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No Violation Found at Duke…NCAA Hypocrisy Continues

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I will make this short and sweet. Today the NCAA found Duke to have violated no rules in the Lance Thomas investigation. For those of you that have forgotten the case, Thomas got a loan of over $60,000 to buy jewelry, even though he had no assets to speak of and such loans based upon mythical “future earnings” (he didn’t pay it back) are against NCAA rules. However Thomas and the jeweler (after a private settlement) refused to talk to the NCAA, and the NCAA said that based upon “the information available”, they could find no wrong doing.

Now don’t get me wrong…investigations like this are silly and I am sure such loans occur everywhere. But the reality of the situation is clear. Duke got off because they are Duke. The NCAA was unable to find a violation because the silence of Thomas and others gave it no proof. However in similar situations (such as with Derrick Rose and his refusal to talk about his SAT score from Memphis), the lack of talk led to a notion of “strict liability” and the assumption of guilt. Why? Because one involves Duke and the other does not.

The NCAA is a hypocritical organization. Their rules are horribly outdated, ultimately unenforceable and inconsistently applied. Because each investigation is viewed singularly, and no precedent is used from case to case, there is no way for schools to be treated equally or fairly. You will never convince me that if this had been any other school not named Duke, a violation would not have been found. But like in the UNC academic scandal, if it is a prize in the eye of the NCAA, all is forgiven. A system premised upon the principle of making money for itself at the expense of allowing any financial reward to the players that actually play the game, while supporting the system with silly rules it intentionally applies inconsistently, while not permitting any level of oversight from an outside body. Your modern NCAA enforcement process.

Article written by Matt Jones

59 Comments for No Violation Found at Duke…NCAA Hypocrisy Continues



  1. Rand Paul's Head Squirrel
    4:34 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Hey Matt where is that picture of the Waddy Werewolf you were going to tweet out.



  2. JKPRO420
    4:36 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Matt,

    Hate to say it but you know UK is just as big of a name as UNC or DUKE… and the same thing could of easily happened at UK. Bottom line, NCAA is a joke and nothing surprises me anymore from them.



  3. Blueston
    4:38 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    And Matt Jones went to Duke… so you are either sleeping with the enemy or just sold your soul.



  4. Ross
    4:39 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Furthermore…. Why do other media outlets who love juicy stories not cover this or otherwise blow the cover off of it? Such as ESPN, their OTL segment surely loves these types of issues but has yet to cover it or the Cory Maggette story… and why? Because ESPN is filled with North Carolina and Duke Grads.. they wouldn’t dream of doing an expose on their own school. But UK is always under the microscope… I guess when your best that’s what you come to expect.



  5. sterve
    4:39 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    2. Yeah, UK is a BIGGER name than Duke, but that doesn’t mean they will be favored. The NCAA will go out of their way to find a violation against Kentucky. Both programs are huge, but the difference is the NCAA is on some Duke nuts and they HATE uk



  6. DLN
    4:41 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    If this had been UK the shit would have hit the fan. The NCAA would have used UK to make an example of us, and besides, every non-UK fan would be screaming down their throats for us to be punished even if nothing wrong was done. The NCAA is a hypocritical and extremely biased committee, and it would not at all surprise me to learn some members of their in house board had money tied up in certain schools.

    Basically, if you’re not UNC or Duke, you’re screwed. If you’re UK, you have the biggest bullseye on your back.

    How Cal puts up with this and still runs an immaculate program is a testament to his ability.



  7. Dee
    4:42 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    ——— Mark A. Emmert “it appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds”….quoting Doc Holliday.



  8. brain
    4:43 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    The ncaa really is a joke. Hypocracy at it’s finest.



  9. Women Everywhere
    4:43 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Authority, not truth, makes law. Hobbes.



  10. LionGeneral
    4:46 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    What if it had been UNC?



  11. dave
    4:48 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    memphis/derrick rose, ncaa runner-up: dont talk about high school issues = vacated
    duke/lance thomas, ncaa winner: dont talk about college amateurism issue = nothing
    enes/uk: openly talks about expenses and offers to pay them back = permanently banned

    i see a pattern?



  12. SteffenWildcat
    4:57 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    I’m sure Lance is a very fine young man, but Duke is a bunch of cheaters. I still can’t get over the Corey Magette incident. WILDCAT FOR LIFE!



