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Penn State to Vacate Over a Decade of Football

According to NCAA President Mark Emmert, Penn State will receive the following punishments:

 

-$60 million fine (NOT going to NCAA, but rather to support endowments for hurt children)

-Four year bowl ban

-Reduction of yearly scholarships from 25 to 15 over four years

-Allow entering or returning football players immediate transfer without needing to sit out a year

-NCAA vacates ALL wins from ’98 to 2011

-Five year probation

-NCAA reserves right to initiate formal investigation/disciplinary processes after criminal proceedings

-Other corrective actions (formal reforms, independent athletics integrity monitor to report to conference authorities)

 

Likely the vacation of over a decade’s worth of football is the “unprecedented” sanction, as well as the $60 million fine, which is equivalent to a year’s worth of gross revenue.  Hopefully we can all move forward now, and never have to deal with something like this again.

Article written by Corey Nichols

89 Comments for Penn State to Vacate Over a Decade of Football



  1. Aaron
    9:22 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    First



  2. JLivermore
    9:23 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    Does that make UK Outback Bowl champs?



  3. BILL
    9:23 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    The NCAA always punishes the students that had nothing to do with this.



  4. hammer
    9:23 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    i have been dropped



  5. BILL
    9:23 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    #2 no



  6. students
    9:24 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    we are free to go elsewhere to play football



  7. adam
    9:25 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    I need a ’98 Outback Bowl Champs shirt ASAP… Tim Couch is the man!



  8. harry
    9:25 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    #3 how does it punishes the students?



  9. Corey Nichols
    9:25 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    4 – The mic, too.



  10. Joker
    9:26 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    The perfect opportunity to get some new recruits.



  11. [email protected]
    9:27 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    This is a travesty. As much as Penn State deserves whatever happens to them, the NCAA has no jurisdiction over this case. This is a criminal and civil matter which the state courts of Pennsylvania should and will handle. Penn State should sue the pants off the NCAA, but they probably won’t. Problem is the public wants revenge and they don’t care who administers it. $60 million for an endowment for child abuse. What total BS. Maybe now Homeland Security can step in and levy some more punishment.



  12. JackB
    9:29 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    I don’t understand the nexus between PSU’s conduct and these penalties. nCAA has no rights under its rules to punish for this non football conduct.



  13. treeman74
    9:31 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    #11 I agree with you. A big overstep of authority. Remember this was a Mark Emmert move, not necessarily an NCAA move. Let the dictatorship begin. Keep in mind he really doesn’t like Cal or UK…….



  14. Bob
    9:32 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    That’s 111 wins vacated. That takes Paterno’s all-time wins down below 300.



  15. bluesince66
    9:33 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    Some of this happened at Penn State in the football facilities and then Penn State FOOTBALL people covered it up, so how is this not a football issue?



  16. Bob
    9:34 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    and 6 bowl wins vacated.



  17. JayCee
    9:34 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    14- good. That POS doesn’t deserve to beat Bear’s wins record.



  18. Steely Day
    9:35 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    Anybody know where I can get a 1998 Outback Bowl Champs shirt?



  19. capt
    9:35 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    11 and 13: right on.



  20. Hal Mumme
    9:35 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    Now that UK won the 98’Outback Bowl, do I have to vacate it as well??



  21. BBNontheFly
    9:37 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    I agree with #11 and others. This is the NCAA overstepping their limits. What happened was terrible, but they don’t have the authority to step in and levy penalties like this. They aren’t the governing body of Universities, they govern the Athletics only. What happened goes above and beyond the football team, thus out of the NCAA’s reach.



  22. PuhLease
    9:37 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    Non-football conduct? Sexual abuse by a Penn St football employee – retired but he was given full access to the stadium, tix, and his retirement is paid by them – how is this a non football issue?



  23. Jeremy
    9:38 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    That’s nuts that they got penalized all the way back to 98!



  24. Dear IU and UL, We are National Champs; you are not. The end.
    9:39 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    NCAA doesn’t seem to have the right to do this, but honestly Penn State needs to suffer a lot over this, so I don’t much care how it happens. So is the NCAA going to give back all the money they made off of Penn State?



