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Dominique Hawkins may find out if he gets a scholarship from UK on Friday

Dominique-Hawkins’s Jordan Wells reports that Dominique Hawkins expects to find out if he will get a scholarship from Kentucky on Friday. The Madison Central star got a visit from Calipari yesterday afternoon, and has said that he will only play for teams that offer him a scholarship.

Hawkins finding out on Friday if he gets a scholarship offer means that we will likely also know by Friday if there are any potential transfers , namely Ryan Harrow.

Hurry up, Friday.

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90 Comments for Dominique Hawkins may find out if he gets a scholarship from UK on Friday

  1. JTack
    11:17 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Does that mean a Wiggins announcement should be expected soon? Like this week?

  2. Mike
    11:19 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    yeah does this mean wiggins and/or aaron gordon have told or are telling the kentucky coaches where they’re going???

  3. Uh no
    11:21 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    No, it means Cal is meeting with current UK players this week to decide who will walk the plank to free up a schollie for Hawkins.

  4. RahRah
    11:22 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    I think Coach Cal will find room for Wiggins no matter when he should announce.
    Good for this kid for holding out for a scholarship though. I’d like to see him on the team and watch him develop.

  5. Musehobo
    11:23 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Woah, I don’t think anyone would be surprised if Harrow left, but that’s the first I heard about it. The way you said it, makes me think it’s likely. Interesting.

    Wait…If Harrow transfers, doesn’t he have to sit out another year, unless he goes to Div II?

  6. Yes
    11:24 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    #5 yes, and he has already burned his Redshirt, so he would lose a year of eligibility.

  7. Musehobo
    11:25 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    6) So wouldn’t that mean he CAN’T transfer. He is a junior right?

  8. Musehobo
    11:26 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Let me rephrase that. Wouldn’t that mean that if he transfers, it would have to be to Div II?

  9. Wall2Cousins
    11:27 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    He can’t transfer

  10. Chris
    11:27 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Harrow wouldn’t have to sit out a year. He has enough credits to graduate meaning he can transfer using the same rule as mays

  11. Brian
    11:31 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    5, 6, & 7 Harrow will probably be graduating this year, he can transfer to another team and play right away as a graduate student, as Julius Mays did.

  12. Wall2Cousins
    11:32 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    why post the link to Western Kentucky Insider?

  13. BillyBlues
    11:32 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Harrow could be a star in Div 11. I’m sure the coaches will help him find a good Div 11 school.

  14. Matt
    11:34 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    8. Harrow is a Sophomore because he used his redshirt last year. He still has 2 years of eligibility left so if he transfers he would sit out a year and then be able to play his senior year. Unless 10 is right and he can graduate and use the transfer rule that Mays used.

  15. Al B. Frank
    11:36 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    13- That’s a little harsh. I mean, I’m sure he could fit somewhere on a team in divisions 2-10. No need to drop him all the way to division 11. 😛

  16. Dam
    11:37 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    division 11? Oh c’mon. He could play Division 9 at least!

  17. JTack
    11:37 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    I didn’t know there was a Division 11. I know there’s a Division II.

  18. Dam
    11:38 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Lol 14 u beat me to it

  19. downebri
    11:40 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    I think Cal is recognizing the value of having a few Kentucky raised kids on the team. I hope Hawkins is offered a scholarship and I think he can contribute more to the team than people may realize.

  20. Harrow is Division 1
    11:48 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Just not Kentucky.

    Harrow is as fragile as an old lady.

    Most players come to UK and get stronger (you can see their muscle growth). Harrow has gotten thinner.

    He could be a good PG for Tubby Smith on that imaginary team that he’ll be coaching next year.

    Maybe all the Tubby sympathizers can go root for them both.

  21. Robro
    11:49 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    I am not totally educated on the situation but UL took Swopeshire’s scholly and released him, he played immediately at Northwestern this year. If we were asking Harrow to leave, could he not do the same?

  22. Scott
    11:50 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    If Harrow can transfer without sitting out via graduation like Mays, then honestly, he should do so. He’s a good kid and it was a tough year, I think he could really help another team and he shouldn’t have any trouble finding a spot.