  13. buII shIt
    4:59 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    here’s the number to the ncaa compliance dept.1-317-917-6222 good luck on talking to anyone. Some can get away with murder, some rape, some false classes with one student enrolled. I think it’s time to abandon a system that’s corrupted(about the same as our government) Time to take it down.



  14. SCOTTIE
    5:02 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    SteffenWildcat-you are a tool. The Maggette incident happened FIFTEEN YEARS ago man. Time to let it go. I cant get over the fact that Duke beat Kentucky this year, with the apparent second best recruiting class in the country.



  15. Kristen Geil's Abs
    5:03 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    I’ve got a 6-pack to bet the NCAA isn’t around in 10 years.



  16. UKBlue1!
    5:05 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    #2 UK is viewed as a Bastard child. The NCAA,Thamel and Forde are just looking for one little smell. If they find it they will be on it like flies on Poop. Duke, UNC and favorites get a blind eye or slap on the wrist. If UK gets caught doing anything, the NCAA will do its best to cripple the program for several years.



  17. Don Corleone
    5:06 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Looks like Jason Collins to me.^



  18. Chaz
    5:08 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Matt, as a Duke grad, do you have any shareable insight to explain why? Why could Laettner stomp on Timberlake without penalty? Why are obvious flops ignored? Why can a Duke basketball player have such a line of credit with a prominent jeweler while still in college? Why do they get such good placement every NCAA tourney? Why do the Duke Crazies get away with “how’s your grandma chant?”?

    Honestly, this is not an anti-Duke post, I just wonder how many levels of standards the NCAA has in their style book.



  19. OhWell
    5:09 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    THey were trained well to keep their mouth shut! In the Enes situation unfortunatly the people who paid him wanted to burn him at the stake because he left them hanging to come play ball in the states! I agree there is no consistency in the NCAA decision making and that needs to be changed, but dont come on here crying about how unfair we are treated makes us sound like a bunch of bitche$!



  20. Bunzz30
    5:14 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    And they will continue to be Hypocrites until the University Presidents and Conference Commissioners get together and secede from the NCAA, or there is a viable class action lawsuit that forces them to do otherwise. Both of which, I hope happen real soon…



  21. Han
    5:25 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    20) Well, then, all UNC has to do is continue to say they’ve already revealed all the wrongdoing and punished the guilty and they will be in the clear.

    Good ole NCAA. The only time they’re consistent is in protecting their favorites and going after their scapegoats.



  22. Mark Emmert
    5:26 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Nothing to see here, folks! Move along. Nothing to see here!



  23. Lopsided
    5:30 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Storis like this only frustrated me even more when I have to hear about Coach Cal “cheating” from other fan bases! They should read enough of these stories to realize that the NCAA is NOT a fair system! Just don’t even get me started! NCAA needs to start from scratch with its personnel. SORRY B*STARDS!



  24. SCOTTIE
    5:33 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Wish I could let go of my penchant for throwing rocks at small dogs.



  25. STEVE!
    5:36 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Meanwhile, the St. Mary’s Gaels get 4 years probation for “failure to monitor its basketball program” because of actions of a former assistant.



  26. John
    5:36 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Has the NCAA gotten anything right in the last 5 or 10 years?



  27. Blake
    5:41 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Totally agree Matt. As a law student, I took the then head of the NCAA legal team’s class on Amateur Sports Law at Indiana University in Indianapolis. That also just so happened to be the year that Enes Kanter was deemed ineligible even though Cam Newton was allowed to maintain his amateur status. It still amazes me that the NCAA does not have to follow its own precedent. After a semester of listening to attorney Scott Bearby’s crap, I can personally attest to the NCAA’s unrelenting bias and complete lack of consistency. When challenged, Mr. Bearby’s response was to kick me out of the class, which actually happened quite frequently.



  28. serdi
    5:48 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    The NCAA is run just like its owners, an academic institution. Universities operate just like the NCAA. No accountability, make rules up as they go, enforce their 4,000 page rule book where it helps them, ignores it where they want to help someone else, leaving carnage behind, ruining lives, careers,….makes no matter to them.

    What’s wrong with the NCAA, the United States academic structure that’s what.



