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Jerry Hale’s Thursdays News & Views

12-year-old Jerry Hale

Tonight, we honor a UK great and a piece of cake. No, not just Julius Randle and his mother’s beloved red velvet cake, which we’ll get to later, but former UK player Jerry Hale and a special piece of cake that to this day, remains uneaten. On March 7, 1966, a 12-year-old Hale and his father went to a UK game at Memorial Coliseum after Rupp’s Runts had just been voted the #1 team in the nation. There was a six-foot tall cake to celebrate the occasion, and everyone was invited to come take a piece. Jerry took his piece and went back in to the stands, where he wrapped it in a napkin and refused to eat it. Why? Jerry told his dad that he wasn’t going to eat the cake until “the day I sign a scholarship to play basketball at the University of Kentucky.”

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Thanks to Jerry’s family for the pictures, and Denny Trease’s “Tales from the Kentucky Hardwood” for some of the background info.

Five years later, he was offered that scholarship, and when his family got the piece of cake from the freezer for him to eat, he still refused, saying that instead, he would save the piece until “my team wins another national championship for the University of Kentucky.” Hale was a member of Joe B. Hall’s infamous “Super Kittens” squad that went to the Final Four in Jerry’s senior year, but fell to UCLA in the Championship game. To this day, that piece of cake remains uneaten. You want proof? Check out the third picture on the right.

On Wednesday, Jerry Hale turned 60 years old. Happy birthday, Jerry. I hope you had some cake. Just not that cake. Because that would be gross.

How some red velvet cake?


On Wednesday at 1:17 p.m., the Big Blue Nation was finally able to move past Kentucky’s disappointing loss to Robert Morris in the NIT and look toward the future, which will now include the #1 power forward in the country, Julius Randle. Randle committed to Kentucky over Kansas, Texas and Florida, and despite some late reports, seems to have known where he was going for some time. Randle’s smile as he donned his well-worn UK cap not only signaled the end of an exhausting recruitment for him, but the end of a painful season for Kentucky fans. Is Randle the solution to all of Kentucky’s problems? Of course not, but he joins what is already the most talented incoming freshman class in the history of college basketball, even without Andrew Wiggins. Currently in Kentucky’s 2013 stable:

#1 Point Guard — Andrew Harrison
#1 Shooting Guard — Aaron Harrison
#1 Power Forward — Julius Randle
#1 Center — Dakari Johnson
#3 Small Forward — James Young
#9 Power Forward — Marcus Lee
#41 Power Forward — Derek Willis

Kentucky is the first school in history to have 6 McDonald’s All-Americans in one class. ESPN’s Chad ford said that if Andrew Wiggins joins the team, they will have the “greatest collection of college talent every assembled in the history of the game.” While many would argue they already have that without Wiggins, Ford went on to say that “it’s possible that UK could have seven first rounders in 2014. Eight if Wiggins joins.” Whoa.

But what about scholarships?

Everyone just needs to stop worrying about scholarships. Nerlens Noel is currently projected to go anywhere from second to fifth in the NBA Draft. If his recovery goes well and he is the ONLY player to leave for the NBA, here are the players whose scholarships are guaranteed for next season:

1. Kyle Wiltjer
2. Ryan Harrow
3. Archie Goodwin
4. Alex Poythres
5. Willie Cauley-Stein
6. Andrew Harrison
7. Aaron Harrison
8. Marcus Lee
9. Derek Willis
10. James Young
11. Dakari Johnson
12. Julius Randle

What about Jon Hood and Jarrod Polson?

Both Hood and Polson are on track to graduate in May, but still have eligibility remaining, so if they want to stay on the team, they’ll have to take graduate courses. Polson was a preferred walk-on to begin with, which means a scholarship was never a guarantee, and if the worst case scenario happened where there were no scholarships remaining, I don’t see Jon or Jarrod being upset with accepting a walk-on spot for what will likely be another championship run. That leaves room for Andrew Wiggins, Aaron Gordon, and/or Dominique Hawkins. At this point, I think Gordon will stay on the West Coast, but with Cal, you never know.

The addition of Julius Randle is exciting enough on its own, but when you consider that some of the current freshmen may return, it’s staggering. While Alex, Archie, Ryan and Willie’s desire to return is heartening, we have to take it with a grain of salt until each has had time to meet with Cal and their families to fully evaluate their futures. BUT, if we’ve learned anything this season, it’s that it takes a certain recipe for Cal’s system to work. You have to have three things: 1) mature AND talented freshmen; 2) an elite point guard; and 3) veterans to provide leadership. This year, we pretty much failed on all three. We had talented but immature freshmen, a point guard who struggled with the spotlight, and only one veteran who stepped up in Julius Mays, when everyone expected it to be Kyle Witljer. Some players showed heart down the stretch–Archie, Willie, Jarrod, Jon, and Julius–but, it just wasn’t the right mix. Give those three freshmen another year to mature and fight for playing time, and I think they might surprise you. And if Nerlens comes back? Good grief. This year will be a faint and distant memory.

On Wednesday night, Pat Forde wrote a column in which he said that Kentucky is at its lowest point in 24 years, or since probation. I beg to differ. First of all, did Pat buy too many rounds at the bar for his friends and forget about Billy Gillispie? Tuesday night stung, but with Julius Randle’s commitment, it is merely a blip on the radar. While the rest of the world turns their attention to basketball on Thursday, don’t be bitter the Cats aren’t in. Be excited for next season and terrified for our future opponents. If today’s site numbers are any indication, you already are.