  25. Bobby Bowden
    9:39 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    I’m all time wins leader now. Get on my level. I got that dad-gum statue removed too.



  26. bluesince66
    9:40 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    I think 98 was when the first allegation was made.



  27. Seriously?
    9:40 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    21 “they govern athletics only” – correct me if I’m wrong but did this not happen on the grounds of their football field, by a paid employee that the football admin gave full access to the stadium?



  28. Dud Wash
    9:40 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    15 – totally agree. While bowls bans, loss of revenue, etc.. does pale in comparison to what the real issue was, something had to be done to the football program itself. There is no way the NCAA would allow a Penn State team to march out on that field 5 weeks from now without ANY sanctions.



  29. Jeremy
    9:41 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    I’m glad they let the current team leave without having to sit a year though. I know if I was there id want out. usually the current team has to take on the punishment but not now



  30. PSUDefendersReally?
    9:42 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    Penn State University and its head coach ignored (and covered up) the fact that one of the football coaches was molesting children. The assistant football coaches are as much a part of athletics as the football players. Thus, the NCAA has jursidication to take steps which hopefully deter any other group of overly self-important coaches/administrators from making the same poor choices that JoePa and PSU officials made. It’s not about punishing PSU . . . it’s about making certain this doesn’t happen again. PSU is getting hit, it’s current players are getting hit, it’s not fair to them necessarily, but it should prevent it from happening again. That’s the typical way that we do things in this country.



  31. JayCee
    9:43 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    11- Lack of institutional control is well-defined and well in play here.

    Hence the removal of wins for 13 seasons. They protected the image of PSU football in order to keep winning by not reporting known crimes to the proper authorities. The NCAA’s foundation for LoIC is the damage that was never allowed to happen to the PSU brand due to lies and a cover-up by those in power.



  32. NOWAY
    9:44 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    WE WON THE OUTBACK BOWL!!!!
    NCAA said that PSU put JoePa Legacy above all….so they took it away.



  33. Outback Bowl
    9:45 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    before you rush out for those 98 Outback Bowl tees – wasn’t it 99? According to the Outback Bowl’s website it was.



  34. CatCrazy 4 Life
    9:45 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    All of those who say this is a non-football issue are very shallow in their thinking. This happened in football facilities and revolved around the football coach and the defensive coordinator. The NCAA does have the authority to punish for this under the rule of institutional misconduct and lack of institutional control. This does not even compare to the torment these children went through and will go through for the rest of their lives.May God comfort and strenghten those affected by this enormous tragedy!!!!!



  35. Scott Cooper
    9:46 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    They honestly deserved more. Anyone with a conscience at all would have went to the cops and turned Sandusky in if they had known. Paterno did not after knowing what he had known his wins should be vacated. PSU should also have to pay more. I believe they will be giving those schollies for 4 years away to brainiacs to have players in uniform period.



  36. Carl
    9:48 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    #20 too funny.

    The fact that Penn St. employees in the athletics dept and football facilities were used by the abuser made this an NCAA issue. There is a code of conduct that all member schools are supposed to adhere to. I think this is a message to all schools that think it’s OK to look the other way when your athletes or coaches violate NCAA rules or commit/cover up criminal acts.

    We have a great run going in basketball at Kentucky but I hope our administration would not behave like the administration and coaches at Penn St did if they become aware of this kind of activity.



  37. JayCee
    9:48 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    35- Oh, they’ll pay thru the nose.

    Civil lawsuits are to follow this. That will clean the cobwebs out of PSU’s coffers, for sure.



  38. harry
    9:49 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    -11 it will take me a long time to list reasons why NCAA needed to rule on this matter and punish PENN. Let me just state one :
    YOU ARE WRONG!



  39. Joker Phillips
    9:49 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    Well if I were worth a plug nickel I would get some of these transfers to come to play in Lexington. I will capitalize off the basketball program if I have to, but these players have to be better than what we got right now. The addition of some of their skill players would give me plenty of credibility as we move along. Kentucky is a major program right next to penn state in a major conference where they can compete. Please come here!