  29. Agree
    5:50 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    @ #18, Chaz. I TOTALLY agee. You hit the nail on the head! Why do all the other colleges beside UNC and Duke put up with this crap from the NCAA???? May be it’s time to mutiny! IF UNC and Duke like them so much, let them stay under NCAA rules and everyone else start another association and leave them in the dust!



  30. mark
    6:17 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    N. Carolina got by with ten years of academic fraud , ten years unreal. N Carolina and Duke get by with stuff others wouldnt . Uconn had to sit out tourney because of grades. They needed more N Carolina Arican American Study classes.



  31. KY Realist
    6:24 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    As long as Uncle Wes is hand delivering kids to uk and is not behind bars, UK fans should keep their man pleasers shut.



  32. Jay Bilas
    6:30 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Why am I not tweeting about the NCAA’s hypocrisy like I do with every other case? Oh, that’s right. Because it involves my beloved Blue Devils this time.



  33. GD
    6:31 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    It’s also funny that ESPN does not have this story on their front page. You have to go into the Men’s BB page to see it. But you can sure read about the Omaha Beef indoor football team offering a QB job to Tim Tebow.



  34. bosshogg24
    6:42 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Ky Realist, it is safe to say that Wes has never delivered a kid to UK, only in your dreams!



  35. MTCat
    6:47 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    While I understand that Duke is favored by the NCAA, I have to disagree with the comment you made regarding the Rose case. Rose was not found ineligible because he refused to talk, he was found ineligible because the ETS invalidated his test score (because he didn’t respond to their suspicions, they had no proof that he didn’t take the test himself). Since he had no SAT score, the NCAA had to declare him academically ineligible. Now, what they did to Memphis, in the name of “strict liability” which had not been used in the Maggette case, was a true and obvious miscarriage of justice, i.e. Duke was found to not have known about Maggette, while Memphis was not found to have known about Rose.



  36. Bcat1
    6:55 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Now you know Mighty Mike would never let any wrong doings happen at Duke.



  37. Dave
    7:17 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    That is not how I remember the NCAA acting in the Mill/Manuel sanctions. The burden of proof as I remember was that the NCAA brought the accusations up to UK. The NCAA did not have to proof UK erred. It was the other way around. UK or Mills, Manuel, Casey etc. had to proof they were not guilty. So if any of these people failed to speak they had not proved the accusations wrong and therefore were guilty.

    The same should be done with this Duke player.
    I never could understand this back in Sutton’s era. In criminal law the prosecution must proof’beyond a reasonable doubt and civil proceedings use ‘a preponderance of evidence’.
    That is what I hate about the NCAA. If reasonable doubt persuaded jurors in OJ trial evidence was not handled right then what are the chances this box miraculously popped open? What are chances a UCLA stooge planted that money?
    The way I remember was that Dwayne Casey had burden of proving he did not send that money in that package.
    So, at what point did things change and this Duke character does not have to proof he is innocent? Wasn’t that the case with Enes Kanter. He had the burden of proving his innocence.
    To me the Mills thing defied common sense. I do not doubt that most if not all of 330 or so major colleges give money to recruits. In cash in a room with just the coach and recruit that would be hard to proof. These recruiters fly constantly. I am sure they have plenty of face time to hand over cash. Who would ever send cash in a Emory box. I work to hard for my money to not be positive the recipient is indeed receiving the money.
    Thomas should be proving he did not receive the loan.



  38. UK FAN
    7:24 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    I thought all college kids had 30k laying around to put a down payment on Jewelry.



  39. Josh
    7:29 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Wow again just proves to me that the NCAA’s “authority” is a big joke, if schools told them to stick what authority do they actually have? If this was UK they would have crucified us or more likely given our program the death sentence.



  40. Ryan
    7:32 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Or you know that whole Lance Thomas and Kyle Singler started a design business their senior year, so he did in fact have income that could be considered, or his parents were actually pretty well off so they could have been seen as guarantors. Nice reporting there Pete Thamel.



  41. thadogg1119
    7:35 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    The NCAA is a governing body that makes its own rules and then regulates it’s self as far as do they follow those rules. About the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.