— Cal didn’t waste any time getting back to work on Wednesday, hitting the road with Orlando Antigua to watch 2014 point guard Tyus Jones. Cal tweeted along the way that after stopping by St. Patrick’s Cathedral for Mass, he was going to grab some red velvet cake. Boom.

— Let’s not forget the football Cats, who went through their second spring football practice on Wednesday. Stoops said the practice was better than Monday, with better execution and a faster tempo. Max Smith said that the biggest difference from last season was a higher pace of play during practice and he’s looking forward to knocking off the rust. Offensive coordinator Neal Brown singled out WR DeMarco Robinson for his performance in practice so far, calling his “one of the most seasoned guys we have” at the spot.

Former Cat and current Denver Bronco Jacob Tamme stopped by practice to see how things were going Wednesday afternoon and tweeted a picture from Nutter of the ESPN GameDay set from their appearance in Lexington with the caption “Great to stop by & see @UKCoachStoops + staff today. Need to get this back on campus.” From the video that KyWildcatsTV posted earlier, it appears that former UK coach Guy Morriss stopped by as well.

UK’s PRO DAY is Thursday, which means that NFL scouts will come to the Nutter Field house to watch UK’s NFL prospects. Offensive linemen Larry Warford and Matt Smith are projected to be drafted, and Collins Ukwu, La’Rod King, Martavius Neloms, and others will be looking to impress. We’ll have coverage of it throughout the day.

That’s all for now. See you soon.

Article written by Mrs. Tyler Thompson

No, I will not make you a sandwich, but you can follow me on Twitter @MrsTylerKSR or email me.

131 Comments for Jerry Hale’s Thursdays News & Views

  1. uk1990
    11:08 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    November can’t get here soon enough

  2. Trey
    11:08 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    Heart really has to go to Brian Long and Sam Malone. After all the time, blood, sweat and tears these guys have given for the program these tow probably won’t be able to leech their way to another title </3

  3. igs11
    11:08 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    I think he’s 90% likely to go, but on the off-chance Noel came back, there wouldn’t actually be a scholarship for Wiggins

  4. crazycatfan
    11:15 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    Interesting Post! Thks!

  5. GoForIt
    11:15 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    3-ha ha just stop. Guess Cal would say sorry we don’t have the room for you. Stop it.

  6. crazycatfan
    11:18 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    3 – No scholarship? HA!

  7. BeauKnows
    11:20 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    Tyler why do you continue to read Mr. Negativity. That guy has been writing negative articles and making negative comments about Kentucky since before you were born….trust me I was there. Evidently someone treated him badly at UK many years ago and he is still holding a grudge. He will attempt to magnify our woes at every opportunity. The fact is we are excited about next year, we are excited about football, we are excited about the lady Cats and the baseball team. I remember the probation period it was 10 times worse that what we’ve gone through this year.
    GO CATS!

  8. Badams
    11:22 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    I really hope Cal is smart enough to redshirt Derek Willis. He will go against some of the best in practice this year and could be very valuable to the 2014-2015 season and each season after, if he puts on some weight. There is no point in wasting a year of eligibility when he is clearly a 4 year player.

  9. mashburnfan1
    11:22 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    Should sell tix to practice as that would really be fun to watch this group go at it. The Blue-White game will be amazing.

  10. Kevin C.
    11:24 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    This just in…. Jim Boeheim is a smug piece of sh*t, and he and Syracuse deserve whatever the NCAA does to them.

  11. So
    11:26 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    Still no mention of the Wiltjer rumor I see.

  12. Troy
    11:29 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    Pat Forde is a mental midget. A program can have one off year and still be on top. Is there ANYONE who thinks this program is no longer relevant? A low point happens under the last years of Tubby where no recruit ranked in the top 100 even has Kentucky on their radar.

    Hey Forde, if Nerlens didn’t tear his ACL, would you still be saying this? So an INJURY means we’re at a low point? What a dumb ass.

  13. Badams
    11:29 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    The Wiltjer rumor was just on the news. Apparently Jerry Meyer twitted the rumor out also saying he never understand Kyle pickin UK, was a bad fit for him. I don’t agree it was a bad fit. He can be a valuable 4 year player on this team if he works on his foot speed, defense, and puts on some more muscle. There is no denying his offensive versatility and how he can change the game being out there as he pulls defenders out from under the basket.

  14. blitzedanddazed
    11:29 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    Jerry Hale was a friend of mine at UK. Jerry had the talent of drawing the most wonderful full body nude pictures of women. Jerry could always bring a smile to the people sitting around him during a boring lecture.
    This story beats the hell out of your cake story!

  15. PDubDiddy
    11:33 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    I’m excited about next year, but worried about 2014-2015. We could wind up in the same boat as this season — lacking depth, experience, and leadership. We need some 3 and 4 year kids, not just kids biding their time at a NBA way-station.

  16. Badams
    11:35 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    15, I wouldn’t worry about it. I think Cal learned his lesson the hard way. He will make sure this season never happens again.

  17. Steady
    11:37 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    Julius Mays really is a hero here.

  18. Amberbock
    11:40 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    I suppose you can’t have your cake and eat it, too. I know, I know. Wooomp womp. Wish he would have, though; we could be on the quest for 10.

  19. IndyAlum
    11:44 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    Surely Forde remembers the Cats losing at Notre Dame in the NIT 4 years ago. I was there and it sucked. Last night was embarrassing, but we are not wondering WTF is going to happen to the program — we cannot wait for next year.