  40. John
    9:50 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    I hope Paterno burns in hell.



  41. treeman74
    9:52 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    I take issue with Mark Emmert basically circumventing procedure and dropping the hammer. The criminals involved will face justice, but the NCAA punishing the current and future athletes, who weren’t involved,seems a misplacement revenge. This situation is wrong on many levels I get that and my heart aches for those who were abused, but I’m concerned about the “Big Brother” mentality of the NCAA that this situation is fueling.



  42. kyngfish
    9:52 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    The football program and University should be punished to a degree, and yes there is some collateral damage, but it’s not like people stop graduating or that good football players can’t play somewhere else. One argument that can be made is whether or not small businesses will suffer, but I think that Penn State fandom has more than a 4-year lifetime and I think it might be a bit lean for some time, but they will survive.

    I hope that 60 million really does go to help kids and not to pay some administration.



  43. NCAA
    9:53 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    20 – no, because you weren’t forced to vacate anything except your job.



  44. Gridiron_cat
    9:54 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    For those who think the NCAA is overstepping bounds, keep in mind that this is NOT the end of the investigation. Penn St. will likely receive additional civil and criminal penalties. My understanding is that individuals involved could likely face the criminal penalties on an individual basis and the school and its athletic department could face civil penalties from the families themselves. PSU is in a LOT of trouble for this as they should be and may NEVER bounce back from this. The NCAA is enforcing their part first because it doesn’t require as much evidence to prove. From their perspective they were looking only at the fact that the members of the AD covered up a LOT of criminal activity over those years (ie – complete loss of institutional control). The FBI/local investigators will have to complete the remainder of their investigation before prosecuting and that could take some time, not to mention that I have NO idea what the statute of limitations is Federally for crimes like this so some of the evidence the NCAA was able to use may not be admissible in a criminal prosecution where an individual could serve jail time.



  45. Muzz
    9:55 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Outback_Bowl

    Already updated on Wikipedia… Fan Outfitters start printing up some shirts!!



  46. westerncat
    9:55 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    #34 very good points. I really think the death penality should have been given to football program for a number of years, how many years I don’t know.



  47. ukcat1
    9:57 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    And the winner is……………….Bobby Bowden



  48. treeman74
    9:57 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    If this would have happened in the Penn St. swimming program would the NCAA have gotten involved?



  49. what the what
    10:00 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    The NCAA tries to enforce way to much power. Yes, Penn State should burn for what they did, but they will burn in court. Everyone involved will receive criminal punishment. But the NCAA has no jurisdiction over criminal matters. Do they suspend players for drug dealing or usage? No. Schools do. If a player gets arrested for battery, does the NCAA suspend them? No. The school does. Why kick a school while it is already down. It’s bad enough those who are currently enrolled with most likely have their forced to leave, but a school recognized only for its football program will suffer greatly “without a football program”. I hate the NCAA and everything they stand for.



  50. Bob Sugar
    10:01 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    47) absolutely.. Bobby Bowden football’s equivalent to the basketball coach’s we despise (K, Knight, Williams) gets a little love from the NCAA.



  51. what the what
    10:14 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    46) are you ignorant? do you have any idea what the death penalty does to a school. if you take away a storied program from a its school, it kills the university. watch espn’s 30 for 30 on SMU. you will change your opinion of the death penalty. after seeing what it did to that entire school, the NCAA vowed to never impose it again.



  52. Rick in Nash
    10:15 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    These penalties are absurd. The problem with Penn State is that Joe Paterno had too much power. People who could have, should have, spoken out, did not, for fear of retribution from the man behind the football curtain and his supporters. We all created this mess by believing what we were told, that Paterno was the closest thing to God on earth. Who are we to question his actions or his decisions? Do these penalties prevent this from happening again? No.

    Paterno had the power because he controlled the purse strings. This does nothing to prevent football programs from holding a university hostage. If the NCAA was serious about limiting the influence of sports within academic institutions, it would implement some sort of across board directive limiting the amount of money that schools can spend on sports, perhaps limiting it to a percentage of the schools total budget , maybe 5% or 10%, whatever is appropriate. Money is what builds the power base from which Paterno was able to protect Sandusky, and ultimately try to protect his own image. The NCAA won’t do this because it suffers from the same disease as Joe Paterno, building and protecting its own money stream.