  23. C''mon down, Dom!
    11:52 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Teach the other recruits what it means to play at Kentucky. Show them what it means to have heart, and shoot 90% at the free throw line when you team is down. We are feeling the void left by Darius Miller’s graduation. Fill the void, Dom!

  24. UK Wildcat
    11:53 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    If Harrow’s spot automatically goes to Hawkins, we’ll still need someone else aside from Noel to leave to open up a spot for Wiggins.

    PG: Andrew Harrison
    SG: Aaron Harrison
    SF: James Young
    PF: Julius Randle
    C: Willie Cauley-Stein
    6. Archie Goodwin
    7. Alex Poythress
    8. Dakari Johnson
    9. Marcus Lee
    10. Kyle Wiltjer
    11. Derek Willis
    12. Jon Hood
    13. Dominique Hawkins or Ryan Harrow

    Here are 5 ways we can free up that scholarship

    1) Either WCS, Goodwin, or Poythress enter the draft
    2) Hood graduates and transfers without sitting out a year
    3) Wiltjer transfers to a program where he will make an immediate impact without improving much
    4) Poythress and Cal agree to part ways, but not being ready for the draft, he decides to transfer
    5) A player agrees to give up their scholarship for Wiggins, a la Jarvis Varnado giving up his scholarship for Renardo Sidney

  25. H.A. Milton
    11:54 am March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Who cares what Harrow will do. Get him out of here. Cal said the program was almost hi-jacked, it WAS hi-jacked by Harrow’s cotton candy soul.

    11:59 am March 27, 2013 Permalink


  27. kybigblue
    12:04 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    #24 Hood is graduating having been in college four years. He has a year of eligibility left because of a redshit year but there has no word on him returning. The rule Mays used as a graduate student would apply to Hood. Apparently Polson graduates early but nothing has been said about Harrow graduating early. Harrow has been in college three years but with a redshirt year he has two years of eligibility left. He would have to set out if he transfers to a Divison 1 school and thus lose a year of eligibiity. He could play NAIA ball and not lost a year of eligibility.

  28. Bojangles
    12:09 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    If Ryan Harrow transfers against his will, I will be livid. The kid has shown flashes of brilliance and will surely be infinitely better next season. If pushing people to transfer for W’s become UK’s M.O., then I am sad to say that all this talk of us becoming the “dark side” of college basketball will definitely hold merit…

  29. tmark
    12:12 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    i just talked to nick wiggins junior college basketball coach. his assistant coach is real close with nick wiggins. said parents are really pushing andrew to florida state.

  30. Ksu
    12:14 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    #24, your jealous of polson

  31. UK Wildcat
    12:19 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink


    Harrow had all season to show he belonged at Kentucky. If he had played up to his potential, we’d laugh at the thought of bringing in an unranked point guard without major offers to take his place. This was his third full year in college. If he still can’t handle big-time college basketball after 3 years, he needs to think about going to a school that isn’t going to put him in the spotlight.

  32. Rixter
    12:19 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    A player has 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility, and it doesn’t matter if it’s D1 or D2. He would have to sit out a year either way, and only have 1 year of eligibility left. His other option would be an NAIA school…..

  33. brain
    12:22 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    28-It’s irrelevant that you’ll be livid.

  34. Bamacat55
    12:30 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    I would take Hawkins over Harrow at this point. Harrow had his chance and he appears to be too soft to play major college basketball. He may be a great person but way too soft on the court.

  35. B-man
    12:36 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    When a player decides to transfer, I realize (barring outlying circumstances) he has to sit out a year. What if his scholarship is not renewed, basically “forcing” him to transfer? Does the player still have to sit out a year? If he didn’t have to sit out a year in the event his scholarship was not renewed, I wonder if Cal would take that approach?

  36. Linda Taylor
    12:37 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    28 – Do you think for one second Cal would make Harrow leave if he had not been one of or the person Cal was referring to when he said the team was almost hi-jacked this year? If a player does not do what his coach tells him to do and becomes a cancer to the team then he leaves the coach with little choice but to send him on his way. Whether that was the case with Ryan we are only guessing right now but coach can’t allow that kind of problem on the team. If Ryan comes back then we will know it wasn’t so bad, but he has to be responsible for his behavior and attitude, especially when you consider this was his 3rd year of college. He should have been a leader, not a problem.

