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SEC commitment comparison

September 2nd is quickly approaching, and that means the official start to college football season in the Bluegrass. It’s also just 25 weeks until National Signing Day when all the recruits for 2013 will ink their names to a school; fans around the country will drool over YouTube highlight reels and claim the Heisman winner for 2016.

To see how teams stack up against each other so far, John Pennington at MrSEC.com compiled the Rivals rankings of all the current committed players in the SEC into a table for a grade.

I added Louisville into the mix as an extra layer of comparison.

For each star a recruit has, it is worth one point. So a five-star recruit equals five points, a four-star recruit equals four points, and so on. One- and zero-star recruits are each worth one point. In the totals column you will see the total points a school earned for the most stars. Think of it as the absolute amount of talent being brought into the program.

In the next chart, the numbers are averaged to see what kind of specific players a program is reeling in. Obviously the first chart could be skewed if a team were to load up on two- and three-stars and rack up on total points, but still not be as valuable as a team which has fewer players but more talent in four- or five-stars. So the average chart on the left gives a better picture of where teams stack up. Think of this as “quality over quantity.”

And on the right simply shows the number of high-end recruits, those coveted four- and five-star guys that are committed to a school. You see LSU only ranks third on the quantity list, but overall quality is far and away the best in the conference so far.

Unfortunately for Kentucky, they don’t fare well in this comparison right now. The top dogs in conference will always be well ahead of anything Kentucky could accomplish. Competing with Nick Saban at Alabama or Les Miles at LSU just isn’t going to happen. But take a look at what James Franklin at Vanderbilt has done in just his second year as head coach. Thursday he picked up a commitment from his fourth four-star recruit, a defensive tackle from Georgia who also had UK on his final list. Whatever he has building down there must be pretty enticing.

Fortunately for Kentucky, there is still a lot of time to get kids signed on. The Cats are currently in the mix for a long list of players, including ten four-star recruits for 2013. The pressure is on, and what Franklin has going on down in Nashville is reason enough to expect more. Joker Phillips pulled in a solid class for 2012, so maybe he’s saving the best of this class for last.

Article written by Stuart Hammer

B.S. Broadcast Journalism from the University of Kentucky. @StuartHammerKSR

28 Comments for SEC commitment comparison



  1. Chad
    3:05 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    So basically you are telling us that a team without a head coach is beating us in recruiting.



  2. concerned
    3:07 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    So basically what you are trying to tell us is – here is yet another area of The Joke(r)’s job that he is not succeeding at? Correct?

    But some on here will think he deserves 10 years to get it his way. If he can’t recruit by now, he’s never gonna be able to recruit. Mitch, do the right thing (for The Joke(r) too).



  3. UKGRAD
    3:10 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    It’s nice to know that we have exactly ZERO 4 star recruits, the only team in the conference with ZERO! At least we are leading the conference in 0, 1 and 2 stars!



  4. Hmmmm
    3:25 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    Yet, all we hear elsewhere is that Joker is compiling the best talent ever seen at UK. Really?



  5. Hmmmm
    3:28 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    The worst part is ust how out of the picture we are. The four teams directly ahead of us are all within about a tenth and then the big drop of six tenths to us. Not only are we dead last, but not even within sniffing distance of changing that.



  6. Mike
    3:29 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    In addition to the shock of how well Vandy is doing in recruiting is the disgusting fact that both MSU and Ole Miss out recruit us. It’s the COACHING stupid!!



  7. Don Corleone
    3:35 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    Joker cazzo succhia reclutamento.



  8. James Franklin
    3:37 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    Why are you all talking about me so much lately?



  9. Kentucky Gentleman
    3:38 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    A lot of this has to do with the fact that Kentucky is just not a good state for high school football talent. Most kids want to stay in-state and represent their state. Most kids that come to UK from out of state only come because they could not get an offer from their state school.

    Also, in no way was this written to defend Joker.



  10. Pu
    3:39 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    There are 5 SEC schools with as many or more 3 star recruits than we have total recruits. And LSU has 3 more 4 star recruits than we have total. The only reason I can think of that Joker might be doing this (besides his inability to recruit against the SEC) is that he’s tanking seasons for a high draft pick. He DOES know we don’t just pick a player when it’s our turn, right?..



  11. jcatron
    3:40 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    Franklin will be UK’s coach next year.