    The so-called collateral damage from this decision is immense. Hundreds of small businesses that rely upon game day revenue will shut down. Janitors, secretaries, etc. will lose their jobs for lack of income. Other sports at Penn State will shut down for lack of funding that football provides. Present student athletes will be forced to start over at other schools. Will any of this provide comfort or solace to Sandusky’s victims or prevent it from happening to others? No

    Personally, I like Saban’s idea of using gameday at Penn State as a way to raise funds for victims, and victim organizations. Use this opportunity to build a better world, rather than punishing thousands of innocent collateral victims. Maybe the NCAA could finally start something constructive rather than wasting everyone’s time with ineffective punishments that do nothing but destroy its own reputation. The NCAA should be disbanded and the universities should start over.



  53. EVERYONE
    10:18 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    It will be hilarious when it happens to Calipari and UK



  54. bluesince66
    10:23 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    Yeah 53 Cal and his assistants are out abusing kids everyday. What a dumbass.



  55. DavenderCatTheSequel
    10:26 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    53) Me shoving #8 up your rectum is hilariouser



  56. jymbo
    10:26 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    PSU got what they deserved. We are talking about the lives of young children here. Those of you defending Joepa, wouldn’t argue if it happened to someone in their family. Eeryone protected San the prev, and continued to let him roam the facilities long after he wasn’t a coach. Think about the kids who were molested instead of a bunch of morons. Joepa only wanted the record over everyone and did anything to get it.
    I don’t like Emmett or the NCAA, but they got this one right.



  57. Scott Cooper
    10:28 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    Yea Cal helps the commonwealth more than people outside the state even knows. I swear the man should run for office after he is done at UK, which hopefully is another 15 years.



  58. blueneck
    10:28 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    52..how did JoePa have too much power and control of the money? He never got Saban or Miles money from them and gave much of it away anyway.

    The question is why does vacating go back to 1998? JoePa didn’t know about that case cause the accuser went straight to police and the attorney general (who is now the governor and over the Board of Trustees) chose not to press charges while investigating another political candidate. Much could have been avoided had he done his job.

    Frankly, the NCAA should not be involved in this as they are the biggest hypocrites of all.



  59. bluesince66
    10:32 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    If my memory is correct the university was going to do something in 98, but after the AD met with Paterno nothing was done. So that’s why they’re vacating to 98.



  60. cat4ever
    10:50 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    What happened at PSU is tragic and will affect the lives of many for years and the University will suffer significantly in years to come including financials, athletics, and credibility or reputation. And they should be punished for such negligence and abuse.

    However, the action by the NCAA serves only to remind us of their greatest strength, power to use punishment to whatever extent they deem necessary. They are as dysfunctional and self serving as our government and probably have less accountability. Too few with too much power and latitude to abuse it. Their decision is not serving the student athlete, but drawing attention to who they are and what they can impose.



  61. BlueHaze
    11:03 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    The NCAA really has no sense of comprehending the scope of what happened. A four year limited scholarship punishment and one year of football revenues? Really?

    Not much more than a slap on the wrist for an administration that covered up child molestation. SAD. Penn State’s players that played for PSU put a lot of blood sweat and tears into their accomplishments. The University should be the one that pays not the players from the past



  62. CarolinaCatFan
    11:32 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    Most of the penalties I have no problem with. I don’t really think the NCAA has the right to initiate a fine in this instance, especially one on the $60M level. Of course $60M will be a drop in the bucket when all of the lawsuits start coming in. All this did was give a bunch of lawyers a benchmark to shoot for.

    My biggest problem with the whole thing is that Emmert and the Executive Committe basically threw procedure out the window. It is just another example of inconsistent and capricious decision making on their part. It’s a shame PSU won’t challenge this in court. Someone needs to put the NCAA in their place.



  63. Jay Bilas
    11:38 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    The NCAA is a voluntary, rule-based organization that exists to ensure that participating institutions follow the guidelines set forth by them. They have decided to break their own rules by involving themselves in this tragedy at PSU. Their decision to get involved feels like a gut reaction to an awful situation and reeks of grandstanding. Another misguided penalty coming from the NCAA, this one from a criminal matter they have no business messing with.



  64. kybigblue
    11:39 am July 23, 2012 Permalink

    Does UK have any scholarships left for any player that may want to transfer from PSU? Because of the lack of scholarships players may not be able to transfer to the school of their choice. Too bad the players get hurt but Penn St. had to be punished.