  37. Checks Pool Room
    12:37 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    #28 dont get your panti’s in a wad. I agree with #31 and #33 .Harrow has had plenty time to get the system.Just like Cal said U.K. is not for everyone

  38. STEVE!
    12:38 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    I actually think Harow could be a good backup combo guard for 12-15 minutes a game. He seems to do better when he isn’t respopnsible for running the team. Maybe all these kids will learn a lesson about what it takes to be a winner and will work their tails off to improve over the next 6 months.

  39. Kentuckian
    12:46 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Give a talented Kentucky kid with heart anyday. My favorite team still was the 92 team full of KY kids without amazing talent who defeated many teams with talent because they lived for the front of the jersey not the back of the jersey.

  40. Jackson Purchase
    12:52 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Harrow cant transfer unless he wants to play DIV II. A player has 5 years to use his 4 years of eligibility. Ryan has already transfered once and sat out a year no way he transfers again just to play one year.

  41. Bojangles
    12:53 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Coach Cal brought him here. If he didn’t pan out the way Cal wanted, that’s on him. As a coach it is his duty to develop Ryan into the young man/ball player that he wants him to be — not to kick him to the curb to free up scholarships for another group of kids that could also have some of the same problems. Say what you want, forcing him to transfer would be wrong…

  42. Matt
    12:55 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    40. He is going to get about the same amount of playing time next year at UK as he would sitting out a year if he transfers.

  43. UK Wildcat
    1:00 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Cal has been working with Harrow for two full seasons now. If Harrow, after two seasons of Calipari, still doesn’t respond to him, he needs to go elsewhere. Calipari has 12 other scholarship players to worry about, he can’t afford to constantly worry about Ryan Harrow’s fragile psyche like he had to do this entire year.

  44. Culver
    1:05 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    42) So true!

  45. catfanatic
    1:06 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Get rid of any of them that does not want to play tough next year, we need Wildcats not pussies

  46. Checks Pool Room
    1:06 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    #43 AMEN !!!!! Does anyone thnk Willis will redshirt ?

  47. Musehobo
    1:18 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Ok, so it sounds like Harrow’s situation is like Mays’ and he COULD transfer to another D1 school without sitting out, and play one more year. Don’t you think that the statement “we will likely also know by Friday if there are any potential transfers , namely Ryan Harrow” coming from KSR, especially since all the transfer rumors up until now were about Wiltjer, makes Harrow’s transfer likely? I’d be willing to put cash on it.

  48. John Ellis
    1:22 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    As with trashing the entire past season (UK did have huge wins against Florida and Missouri and Mississippi and had the best defensive player in the game until he was injured), remember Harrow did have big games and against big opponents. As has been posted before the scholarships will work out. Hood and Polson have graduated haven’t they academically so they could remain with the team as grad assistants, though given how they contributed on the court this year I hope they both play. They could also walk on.

    And as a ‘Tubby sympathizer’ (which is usually an ugly euphemism), Tubby never had an NIT year or lower than an eight seed. He also is the only UK coach who won a title without overwhelming talent. Learn some respect, HID1 – something Tubby’s military background taught him.

  49. Linda Taylor
    1:27 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    41 – Every day Harrow came to practice and had a choice, to be coachable and work within the framework of the team and be a positive influence on his teammates or to do his own thing. If he chose to do his own thing then he cannot be surprised if he is no longer a member of the team after this season. All of this is speculation at this point in time anyway but to put a player’s behavior and attitude all on Cal is wrong. Sometimes kids need to learn lessons the hard way. None of us knows what has been going on behind the scenes but cancer kills and if you have a cancer on a team the coach has to be the surgeon who excises it in order to save the rest of the team. Having said that I want to reiterate none of us knows if that is the case but I don’t believe Cal would make him leave for any other reason. Cal has shown loyalty to every kid who has worked hard and had the right attitude no matter if they were injured or not as talented as the best players.

  50. Future ex-fan?
    1:33 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Really!?!?! I have to agree with 28. If Cal starts chasing off scholarship players that he recruited that will be the beginning of the end of my life-long UK fanhood. It seems to me I remember people on this site criticizing Pitino for the same thing when it came to Stephan Van Treese. Of course, he ended up staying, but only after Pitino could “find room.” Cal always talks about doing “what’s best for the young man.” There is no way he truly thinks that going elsewhere is the best thing for Ryan’s development. If he chases Ryan off he will be a huge hypocrite on that front. Don’t sell your soul for wins!!! Do right by these kids, and don’t give fuel to the Cal haters by taking this low, low road.