  20. Brink
    11:50 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    19 Exactly. 4 years ago we all thought Barnhart was going to let BCG have another year. Good lord could you imagine. No way on that night after the ND loss I would have believed we would have the results we had the next 3 years.

  21. UKBlue
    11:58 pm March 20, 2013 Permalink

    Shout out to Pat Riley; today was his birthday.

    Pat Forde just looking for attention.

  22. Rajon4rondo
    12:12 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Just a blip on the radar? Now I remember I don’t read KSR as much as I used to.

  23. Rajon4rondo
    12:12 am March 21, 2013 Permalink


  24. Illinois hoops
    12:16 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Guys I’m not even a UK fan but I must say this is the most ridiculous recruiting class I’ve ever seen in any sport and after you all add wiggins to this (who i think would be the number 1 pick in this years draft) dang that’s all I’m going to say. Guys who started for you all this past season will probably be the 7 and 8 guys coming off the bench. Realistically I don’t see Kentucky losing a game. I’ll be shocked if we see you guys even down at halftime next season.

  25. BadamsB
    12:17 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    22, the point is the season is over and it’s time move on. We know bigger and better things are brewing for next year. I know I’m over it and lookin forward to campin for madness already.

  26. Nathn
    12:18 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    FUCC football and stoops…..WHO CARES we got history to make next year lets focus on that and not this states lest favorite sport…UK foorball can go undefeated and win the BCS championship and i still wouldnt care nor watch it..BASKETBALL IS KING IN THIS STATE..OHH CATS CATS CATS CATS!!!

  27. But
    12:18 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    3) but if Wiltjer transfers we’re golden, but worst case scenario harrow doesn’t have his scholarship renewed. I promise you the one thing that won’t happen is wiggins wants to come and we don’t have space. That’s rich

  28. But
    12:19 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Or like the above poster said, have Willis red shirt.

  29. Nathn
    12:20 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    #24 i sure hope your right brother!!! AND I REALLY REALLY HOPE WE GET WIGGINS AND RETURN NOEL which is a long shot i know but hell it never hurts to dream BIG lol

  30. Bart Edwards
    12:27 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Even under BCG we never lost a first round NIT game, and certainly not as the NUMBER ONE SEED. It’s humiliating, and no honest fan would deny that this is the worst year any Wildcat team has had ON THE COURT since probation. As far as folks predicting an undefeated season for us next year, have you guys learned nothing at all from this year’s team? Yeah, things are looking up, but don’t be making room for banner 9 just yet. Time for Cal to start earning that money. Kentucky is NOT a school where “We’ll get them next year” is EVER acceptable.

  31. Illinois hoops
    12:27 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    29) man I really don’t see why wiggins would want to go anywhere else. It’s like Jabari Parker I really feel like he made a mistake by picking duke it just doesn’t seem like he’ll fit in there but really wish he would have came to Illinois. But anyway mark my words wiggins will be wearing Kentucky really can’t see him wanting to go anywhere else unless he wants to be a one man show at FSU and not win anything.

  32. Bart Edwards
    12:30 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Harrow is having his scholarship pulled. The talk of Wiltjer transferring in crazy talk. Cal has admitted privately that his benching of Wiltjer cost us the William Morris game.

  33. Linda Taylor
    12:32 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    24 – Illinois hoops – I just wanted to say thanks for a nice post. It is very rare for a fan of a different team to post on this site without being rude and obnoxious. Your post was a breath of fresh air indeed and much appreciated. Good luck to your team in this year’s tournament.

  34. Big blue
    12:35 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    I really just don’t think harrow is talented enough or big time enough to play Point guard at UK. The best thing for him to do is to go back home to Georgia and play for UGA or Georgia Tech I feel like he would be great for a program like that.

  35. Scout23
    12:35 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    That Rupp’s Runts cake is still in my freezer…

  36. BPsycho
    12:38 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    “Pat Forde wrote a column”

    Pat Forde writes?

    Bet he can’t read tho.

  37. Illinois hoops
    12:39 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    33) thanks I love talking basketball with Kentucky fans and really I’m just telling it like it is lol

  38. UK
    12:44 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    32 hate say it but I think it will be better for both sides if he does transfer I just don’t think he fits in with what were trying to do here and will be a great fit for Gonzaga with the style and teams they play. He’s just to slow to guard SEC athletes

  39. C'mon Man!
    12:52 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Bart Edwards, c’mon man! BCG never had a consensus number 1 pick blow out his knee mid season either. That’s a tiny little humongous fact you omitted.

  40. Catsfan1965
    12:55 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Why does everyone keep praising Mays when he was the biggest weakness on the team this year. The only thing he could do was shoot 3s (and he wasn’t great at that). He was a poor ball handler , couldn’t guard anyone, couldn’t rebound, made a lot of unforced TOs and blamed everyone else for his mistakes. If he was on my college bball team we would have fought. If you have to play someone with as little talent as Mays for 38 mins a game you are in trouble. At 47 I am pretty sure I could beat Mays in a 100 yd dash.

  41. Catsfan1965
    12:59 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    And if you can’t beat a player on Robert Morris off the dribble quit freaking shot faking. It’s embarrassing.

  42. UK
    1:00 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    40- I just don’t think mays was ready for the big time nor was the rest of the team but I think the crowds got to him.