    Bobby Bowden is the coach who wouldn’t bench a star player who got into trouble with the law because it could keep the other players from winning a championship or big game. At least he didn’t have anything to do with covering up a crime.



  65. bluebarnes
    12:01 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    The NCAA got involved because of lack of control from the people who ran the program and school. If Joe had done the only right thing there was to do when he became aware of the matter this would have been dealt with years ago. Instead he told Jerry you stay right here and keep doing what you are doing because I need you to win football games. The monster that Sandusky is is almost equaled by the monster Paterno’s is. We will win no matter what the cost. When you look at the Penn State mess I say give me Joker Phillips any way you want to look at it.



  66. Rick in Nash
    12:02 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    #58 According to Forbes magazine Penn State is/was the third richest football program in the country behind Texas and Notre Dame. I’m not sure how old the site is. Paterno, may not have had the biggest salary but he controlled the purse strings of the program and decided who got what, hence he had the power to stop anything he wanted to, or protect anybody he wanted to, including his own sacred image.
    #3. Pennsylvania State University Nittany Lions
    Current Value: $100 million
    Football Profit: $53 million
    Penn State joined Texas as the only two teams able to generate more than $50 million for their respective athletic departments.



  67. BigBlue
    12:02 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    The football program played a HUGE role in covering up the fact that children were being molested in their facilities. If the NCAA cannot punish a school for that I don’t know what!



  68. Bledsoe's Biceps
    12:17 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    I agree the NCAA had the right to impose penalties. I applaud the fact they vacated wins back to 98, since this has a direct impact on Paterno’s legacy. But I do hope they plan to use the $60 million in some way to address child abuse and/or the victims involved. That blood money should not be used to enrich the NCAA.



  69. Bledsoe's Biceps
    12:30 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    I just read an AP article that said….”The money must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at Penn State.” So at least the NCAA has no intent of enriching itself with the $60 million.



  70. Worldwide Wes
    1:03 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    Vacating all those wins is not a poor reflection on Paterno though, right? That has to be our position in the Bluegrass, right? Vacated wins dont mean the coach was responsible? Are those are current marching orders?



  71. BigBlue
    1:30 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    70) Who it would reflect on would depend on why the wins were vacated right? If you are comparing why coach Cal’s final four at Memphis and UMass were vacated with the current situation at Penn St. you are one of the dumbest human beings on the planet.



  72. Brian
    1:30 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    No ’98 Outback Bowl Championship for UK. According to all sources a vacated win by a team does not mean the losing team picks up that win. It has never worked that way.



  73. Worldwide Wes
    1:47 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    71, thanks for making it clear. I just wanted to make sure what our current position was as it relates to vacated wins. So we can still say without even a twinge of hypocrisy that it’s a poor reflection on all coaches not named John Calipari when it happens. Got it. That’s what I will continue doing then. I’ll keep saying vacated wins are always embarrassing reprimands on a coach’s legacy except in the two cases in Memphis and UMass. Make sure the rest of BBNation knows that’s our position today so we’re all on the same page.



  74. This Sucks
    1:49 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    every body leaves out that Sandusky was investigated in 1998 and no charges were brought. The police failed not Paterno. If PSU had went Public then Sandusky would have sued their asses of. their was a total failure here but the blame is being thrown n the wronge place only because Paterno was famous. LIke it or not he told is superiors what he knew legally that was as far as he could go.



  75. Worldwide Wes
    1:58 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    74, I respect your support for Joe, but the position you just expressed seems very dated and wrong if you actually read the Freeh report. For the last nine months, it has seemed like Joe was confused about what happened and put the facts in the hands of responsible folks, trusting they would make the right choice. But the Freeh report says otherwise. Freeh says Joe and others had a greater understanding of the monster among them and made the conscious choice to NOT do what was right because of what such a scandel would do to the university and the program.

    Those are not the actions of a man to be admired.