  51. bsettle
    1:38 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    41 – Not true. Everyone knows scholarships are for 1 year. Period. Unless Cal promised him more, and we all know he doesn’t promise anyone anything, you have to earn, shots, minutes, and scholarships under the Cal regime. This year turned out a little different in that he really didnt have a choice on who to play.

  52. The Light
    1:40 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Everybody!!! Everybody!!! Bojangles is gonna be livid!

    Cotton Candy quit the team in December. Left and went home. Any other year and Cal would have been THE COACH. I guess the title got to him and in a rebuilding year felt like he could save a kid.

    When you have a High School Senior – Kentucky boy, from Richmond (no doubt) with the heart of a lion and the “dream” of coming to Kentucky… Mr. Bojangles can be as livid as he wants.

    You give that scholarship to the person who deserves it.


    GOT IT???

  53. UK Wildcat
    1:41 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    #48 Tubby had 4 future first round picks and 6 players who would eventually play in the NBA on the 98 team, so don’t try to paint that team as a rag-tag bunch Tubby willed to the championship.

  54. The Light
    1:43 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    #41 – Bojangles – You have developed a flawed perspective on what a scholarship is.

    The are not 4 year deals. The are 1 year deals. Ever read one?

    So when you keep on thinking from that distorted view your going to keep on thinking those distorted thoughts.


  55. The Light
    1:57 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    We certainly are open to anybody who “gets it”.

    If you give the scholarship to Harrow, do you honestly think Cal will be spending a bunch of time with him to make him the best pro that money can buy?

    NO DAMN WAY. Cal invested 2 seasons in preparing Ryan for this seasons and what were the results. An uncoachable kid who was as frail as your grandmother.

    With a NEW roster full of 8 or even 9 FRESHMEN, along with 3 Sophmores that need serious work (Poythress, Cauly Stein, Goodwin) do you honestly think they best thing to do would be to give that scholarship to Ryan Harrow?

    You know he will ride the bench, you know he will drag through practices, you know he will talk talk talk about all the things that Cal promised him that didn’t come true to the new kids. Cal has a responsibility to maintain the Kentucky “bubble” as a place of energy, of freshness, of life.

    Meanwhile a KY born dreamer sits in Richmond and Bojangles thinks it’d be better to give a scholarship to a quitter for 1 final year on the bench instead of planting the seed with a potential multi-year player who knows what Kentucky basketball spirit is made of.

    Some people are just so damn retarded.

  56. Jen
    2:13 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    50. You don’t know what you’re talking about. We’re going to have enough talent on next year’s team even if we don’t have Harrow or Hawkins, so don’t flatter yourself that this decision will be made on talent. If Harrow is back or if we get Hawkins, they’d both be at the far end of the bench. If Harrow isn’t back it’ll be because he didn’t earn his way back. Cal wasn’t speaking idly when he said this team was hijacked and that he won’t let it happen again.

  57. LondonTiger
    2:13 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    If RH goes or stays, that’s between him & his coach. I got cut from bb team my senior year in high school to make room for a freshman – no comparison to a kid with talent like RH has and a pine cleaner like me, but stuff happens – you both move on. Wish nothing but the best for RH but if he wants to get time on the court his best bet is find another school.

  58. Future ex-fan?
    2:27 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    56, a few issues: “You don’t know what you’re talking about.” If that’s so, please support your point. “..don’t flatter yourself…” There is nothing self-congratulatory in my earlier comment. Why would you think I’m flattering myself? Please have the courtesy to address my points if you are going to direct your comment at me. I agree that neither Harrow nor Hawkins would start next year. My only question is whether Cal was “speaking idly” when he said he is interested in what’s best for the players. It seems to me that Ryan burned a year of eligibility to come here BECAUSE CAL WANTED HIM. I don’t think it’s right to abandon him after a rocky (but not horrible) season. For all you know he will “Jorts out” next year. I don’t see the benefit in trading one wildcard for another, ESPECIALLY when neither will be a starter next year.