  43. Syrin
    1:02 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    You all may think this is insane, but the quality of this recruiting class MAY actually entice Nerlens to stay. I mean the writing is on the wall. Stay and get your ring. The NBA will take him as a lottery pick this year or next, so why not grab a once in a life time opportunity?

  44. Syrin
    1:03 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    #40 – yeah I agree. He had serious physical limitations. The only guards we had with the physical potential had mental issues. That and Goodwin had no outside shot.

  45. UK
    1:03 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    43 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  46. UK
    1:06 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    I believe football would have been better for Goodwin he’s just an elite athlete with just a few real basketball skills

  47. Hartline
    1:10 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Illinois is now the team I will root for in the tournament. Thanks Illinois Hoops for your kind words. As was said, definitely something we need around KSR. You’ll find most of the comment posters to be knowledge and nice. This board is trolled by so many unintelligent UofL/Indiana fans that it gets ridiculous at times.

    I’ve watched a couple Illni games this year and enjoy their style of play. I’ll be rooting for them.

  48. Amberbock
    1:11 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    I think Harrow could be a good senior year player. Call me crazy, but if he gets a chance to play behind someone who can really run an offense with confidence, he might just pick it up. We may send 7 or 8 players into the NBA next year if all goes well, I would not be about to turn away a kid who may be our only experienced player on the roster two years from now.

  49. Illinois hoops
    1:20 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    47) Kentucky fans really know their basketball And are without a doubt the best fans in college basketball. i live In Chicago but have family in Williamsburg Kentucky and they love the big blue. And thanks for the compliments about the Illini hopefully the team everyone seen in Maui back in November will show up if that’s the case I really feel like we can make a run. And for the Indiana Louisville fans their probably the two most jealous fan basis in college basketball it’s sad.

  50. Amberbock
    1:21 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    43 only flaw in that is the fact that he could suffer a career ending injury at any time… a fact that I’m positive he is all too aware of now. That being said, coming back, he would still be the centerpiece to our team, even in the midst of the amazingness that is this year’s incoming class.

  51. Amberbock
    1:23 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    llinois hoops- you represent your fan base with class.

  52. Uk
    1:24 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Harrow still has so much to prove I just think he would be better in a place where there just isn’t as much pressure. Like cal says Kentucky isn’t for everyone and playing point guard at Kentucky is like playing short stop for the Yankees.

  53. Illinois hoops
    1:28 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    51) thank you i appreciate it I would love to see Illinois and Kentucky play especially in Chicago at the United center that would be epic.

  54. SeaCat
    1:33 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Cal is a genius.
    But genius still takes luck.
    Let’s hope he can do it again next year…

  55. Amberbock
    1:45 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    52 you may be right, I just fear another year like this one, and am looking for some kind of out. I only wish we could be confident in some players that just want to be here and win.
    53 that would be magical. As a huge Bears fan, I enjoy the city of Chicago and would love an excuse to visit again.

  56. What will it say?
    1:49 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    So what will the Harrison Twins back of jerseys say? A.Harrison? No… I am curious. An. Ad..

  57. El Guapo
    1:59 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Could Harrow not drop and go D-2 and play right away? That’d be recommendation for him. More playing time at a level where he could shine. That’d give him his best chance to go pro. He’ll never see the floor next year.

  58. Money
    2:37 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Quit with the Harrow talk ppl, What does he have left? He has been at 2 colleges and stunk it up each time. I guess you all are the same ppl who would rather have KY boys like Hood and Slone because its good for the program haha

    That almost as bad as UofL fans saying Siva is better than Wall, Knight, and Teague lol

    3:12 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    #56 – What will it say? – It won’t matter what it says, since unlike the current group of Freshmen (besides Noel) it will be about the team, not the individual.

    So you want to know what it will say?


  60. Amberbock
    4:16 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    58 don’t bash the Kentucky boys. One guy that isn’t getting enough credit for 2012 is Darius Miller, and that cannot be understated. He loved this program and wanted it to excel. But I just am looking for a four year player who could POSSIBLY prevent a disaster like this one from happening again, and it’s POSSIBLE that Harrow could do that in his senior year after seeing how a team is supposed to run. Not a fanboy or anything, I just don’t see anyone else that will be here two seasons from now.
    59 we hope.. we hope.

  61. Bledsoe's Biceps
    4:51 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    It’s going to be interesting to see who stays or transfers. I’d guess Cal would like to keep both Harrow & Wiltjer, primarily for depth next year and possible playing time in the 2014-2015 season. But I’m not sure it will happen. Wiltjer knows he will get almost no playing time next year and probably realizes he may get recruited over again, for his Sr. year. I think he’ll transfer to a school where PT is more certain. I think Harrow would like to xfer, but feels trapped because he looses a year of eligibility if it is a D1 school. He could go D2 for a year in hopes of landing at another D1 school for his final year. He has the physical skills, but has to decide if he really believes he has the mental toughness to make it at the UK level. I also think Poythress may xfer. I’m sure Cal’s speech to him will be basically….You have to develop a motor and intensity if you want to play for me. If you think you can do that, you still have a place on the team and will get a lot of playing time. If you don’t improve your intensity, you won’t see the floor very often. So Alex has to decide if he thinks he can step it up and battle for playing time. I think it’s 50/50 whether he stays or transfers.

  62. mikey
    5:18 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Catsfan – 40. You got it right. Julius Mays, for some totally unknown reason, is loved at KSR. Pound for pound he was the worst player on the team. But, at KSR, he’s golden. Live with it.