  12. a football dummy
    3:44 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    wait we havent every had 3 star player that was great have we. we have never won a game cause we get 3 star players



  13. beat
    3:51 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    That Franklin guy is Hal mumme, nephew and is going to get vandy on probation soon… At least we know joker isn’t cheating if he is he ain’t very good at it



  14. Logic
    3:52 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    Why include Louisville – every recruit they go after is told by other schools they soon won’t even be a BCS school (prob true too)….so pretty poor measure. These numbers don’t get it done at any level. No, we don’t produce a lot of D1 talent in state but there aren’t many D1 schools here either. Fact is we aren’t keeping good D1 in-state talent in state and if the school would commit to FB this would not be the case. The 27%ers know this and their ranks will grow if nothing changes.



  15. JDH
    3:53 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink


  16. Hal Mumme
    3:54 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    This is Joker’s last year. Hopefully the next coach can recruit a little and at least make us competitive. UK Football is the “Joke” of the SEC and its coach is a “Joker”… how fitting.



  17. JayCee
    3:58 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    11- No. Uk won’t even pay a coach like Franklin’s salary, much less the buyout to get him, which is nearly $20 million.



  18. schwing
    3:59 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    words to never mention again on this site:

    1. james
    2. franklin



  19. Joker
    4:04 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    I wish I was generating the amount of buzz James Franklin is. I wish other teams’ blog sites were posting about me.

    I mean, how is he getting all these players? I have yet to see the first ice cream truck or swimming pool in any of Vandy’s preseason camp vids.



  20. I Still Believe
    4:14 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    If ranking systems grade the same, compare our most recent classes to the latter ones. Not as many studs (i.e. Micah Johnson – 91), but more quality depth (grades of 75 and above on ESPN). Joker seems like great guy and I cheer for him, but there should be less holes on offense and defense than in the past. Last year was bad, hopefully depth becomes apparent this year, no excuses about talent. I don’t see recruiting as the problem. Go cats.



  21. Pu
    4:17 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    12) I get your point. Sometimes a player without many (or any..)stars behind their name turns out to be great. Randall Cobb comes to mind. But Joker didn’t recruit him because he knew he was going to be the payer he turned out to be, Joker recruited (and landed) him because he was the best player that no other BCS school was going after. Would Joker have even been in the conversation if FL or AL were recruiting him? TN didn’t start recruiting him until it was too late. This was a great pick-up for Joker, no doubt. But players like Randall Cobb are the exception to the rule.



  22. Troopertim
    7:16 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    Am I looking at this wrong? KY ‘s total 26 not 28.



  23. Beavis
    7:25 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    Sometimes there is not a lot of difference in the 3 star guys and the 4 star recruits. It is the coaching staff that makes the difference. When we have a coach that in November is still trying to put players in a position so they can help the team,,,contrast that to the coaches that make those decisions before the season starts.



  24. BlueBallin'
    7:28 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    And ‘The Courtship of James Franklin’ continues…



  25. putinrichie
    9:43 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    I guarantee that James Franklin will NOT coach at UK. All of you sunshine pumpers need to take him off of your list. Why would he go from a school that is perceived as worst in the SEC to a school that is perceived as second worst in the SEC?? Thats not even a step up. Even if UK shelled out the money that would be career suicide because he could get a better job than UK.



  26. question
    10:02 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    Is my math wrong or should ky only have 26 stars?



  27. STEVE!
    11:38 pm August 17, 2012 Permalink

    Stuart, you claim “Joker Phillips pulled in a solid class for 2012”. Please quantify “solid class” using the same system you used in this article. How did it compare to the other 13 SEC schools? Thanks.



  28. Sikntard of Mediocrity
    1:00 pm August 18, 2012 Permalink

    I am sick and tired of this sight continually telling us we will never compete with Alabama or LSU. That’s just BS! There is no reason why we can’t – plenty of reasons why we DON’T but NO reason why we CAN’T. In the very same paragraph you tell us we never will and then act astonished that Franklin is doing amazing things on the recruiting trail for the worst program in the conference. We have so much more to offer a recruit than Vanderbilt EVER could. Franklin’s success should be evidence enough that we can compete… if we get our act together. We do NOT have to settle for Mediocre and you people should be ashamed to think we do!