  59. Bojangles
    2:29 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    The Light: This kid deserves the scholarship simply because he’s from Kentucky? He’s a 2-star recruit (per who is tiny (listed at 6’0″/170 lbs). No way he’ll make a more immediate impact than Ryan Harrow. As I said before, Ryan had flashes of brilliance and was playing PG on a terrible team. I have every reason to believe he’d be a baller on a squad full of blue-chips. Your argument is awful – take it back to the drawing board.

  60. Drew
    2:52 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    If you haven’t seen Hawkins play then don’t say he’s not UK material. Just because of a rating everyone thinks he isn’t UK standard. Hawkins would bully Harrow on the court.

  61. a 2 star recruit?
    3:05 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    As 59 and others have said, dont need to start running players off and dont start this 1 year deal stuff! Cal recruited these kids to UK so we should honor our agreement with them provided they are in good academic standing. if we start running players off we are no better then Ricky!
    you people do realize Hawkins isnt John Wall dont you. No way this kid ever sees any meaningfull minutes. hes to slow and small the play at UK. he would be a nice player at EKU or WKU sorry but thats his skill set.
    All this could be solved by him doing what Polson did walk on and earn your spot. Polson is a Kentucky kid who has earned his way and has worked his way in to being a good role player who contrary to what most have posted on here will play the same role next year. While Hawkins will never see the court.
    who in the hell does this kid think he is to demand a scholarship from Cal. reality is hes a 2 star player who cant even get UL interested because hes not that good! he couldnt have started on 3 14th region teams this passed year now he thinks Cal should give him a free ride.

  62. a 2 star recruit?
    3:11 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Ive seen Hawkins play several times no way would he bully Harrow on the court because hes to slow to stay in front of him! realy wish someone from JC would put Polsons high school stats on here so some could see just how good he was in high school. his career in HS was better then hawkins. and dont startr yelling about the state tourny because as we saw this year it takes a team to win not 1 player. Hawkins isnt even the best player in the stae How do you think hes goog enough to play at UK. realy not sure hes even in the top 10 if you count all grades!

  63. Jen
    3:13 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    58. I supported my point in my comment. If you can’t grasp it, it’s not my problem. Plainly you’re dense enough to think that Harrow potentially leaving the team could *only* mean Cal is mistreating him, so that’s not a surprise. You say Cal wanted him? Yeah, and Harrow had one full year to prepare and one full year to demonstrate that he was ready. The results were horrible. What you should understand is that Harrow can’t play for Cal or at UK. Cal will be doing him a service by helping him move on.

  64. Jen
    3:15 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    58. And you did flatter yourself by saying that if Harrow left it would be because UK had sold its soul for wins. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  65. Rei
    3:31 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    oh my god shut up with the tubby stuff

  66. Future ex-fan?
    3:38 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    63. I don’t think ‘mistreating’ is the right word, which is why I didn’t use it. I think it’s clear that Harrow wants to stay, based on his comments after the NIT loss. That means that if he leaves, it will not be his choice, but Cal’s. What I said is that we shouldn’t abandon him. There is plenty of blame to go around when it comes to the team’s poor season. Scapegoating Harrow is no magic bullet, especially if all we get out of it is Hawkins, who is just as much (if not more) unproven than Harrow. Expressing concern about the emerging culture of our program is not self-flattery. I also didn’t resort to name calling (now I am flattering myself, see the difference?) I simply politely asked for clarity and courtesy. Since you refused to offer either, I’d say we will have to agree to disagree.

  67. Eric K
    3:53 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Next year roster
    WCS,Alex,Archie,kyle,Harrison,Harrison,Young,Lee,Randle,Willis,Johnson,Wiggins,Hawkins….(13) Hood and Polson walkon. Harrow is out. That’s it boys and girls. Hey Bleed Blue, what do think of that roster?…. GO CATS!!

  68. The Light
    3:55 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Cal’s got a job to do.

    Part of that is protecting Kentucky Basketball from getting hijacked. He failed at that this year.

    So while you moral justifiers make a case for Harrow… to get a free ride on the end of the bench because “Cal made him come here”…

    Get one thing straight. Cal promises no one anything. You have to earn your keep. Each player has a responsibility to his teammates.

    Ryan Harrow failed his teammates.