  63. Amberbock
    5:43 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    I may be wrong… I often am. I think Wiltjer fits a role that is invaluable in any inside-talented team. He has to speed up his catch and release to fulfill his role on the team, though. We saw spurts of a post presence, and he COULD make himself a serious oddball talent if he were to perfect that as well. I just don’t think he has the self motivation required to do so. He seems to act as the group does, good or bad. As far as Poythress, resigning himself to quitting this program would do more damage to his draft stock than at WORST losing starting position in an amazingly talented team. He would still see floor time, and we all know he has not been driven to fulfill his potential. I think a little competition would be what it takes to make any returning player realize what it takes to win, and how mediocrity results with butt splinters. Winning playing time = winning games.

  64. Amberbock
    6:10 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Call me crazy, I have a hard time quitting on any UK player.

  65. Amberbock
    6:13 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Thanks 65. I would like to think this was a troll, but sadly I would not be surprised if this was a “BBN Faithful”. I have lost faith in our fan base as of late.

  66. Bledsoe's Biceps
    6:44 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    64) I think Wiltjer could fill a very specialized/limited role, but I don’t see him accepting that, if he thinks he can get a lot more playing time elsewhere. Plus he simply does not have the athleticism needed to get much better or see much playing time in Cal’s system. At UK, he’ll now be relegated to 4-5 minutes a game, at best. As for Poythres, it is all on him to develop an intensity. Only he can decide if he wants to do that and/or feels dejected if he looses his spot. He has the physical skills to still see significant minutes IF he develops a motor. If he doesn’t, his draft stock continues to fall and it becomes irrelevant.

  67. Fancoulo
    6:53 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Thanks Illinois hoops, I will now be rooting for your team in the NCAAs.

  68. BravoBigBlue
    6:55 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    I don’t think Harrow will be back at Kentucky next year. Wish him well but he’s not cut out for this program. Same for Wiltger. He’s somewhat of a luxury to have on a team of althletic stars, but he was exposed badly this year. And really played horribly for the most part after Nerlens got hurt. Noexistent defense and not very effective offensively down the stretch either. I don’t exect him back. There’s 2 schollies right there.

  69. DaveUK
    7:05 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Tyler – your scholarship math is a little off. 1. Returning players are never “guaranteed” scholarships. The institution offers a year-to-year renewable scholarship and reserves the right to withdraw/not renew them at the end of each school year. 2. NCAA limit is 13 scholarship players on roster. When you count 12 and then add another 3, that is 15. Cal said he would have 15 players next year, sure, but not 15 scholarship players.

    I agree on Hood and Polson: both should go into walk-on status, and maybe we’ll pick up one more, preferably Wiggins.

  70. tankercat
    7:30 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    When does Forgay have time to write ? He has his hands full with Pitino’s lady parts 24/7

  71. Tom Blevins
    7:36 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    I remember Jerry Hale. He had the bad luck to be a good guard who signed with Kentucky in the same year we signed two great guards. (Jimmy Dan Conner and Mike Flynn) But Kentucky was his dream school. When he was nine years old, his dad put up a basketball goal in their yard and paved the area around it so Jerry would have a smooth surface to dribble the ball on. Before the concrete dried, Jerry wrote in one corner, “First step to Kentucky.” Though he didn’t get a lot of playing time at Kentucky, he did have his own fan club, Hale’s Angels. So happy birthday, Jerry, and I wish you the best in everything you do.

  72. minutes!
    7:43 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    wow, nice problem to have, but if no one leaves and with or without Wiggins, guys are going to be fighting for PRACTICE MINUTES , not just game minutes … would love to see the 5 on 5 games

  73. RealCatsFan
    7:43 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Oh come on 67, seriously, you think that is a UK fan? As if the username is not a dead giveaway? Obvious UL troll, probably about 15 who has never seen a female unclothed except for little sister’s diaper changes. Willing to bet if you traced the IP address it would go straight to Jefferson Co. Mod’s please remove and ban that IP address!!

  74. RealCatsFan
    7:53 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    RE: Wiltjer, I think he needs to develop some elevation on his shot and a quicker release. He is 6’10 – he should never have to worry about getting a 3-pt shot blocked. He also needs to really hit the weights this year and develop his body and quickness. Truthfully, what some have said about him fitting into a different style program may be true, particularly a zone-oriented program where his lack of quickness wouldn’t be exposed as easily. However, he may decide that he really wants to be part of another championship team and make some changes. If he wants to play at the next level, that is exactly what he will need to do.

    With Cal’s connections and reputation with the NBA, UK still might be his best option, even if he doesn’t see a lot of playing time. He will never get more exposure than at UK. He just needs to make his mind up that this is what he wants to do and get serious. I have a feeling that he felt like he could just mail it in this year after getting his ring last year, and didn’t really put in the effort. His attitude probably bled over to some of his teammates. I think that may be a lot of what Coach Cal was alluding to when he talked about the team nearly being hijacked.

  75. dave
    7:54 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    “the Wildcats have been laid as low as at any moment in the last 24 years”

    That is a true statement.

    But Kentucky is also at one of it’s most energized moments at the same time because of the incoming class.

    So, it’s kind of a wash at this point.

  76. Hoosier Nation
    7:55 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    I find it interesting BBN jumped all over Tom Crean and IU for just this same scenario this past fall with Matt Roth. One year of eligibility left but not offered a scholarship. BBN said he was treated wrong, should have been given a spot on the team, etc, etc, etc, simply looking for anything to jump on Crean and the Hoosiers. Not withstanding the fact he already had his masters degree. Now the shoe is on the other foot and you all are willing to not reoffer a scholly to walkons who have put time and commitment into the program.