  42. dave
    8:05 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    40-totally agree. wait, well except for the kid who made a song & then posted it to youtube to pay for the expenses of making said song only to have ncaa deem in ineligible as a wrestler.
    seems like youre making the case for duke being a even special-er case of bulls***
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-april-11-2013/the-ncaa-s-perfectly-fair-rules



  43. soggyUKgrad
    8:22 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    #31 is your name Andy?? I know a guy named Andy who is INFATUATED with Worldwide Wes and has convinced himself that Wes has been paying players to come to UK. You sound like him…completely ignorant and irrational.



  44. KT
    8:23 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    WTF. NCAA=joke.



  45. The U
    8:26 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Meanwhile the NCAA will break their own rules, conduct themselves unethically, partner with a convicted felon jock sniffer, and basically break the law in order to pursue a case against the University of Miami while Duke receives no penalty.



  46. Jc#1
    8:41 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Mark Emmert and the NCAA are a bunch of left wing liberals.You would think that the NCAA and the Obama administration was the same people. Emmert will probably take Jason Collins shopping for some new fingernail polish.



  47. Bill
    8:56 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Duke sucks!



  48. Jc#2
    8:58 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Mark Emmert and the NCAA are a bunch of right wing Tea Party members, aka the American Taliban. They don’t believe in government but love to govern people’s personal lives. Emmert will probably take Mitt Romney skeet shooting or something.



  49. caveman2
    9:06 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    One set of rules for Duke and UNC* and one set of rules for everyone else. It is pretty simple. Magette may have been 15 years ago but it is a fine example and now Lance gives us two nice fat examples. You Duke and UNC* guys pretend to be all high and mighty but your just pathetic weasels.



  50. caveman2
    9:07 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    Could we get a comment from Corey Nichols on this and the UNC* Athletic/academic scandal?



  51. Jeff
    9:13 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    If I were a 20 year old college kid then I would go to this jewelry store: apply for a loan and if I were denied then I would sue for discrimination and use Lance Thomas as an example.



  52. JC#
    11:06 pm April 30, 2013 Permalink

    #49 Emmert said you could go too but you will have to ride in the back with Tom Crean.Emmert said you can watch The Tooth Fairy on the DVD player since you like fairies.



  53. unknown
    12:59 am May 1, 2013 Permalink

    Matt, you do realize that your complaining about the NCAA’s hypocrisy is, well, hypocritical, no? As much as you lament the NCAA for wanting to protect and look out for certain schools, they do the same for Kentucky, another of “prize” of the NCAA.

    You sound like a 15 year old girl crying about losing her boyfriend to another chick the way you complain incessantly about things of this nature.



  54. Waaaaaa!
    5:42 am May 1, 2013 Permalink

    Waaaaaaaa! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa! boo hoo



  55. Katbluefan
    6:53 am May 1, 2013 Permalink

    REALLY…..REALLY…..Did anyone think that the NCAA would find anything wrong with a Puke player having $60,000.00 laying around to purchase jewelry. They didn’t find anything wrong with Corey Maggette playing after getting paid. Just because Coach Nose has his long beak up the NCAA’s rear is why Puke get’s by with so much. His day will come just like John Wooden’s did at UCLA and we find that he someone taking care of all his cheating just like Wooden did. Maybe he has a “Poppa Sam Gilbert” person doing it for him ?????



  56. KT
    7:49 am May 1, 2013 Permalink

    @Katbluefan – Last I checked UCLA has never lost any championships or games from the Gilbert era.



  57. Zach
    1:47 pm May 1, 2013 Permalink

    I’m confused by this post, I thought UK fans and the writers for KSR liked Duke now. It sure did seem that way based on your overwhelming support of Duke when they played Louisville in the Elite 8. Surely you guys have not started hating on Duke again. Bless you Christian Laettner!!! I thought all was forgiven!!!



  58. Katbluefan
    6:23 pm May 1, 2013 Permalink

    #57…KT…You are correct…Wooden didn’t loose any Championships while Poppa Sam was buying his players for him, but when he announced his retirement before playing KY that was his swan song. A few yrs later the NCAA busted UCLA for rules violation but made SURE Wooden wasn’t involved. Read Bill Walton’s book he tells a lot and I saw a lot living in So. Cal in the late 60’s/early 70’s.



  59. sonny
    10:37 pm May 1, 2013 Permalink

    I love that the NCAA lets the dukies and unc cheat.The whole world knows that duke and unc have to cheat to compete and the whole worlkd know the ncaa is worthlesss as hell. LOL