to task by an experienced well-coached group. ND slowed it down, got back on defense, and played extremely physical with our guards. This ruined any chance for easy baskets in transition and Archie, hopefully learned that wild straight line drives at the rim don’t work against disciplined big men. This team will start to learn to look for match-ups and exploit them as they grow as a team. The other thing, hold off your appraisal/criticism on Harrow. He didn’t play point guard last night. He was off the ball on every procession. Let’s get a true sample of how he can run the point once or if Cal let’s him play the position. In the end, they were a young team that got taken to school. Sit back, relax, and enjoy watching this team develop and think back to the days not that long ago when you saw a UK team perform like this and knew they didn’t have the talent to get any better.

  95. The Truth.
    10:17 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    I would rather go with Cal’s one and done system and win a National Championship every few years, then have so called 4 year glue guys go to elite 8 or final four and not be able to win it. Cal knows best. Don’t hate!!!!!!!!’

  96. Dutch
    10:17 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Watched 3 min of second half and cut the tv off….I’m sure they will get better but I was not going to bed upset over one game! It’s going to be a long season if the cats can’t rebound…It’s going to be a short season…..but anyway, GO CATS!

  97. lawnorder
    10:21 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Damn Tubby!

    10:26 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    #83 Where did I say anything about it costing points/game? I see you posting on here all the time and EVERYTIME it’s the same B.S!!!! GO AWAY

  99. bballanalist
    10:32 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    If Cal predicted (suggested)that each superconference ran there own tv/sports chanel maybe these analist would quit being so bias to the school they attended. Jay Bilas is one of the exceptions but some change opinions from game to game and some repeat themself over and over. I have to keep any throwable objects out of my reach at all times during ant ESPN games.

  100. redandyz
    10:34 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    88 – Just because Te’o is a defensive player doesn’t mean he’s not the game’s best player. Offensive players like Johnny Football get attention because they are finding the end zone and on SportsCenter. Te’o is a special defensive player – trust me, I was one, and this kid is unreal. He’ll be playing on Sundays while you’re on the couch rooting for the Cowboys, Steelers, Titans, or whatever team UK fans glom onto.

  101. random dude
    10:34 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    82 you are a moron you know that right

  102. UKHoopshysteria
    10:37 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Cal attempted to bring in more experience for this year’s team by electing to go with Harrow rather than one of last yrs pg recruits. He also knew Wiltjer would be coming back and recruited Mays to provide backcourt depth/leadership.
    So far the problem has been only Mays keeping up with expectations.

    Last night exposed our weakeness to zone defense without a designated PG and limited practice against it. Add to the fact they are damn good at home, shot a high %, and guys were not engaged in the game.

  103. FrankTheTank
    10:38 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Old_school – you need to change your name to grumpyoldbastardthathateslife. you’re a miserable humban being and a horrible representation of the BBN. I’m sorry to be the one to have to tell you this, but your MAN CARD and your BBN card have been simultaneously revoked.
    This team loses a road game IN NOVEMBER and you wanna say “see I told you Cal’s system isn’t going to work”.
    Since Cal has been at UK he has one 102 games (second most in the first 3 years in the history of college bball), he is UNDEFEATED at home, and we’ve been to elite 8, Final 4, National Champions.
    Just STFU, turn in your cards, and move to Bloomington.
    what a tool!!!

  104. Syrin
    10:40 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    I HATE ND football with a passion, BUT Te’o is a CLASS ACT. Bashing on the guy is idiotic. he’s done everything he was supposed to and more and over came a situation many people NEVER recover from even decades later. We need more people like Te’o, and less people running around wanting free Obamaphones. Guess which group will lead to the utter ruin of our country.

  105. redandyz
    10:41 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    98 – you said “I think the ass whooping we took last night would not have been half as bad had ESPN made DV just broadcast the DANG GAME and leave the football guy in the stand. WHAT A CROCK!” I took the liberty of removing the additional exclamation points. I just assumed you were saying ESPN caused the asswhopping, because you were distracted? Or did you mean it wouldnt have been half as bad to swallow? Not trying to put words (or anything else) in your mouth, boudreaux!

  106. FrankTheTank
    10:41 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    82 – because you know that Cal is going to keep Malone, Lanter, and Long on scholarship. I think 101 said it best about you bro. You’re just stupid and we all know YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID.