    Wow, does BBN judge much?

  77. RahRah
    8:00 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Nice post, MrsT. I see what you did there with the cake reference.
    Interesting to speculate on the roster next year but I think I’ll let Coach Cal figure it out. Ya’ll need to stop worrying that there won’t be room for Wiggins or Nerlens. Do you not know Cal at all? lol
    Illinois Hoops, I’m a fan without a team in the ncaa. May as well root for yours. Thanks for stopping by and best of luck.

  78. randomer
    8:07 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Tyler – thank you for posts like this. You’re great.

  79. SexnNursinHomes
    8:09 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    81- Need a tissue?
    Matt Roth sucks.

  80. SexnNursinHomes
    8:09 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    that was for #76

  81. BigBlueKY
    8:09 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Who ever just deleted the previous #63 comments, I thank you very much. It makes UK fans look bad and there is no need for comments such as those.

  82. Big O
    8:10 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Speaking of Wiggins. Drew or Matt– what do you think? Does the JR commit mean anything as far as Wiggins? Probably dreaming at this point but would like to see AW in a UK uni. Feedback requested. 🙂

  83. Aaron Craft's Rosacea
    8:11 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Ryan Harrow = Stacey Poole 2.0

  84. High Point Cat Fan
    8:11 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    #63, You really show a lot of class with your ignorant statements. Too bad you won’t talk that junk to my face so I can rearrange your teeth for you. There’s no place for that here, and if KSR has any kahunas at all, you wouldn’t be allowed to post here again. Do yourself a favor and get some help soon…Go Big Blue!!!!

  85. High Point Cat Fan
    8:13 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    #81, Ditto, and my post #84 is now moot. Go Big Blue!!!

  86. RahRah
    8:20 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Also love the line, “Big Blue Nation was FINALLY able to move past the loss….” Gotta love that Cal let us cry, sulk, pout and wallow for what, 15 hours? The man has timing. Love it.

  87. G
    8:24 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Wow, mixing these future one-and-done wannabe’s with the one-and-done wannabe’s from this year who weren’t actually good enough to be one-and-dones is going to be tough to handle for a coach. Let’s hope Cal’s recruiting skills on this set of one-and-dones is better than last year.

  88. Adifferentblue
    8:33 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    I was born and raised a KU fan, but ever since 96 i have found myself keeping track of uk and rooting for them to win(unless playing KU ofcourse. I find myself envying uk fans. Badketball just seems different for the bbn. Last year really broke the camels back, and although it still feels like im cheating on my wife… I wanna be a part of this bbn. Something is pulling me in.. Will this be accepted by other uk fans? I still havent came out of the closest yet here in kansas. Dreading that part the worst. Just wanted to see how uk fans feel. Dont take me as a bandwagon fan.. Because i am not. Kentucky just gives me a feeling and i cant deny it.

  89. RealCatsFan
    8:36 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    88, come on over and join the party. Just don’t jump off if times get tough again (as they do for ALL programs at some point.)

  90. hcalum
    8:38 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    No pictures of his daughter? She’s hot.

  91. David from Bowling Green
    8:38 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    For those suggesting Harrow should transfer to GaTech or UGA, he cannot. He’d have to transfer to a NAIA school or perhaps NCAA Division 2. You only get one Div 1 transfer and have 5 years to play 4. I’m guessing after Cal explains the facts of life to him he will leave.

    I’m guessing we will have at least one current player in addition to NN go to the NBA this spring. Everyone is not going to stay. Scholarships are never a problem so we need to chill about that.

    Can’t believe everyone seems to be taking the players word for it that they are all returning. That won’t happen.

  92. David from Bowling Green
    8:40 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Tyler, stop talking about Forde! He does not deserve the recognition on ksr.

  93. RealCatsFan
    8:41 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    To Hoosier Nation: One of the reasons that Crean gets so much grief from BBN is that he tries to play that “doing things the right way” card a little bit too much, while trying to villify UK any chance he gets. How about if he just coaches his team to play an honest game instead of trying to fake flagrant fouls? How about if Hoosier Nation acts like they have been there before – rushing the court after winning a December game, giving out rings for a Sweet Sixteen appearance, and cutting nets after a home court loss are bush league tactics. I’ll go further on all of the flopping and fakery on the court – the ref’s should whistle the perpetrators for a technical when the video monitor clearly shows that a player intentionally faked contact and an injury in an effort to draw a flagrant foul with the potential to change the outcome of a game. All the flopping from minor contact draws hatred from the opposing fan bases. Just play basketball and act like you have been there before, and you can earn some respect back to your program and fan base.

  94. dribble drive high five
    8:43 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Maybe I’m dense, but what is the rumor about Kyle. Haven’t heard it yet.

  95. Eric K
    8:48 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    The lossiers program is a joke#93, thanks…. #94 rumors are that he’s leaving….going to gonzaga… GO CATS!!

  96. Melvit
    8:50 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    The big question is why does that photo from 1966 look like it was taken in the 20s or on instagram?

  97. dribble drive high five
    8:52 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Hope Kyle stays. But you know what they say, once you go Canadian, you never go back.

  98. theSkinny81
    9:02 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    96 – that’s your big question? Is that gonna bother you all day???

  99. Rixter
    9:03 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Let me get this straight: UK had a 10′ cake to celebrate a # 1 ranking?