  76. Are you kidding?
    2:05 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    I can’t believe someone just compared Derrick Rose cheating on his high school test and Marcus Camby taking money from an agent to a decade long child molestation cover-up…you’re sick bro



  77. This Sucks
    2:07 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    That is my hole point. in NCAA has acted solely on the report of one man. It may be right but he may have a agenda too. The report was just gave last week I don’t think it has been objected to any investigation yet. The Paterno Family has said the same.. This is all for show. The Media has made a mockery of this whole situation and the NCAA has made a knee jerk reaction with no due process or even the benefit of a hearing.



  78. Rick in Nash
    2:10 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    75, I agree with everything you wrote except I believe Joe ultimately squashed reporting the abuse because of what the scandal would do to his personal legacy.



  79. BigBlue
    3:43 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    There are a lot of people that are STILL more worried about Joe Paterno’s ‘legacy’ and Penn State football’s image then the VICTIMS of the horrific crimes that took place on their campus and were covered up (not reported to law enforcement) by the coach and university officials. Then there are others that are somehow looking to liken this situation with vacated FF’s at Memphis and UMass…there are a lot of confused folks out there.



  80. Beavis
    3:49 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    What about the current players and the recruits that had nothing to do with this ???? Fine the heck out of them,,,fire all involved,,,,but punish the players that are there now,,,,help me out here.



  81. Worldwide Wes
    3:52 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    77, you gotta let it go, man. I know this is Kentucky and we have been programmed over the last three years to believe the NCAA just picks on coaches because they are good, but there’s no logical explanation for what you are saying. The Freeh report does not represent the finding of “one man”. It represents the findings of an entire group of some of the greatest investigative minds Penn State could find. The fact that Sandusky brought boys to PSU practices less than a year ago is something that simply can’t be explained unless you at least concede Paterno and others were enablers.

    That’s the best you can do with JoePa, call him an enabler. And that’s only if you give him the benefit of the doubt on every point and believe that the Freeh report had some kind of an agenda. The best case scenario for JoePa is that he’s an enabler of of a man who raped children for over a decade.

    And “due process” relates to the law. Nothing has been done to Joe Paterno related to the Judicial Branch of our government, so “due process” is not applicable here. “Innocent until proven guilty” is only guaranteed in the court room. It’s why if someone is charged with stealing, a bank doesnt let them show up for work the next day even if they have not been convicted of the crime. Same here. PSU, the NCAA and commenters on message boards are free to make up their minds about what Joe did/didnt do and should/shouldnt have done. The facts are overwhelming that he didnt do enough and should have done more. I don’t need “due process” to tell me that and neither do the folks who rightly made the call to take down that statue.



  82. This Sucks
    4:19 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    I have young childern of my own so in no way would I compair this to the vacated years of Cal. I’m not even saying that the penalty is wrong. I’m saying this is a knee jerk reaction because never in the history of the NCAA has such a penalty being given with out a hearing. This is according to the NCAA separate from the Sandusky case. Baylor basketball had a case very similar and on par with this if not worrest because of the death of a player were was the NCAA then. This is bias and a case of the NCAA saving face they have done the same as PSU trying to cover Theirselves. Do you really believe the NCAA had the victims in mind?



  83. 14 years
    5:02 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    They allow children to be sexually abused for 14 years when they could have stopped it in 1998. They deserve anything they get!!!



  84. Beavis
    5:49 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    They deserve harsh penalties,,,,from the university president down. But when you say the football program is at fault,,,,you are including everyone in the program. Are the current players at fault also ??? Why does Emmert always look like he just floated up from the bottom of the bowl????



  85. This Sucks
    5:58 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    #83 No the Police allowed it to happen. They didn’t charge him handcuffing PSU. Let’s put the blame were it belongs with Sandusky and the police who didn’t charge him.



  86. 14 years
    6:05 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    85, not true. The police can’t do their jobs when people with information conceal the facts and cover up the criminal activity happening inside their own locker rooms!!



  87. This Sucks
    6:25 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    #88 That’s not true because even by the freed report PAterno didn’t know untill 2001. The attorney General and police dropped the ball. In 1998 the the University wasn’t even involved so check your facts.



  88. #88
    6:57 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    #87…it’s so cool how you can see into the minds of future posters



  89. tomcat2012
    7:24 pm July 23, 2012 Permalink

    I wonder how many PSU players Emmertt thinks will transfer to OSU?