    10:42 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Is Manti Te’o? I kept hearing everyone talk about him. Who is he and why should I care? Dick Vitale said he embodied ND, so he must be a big white kid that isn’t super athletic but shows lots of heart.

  108. dude
    10:56 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    #100 you are right. Just because he’s a defensive player doesn’t mean he cant be the best player in football. BUT, he’s not. Hell, if I were drafting a defensive player right now regardless of class, I’d take Jadaveon Clowney, hands down. T’eo’s only getting the attention because its ND. Charles Woodson was the last defensive player to win the heisman but the dude impacted both sides of the ball AND scored touchdowns. T’eo has not.

    10:56 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Archie Goodwin will never buy into the team first manta…ever..he is and never will be a poin guard…like it or not Harrow has to start…or even Polson…we need a traditional point guard..period…and if we keep loading up with one and dones we will never have depth…we cant keep going to a 7 man rotation…not with this group especially….next year yes but not this year…. BBN might as well face it…we are going to be a 7 or 8 loss team…we will play better at the end of the year and maybe win a few games in the NCAA tournament but thats it….its time for a reality check BBN

  110. Big Blue Coming at You
    11:10 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    You can spin it how ever you want but this is a bad loss to an unranked team. We’re better than ND and should have won. We were out-played and out-coached. Something i don’t ever say about Cal. This team is soft. They’re terrible defensively and can’t stop anybody. Rebounding is atrocious. They just bat the ball around like they’re playing volleyball instead of going up with two hands and grabbing it.

    Wiltjer is too slow and can’t play defense. Next year he’ll be coming off the bench but he’s not this year out of necessity. Worst part about this team is we have no PG. Goodwin is not a PG. He’s a lot like Lamb in that he can if we need him to play point but you really don’t want him to. He’s a scorer and that’s what we need him to be. Harrow just isn’t very good so it’s like we have no choice but to play Goodwin out of position.

    This year is going to be a lot like 2010-11 but with no PG i don’t see this team going too far in the tournament. I thought we could have a chance at another championship but with Harrow not being that good i’m changing my outlook. I know it’s early and this team will get better but no PG is really going to hurt this team.

  111. the Big Dog
    11:13 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    We should be upset- that was a train wreck last night. The four letter network put graphics up on every Notre Dame win over UK in history. They were blowing so much smke up Digger’s ass that they needed the fire dept. This is two years out of four that UK has been in this position- no talent left from previous year. The last time (Knight and Company) it was painful but turned out OK (Final Four) If Cal can figure out how to get good players not ready for the NBA to stay in school he will be able to challenge for the championship every year.

  112. HoptownsBeast
    11:14 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    The team will get better. They NEED to lose these games now and a few more to work things out before March. From thelooks of it most of you agree. And stop hatin on Manti Te’o. The man is a BEAST and it was their home. Give him his props. Respect Game.

  113. KernWhiskey
    11:34 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    112 – If I was ya’ll I’d figger out how to get one a them “fire Caplitarti” innernet sites anbd start them drums now befur it’s to late and Calp leaves you with another facated final furrs he likes to have! he gonna burn that big ol blue house down fellers!

  114. kentuckyjoe
    11:38 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Yes Corey, Manti was there. It’s true. As was Digger Phelps. I think most of us would have wished them to be about 400 miles away but alas, they weren’t and we had to suffer thru them. Those interviews during the game have to go.

  115. dude
    11:42 am November 30, 2012 Permalink

    If we look like this in February, I’ll be worried. I think this team will probably end up losing 8-10 games this year. It’s going to be a process.

  116. CAUKFAN
    12:03 pm November 30, 2012 Permalink

    It’s one game. It’s not like we lost to Garder Webb. We’ll be fine.

  117. buckster1
    12:28 pm November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Old school and Jones Returns Says: are absolutely clueless about basketball. No common sense what so ever. They should be embarrassed. redandyz Says what would make a ND fan come to a UK site and think anyone would even listen to his biased remarks? Not a very intelligent one. ND should have at least one decent site you can visit and celebrate the greatest victory ND b-ball will have all season. UK fans WE WILL GET 100% BETTER before February, mark it down. Quit whineing.

  118. old_school
    2:54 pm November 30, 2012 Permalink

    listen to me. listen to me! I will repeat the same things over and over and over and you will listen! I said UK will never win a NC under Cal and look wha…oh wait.

  119. Blonde Bomber
    6:50 pm November 30, 2012 Permalink

    Who is this Teo???