    Does this mean we can no longer make fun of IU for cutting down nets after a loss?

  100. catsfan1965
    9:12 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    I think it is more accurate to say that Goodwin and Poythress aren’t ready to for the NBA than to say they aren’t good enough. We have no idea how they would have developed if they were put on last years roster. What we do know is that Goodwin’s development this year was not helped by being on the floor with Polson, Harrow, and Mays. Polson (who was awesome and did more than could possibly been expected) and Mays are very limited athletically which meant that Goodwin was usually driving to the basket against 3-4 defenders instead of one. Harrow is talented, but he is small, not mentally and physically tough enough, and, worst of all for a point guard, does not seem to want the ball in his hands unless he is driving to the basket. I feel bad for Harrow and don’t want to bash the kid, but I think it obvious that the limitations of UKs guard play this year hindered both Poythress and Goodwin’s development. I’m not defending everything they have done, but I think it unwise for fans to give up on them just because they aren’t ready to go pro after one year and say they are no good. At Duke you can hide on the bench for 1-2 years even as a top recruit and if you do play, like Sulaimon, you have little pressure on you to make things happen. Ricardo Ledo, Rodney Purvis, and Kaleb Tarczewski were all rated ahead of Goodwin by Rivals but can we really say that any of them are better. Goodwin and Poytress shouldered a level of pressure and responsibility this year that few of us can comprehend and that none of the other top recruits had to face and they fell short. But I think we should realize that if AD and MKG had to play all year with Polson, Harrow, and Mays instead of Teague, Lamb, Jones, and Miller they would have struggled more than they did also. Goodwin and Poythress are still talented and I’ll trust Cal to decide what future role on they team they merit.

  101. Rixter
    9:13 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Can you imagine being so stupid and biased as to publish an article saying the defending National Champions are at their lowest point in 24 years?

    Speaking of the lowest point in years, who the hell does Forde work for since ESPN sh!t-canned him?

    I’m old enough to remember the days when Forde was relevant….. wow, seems like such a long time ago.

  102. Bledsoe's Bicepsf
    9:13 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    91) Not exactly correct. There is no limit on the number of D1 transfers, just the fact you have to sit out a year after you transfer. And Harrow already burned that. Unless he completes his under grad degree and transfers to another school for a grad program that is not offered at UK. Just like Julius Mays. Julius just completed his career having played for 3 D1 schools (NC State, Wright St & UK).

  103. rocco
    9:17 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Great Read Tyler Keep up the good work!!

  104. Rixter
    9:17 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Good post, 100…I think you’re spot on.
    I also think Ryan Harrow will perform MUCH better in a backup role, without all the responsibility of being THE guy in Cal’s system. Archie and Alex will both look like different players next year, with the experience they have gained, and several months to think about what went wrong for them…..

  105. Ksu
    9:20 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    #100, your assessment of polson is completely wrong & tells me you know nothing about basketball or the player. Polson is very athletic. He’s actually holding back out there. Goodwin will transfer & trust me, he made his own bed out there. Idiot!

  106. lonnieb
    9:22 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Whats with all the Mays bashing…….he fought and gave it all….skill set not quite up to par but he did what he could…….hood, polson, and a few others still play on team so he was not worst pound for pound

    Wiltjer will see plenty of time next year and be much better as we will have people that can penetrate and kick to him for wide open 3’s which we know he makes

    Poythress is not transfering……that is literally the dumbest comment I have ever read…..he is either here or in NBA as he is projcted 16th pick by chris ford

  107. barn
    9:28 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    scout actually has marcus lee listed as the #2 center in the class

  108. RealCatsFan
    9:30 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    105, I would be shocked to see Goodwin transfer. Why would he sit out a year just to play in college again? If anything, he will test the waters in the NBA. But I really think he will come back. This year left a bad taste in his mouth. Archie may drive us crazy with his decisions, but he is a competitor, and I think he wants to win. He’ll be back to see what it’s like to be on a winning team.

  109. KLugo
    9:38 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    All scholarships are one year renewable scholarships. So no one is guaranteed a scholarship next year. Will Harrow be renewed? He’s not a bad back up PG. Filling in 12-15min. at that position. But Polson, Archie, Harrison, Young can do that too. How about Wiltjer? I love the kid, but how much PT do you really think he’ll get? He gets pushed around and he’s an obvious liability on D. With all of the scorers we have coming in, I don’t see him seeing the floor solely on his 3 point shooting. His release is slow and so are his feet. In other words, he is one-dimensional. He can hit open 3s… sometimes. DIII players can do that. Don’t be surprised if Wiltjer looks for PT elsewhere next year.

  110. BPM
    9:52 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Wiltjer is not going anywhere. His entire family is relocating to Kentucky plus his sister is coming to UK next year too. He is going to be a solid 4 year player for us and look for a big 2014 when he will be needed greatly to avoid another year like this year.

  111. rixter
    9:55 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Being slow doesn’t mean you can’t be a solid D1 player. Look at Jorts, look at everybody who’s played on the interior for Notre Dame the last 10 years. Kyle needs to find a niche, and become really good in that role..I don’t think he has a basketball identity right now.

  112. seriously
    9:56 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    106. How will Wiltjer get MORE time next year? He couldn’t stay on the floor with these guys. How will you play a one trick pony over a future lottery pick. Ain’t happening. He wont sniff the floor. I think he should go somewhere that needs a big man that plays small, can’t rebound, and is a streaky shooter. We don’t.

  113. BlueFins
    9:56 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Forde…Not even as low as UL’s bridge year

  114. Ksu
    10:01 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Fran fraschilla, friends with cal says NBA or transfers are going to happen.

  115. catsfan1965
    10:03 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    #105, I’m not sure why I’m even responding to your semit-literate post, but I was a starting point guard in HS and played PG one year at Northern KY before transferring to Miami of Ohio and stopping my bball career, so I am sure you know much more about basketball than me. But if you can’t figure this out for yourself, there is a reason that Polson was a walk-on and that he was told that his scholarship would be yanked when they needed it and it wasn’t because he is a freakish athlete. I love Polson, he plays hard and has gotten the best out of his limited abilities, but if you think that Polson is even on same planet as Goodwin athletically then you are delusional. I’m know that I was faster, and probably could outjump, Polson when I was that age.

  116. brrr
    10:03 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    #114. Who will transfer wiltjer? WCS to NBA?

  117. KLugo
    10:09 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Jorts didn’t get pushed around…

  118. D-cubed
    10:12 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    #100–very well stated and argued. Yea, I think you will see a different Goodwin next year when he is supported by different guard play. I too am not bashing these young guys, but the guard play is the fuel that makes the engine go and we just didn’t have it this year. Harrow had some good games as did Mays, don’t get me wrong. But, they really aren’t elite guards of the caliber of Wall, Knight and Teague and that’s not their faults. It’s just a reality. And yes, OMG, the pressure these 18 and 19 year olds are under is just unbearable. I feel sorrow for this team this year. The pressure got to them on many occasions, as it would to many of us, I think. They gave it their all and I commend them. They were and still are “our” team, this year. I wish them all well.

  119. Ksu
    10:26 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    #115, I’m happy you were a former player. So was I. I also played with the ft. Wayne fury in the cba. My coaches were flip Saunders & Keith smart. You are judging polson by what you see on tv. You are clueless. Unless you can drop step & dunk it 2 handed, you can’t out jump him. I could jump as high as he could too. My pnt is you are judging him WRONG. You don’t know what he is capable of. He led the team in sprint times behind Goodwin. He rose up at rupp & dunked it back with his elbow close to the rim. He was better than harrow from the beginning. Please try to understand how this recruiting thing works at uk.

  120. paducahfan
    10:34 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Jerry – I agree – don’t eat the cake. I once opened a 40 year old pack of cheese crackers which were in a desk drawer. Tasted just like the drawer.

  121. Melvit
    10:40 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    #98 Why so serious?

  122. Ksu
    11:20 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Oh yeah, 115. You must have been a GREAT team player. Any time you had a bad game, it was because of the players you were playing with. Right? Idiot!

  123. Simple
    11:39 am March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Incredible story about the cake!

  124. Lcat
    12:09 pm March 21, 2013 Permalink

    You know that WCS, Poythress and Archie are still high on the NBA draft list. I find this surprising-in some polls WCS and Archie beat out Patrick Young and Mason Plumlee.Now I am not a big Florida fan and down right hate Duke, but i have to give both these guys their due. i would never pick WCS over patrick Young. These scouts need to go take exams on player evaluation. If any of of the UK players except for Nerlens go into the draft, figure the D league if not an outright cut.They are not ready,One poll had Alex ranked higher than Plumlee. Maybe some of these guys should take advantage of their lofty status. Just being at UK gives you 20 extra spaces on the Mock draft list. I do think some of these guys will go especially WCS who could really stand an extra yr in college. He will get some playing time next year. So will Archie. But Alex and Kyle-I dont know. I think they will both be better next yr, but I could see them transfer. UK does not really need Wiggins-I actually hope he goes elsewhere.We do not need him. There are not enough basketballs to keep all these incoming egos happy. i hope we might recruit a few good 4 star players who will stick around like this guy, Hawkins.

  125. catfan
    12:17 pm March 21, 2013 Permalink

    from forde’s article. “Louisville, meanwhile, finds itself riding its biggest high in the last 27 years”. So the final four they went to last year means nothing to them….. And they say UK fans are tough to please.

  126. Steve Fitts
    1:41 pm March 21, 2013 Permalink

    Mrs. TT: You call Jerry Hale a “UK great.” Unlike you, I’m old enough to remember Jerry Hale, and “great” is definitely a stretch. He got some minutes, but he came off the bench. I don’t remember him ever starting a game. Basically, he was the Jarrod Polson of his day, although he did have a scholarship, and like Polson, he played very hard when he was in the game. But he was hardly a “UK great!”

  127. tt
    5:02 pm March 21, 2013 Permalink

    hey 126 your just jealous of hale and polson.

  128. CatBlue in LR
    10:40 pm March 21, 2013 Permalink

    If Jerry Hale was 12 in ’66, he is 59 now. C’mon, people, get it right.

  129. CatBlue in LR
    10:42 pm March 21, 2013 Permalink

    OK, so he was 12 during the regular season when he went to the game about to turn 13 in March…


  130. Scout
    9:41 am March 22, 2013 Permalink

    @126: Other scholarship offers included IU, UL, and Maryland. Not too shabby for a merely “good” player.

  131. John Booher
    6:47 pm March 22, 2013 Permalink

    #126, I know Jerry Hale, Jerry Hale is a friend of mine, I hope you are a ” great” like Jerry Hale. Respectfully, I submit that Jerry Hale is a “UK Great”. He is a great Dad, he is a great husband, he is a great person. Jerry Hale just went “UK great” in something other than basketball