    Know why? Because he couldn’t see past himself. That’s why he was uncoachable, that’s why he can drive the Ferrari when the keys are handed to him, and that’s why he doesn’t need someone’s mom to defend him any longer.

    When you come to Point Guard U and treat the best point guard coach in modern times like he doesn’t get it… when the season is over, you have to step down and walk away.

    Be a man with honor and integrity and HAND your scholarship to the first person you see Ryan. For as long as you are in Kentucky, that person will know what to do with it.

  69. bojangles
    4:02 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    This year’s team was no Ferrari – more like an Optima.

  70. ==== OL' PIX ====
    4:07 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    ==== The Wildcats are beginning to remind me of the Bearcats w/Huggybear @ the helm ………….. or Cronin =====

  71. ==== OL' PIX ====
    4:10 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    ==== there’s only one basketball to go round allllllll these egos ! LOL ====

  72. a 2 star recruit?
    4:13 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    your missing the whole point. If Cal meets with Harrow and they decide that Harrow isnt going to get the PT he wants and he decides to transfer is one thing. If you thinlk Cal should run him off for Hawkins is anther. This years team was flawed as we all know and Harrow had a horrible season i agree, but dont act like he was the only problem.
    Hawkins will NEVER be a SEC type of player. he might be a good player for EKU or WKU but he doesnt have the body to play at UK plus if you havent seen him play is about a step slow. i would rather have Polson or Harrow as our back up. Both have been through the SEC before and i think both will play alot better next year with all that talent on the court with them. Harrow and Goodwin where both guilty of trying to hard if anything.

  73. a 2 star recruit?
    4:21 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Why cant you people get it? Cal is NOT going to pull Polson’scholarship for Hawkins! Hawkins just isnt that good. If he plays for UK it will be as a walkon his first year. he will have to EARN his ride like Polson did. How many Kentucky kids does Cal have to have we already have Hood, Polson, and Wills. that seems like alot for a state not known for producing great players!

  74. BravoBigBlue
    4:25 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Harrow should be asked to walk on next year. Then he can show everybody how much he wants to be here.

  75. Linda Taylor
    4:31 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    50-(Future ex-fan?) Regarding your statement: “There is no way he truly thinks that going elsewhere is the best thing for Ryan’s development.” I beg to differ, if you as a coach, have spent 2 years trying everything you, your assistants and your mentors can suggest and still can’t get through to a young man, then sometimes the only way for that kid to get the message through his thick skull is to learn the hard way. Some people have to reach rock bottom before they accept the fact that they are the ones that need to change and it may take losing his place at UK for Ryan to reach that point. If you, as a player, are having a detrimental effect on the team and no matter what your coaches do to try to help you, you don’t respond, then you need a big wake-up call. It could turn out to be the best thing to ever happen to him. I have sincere doubts that his attitude will improve sitting on the bench next year and what kind of affect will that attitude have on his teammates?

  76. In the Know
    4:41 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    The following are facts:
    1) Harrow has been asked not to come back
    2) Wiltjer has been asked to not come back
    3) Goodwin will go pro
    4) WCS will be back
    5) Poynthress will be back

  77. Comeon!!
    4:45 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Poythress was the terrible attitude for the team. He will be gone. Count on it. If Harrow is forced out its wrong. Period.
    Harrow has heart he’s just not very good. Alex Poythress has no heart, and doesn’t care.

  78. Future ex-fan?
    4:53 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    75. I can remember a time when taking two years to develop into one’s full potential was not considered an outrageous investment. I think Cal is smart enough to know that this is still true. My point was that we have the best coaches, facilities, and access to the national spotlight. These are the things we would deprive Harrow of by sending him elsewhere. Not to mention the chance to practice against the best of the best players, which countless recruits have cited as one of the main reasons for coming to UK. I can’t see how sitting out another year (unless he can graduate — I don’t know if he can or not) and then switching systems, coaches, teammates, and homes again would be in Ryan’s best interest as far as his development is concerned. If it happens it will be because we have been sucked too far down the early-exit rabbit hole, not because it benefits Ryan. That’s the emerging culture I am concerned about. I do agree that his attitude hurts both Ryan and the team, but being forced to compete against the best next year for PT (which our depth problems prevented this year) just may do wonders in the direction of improving his attitude.

  79. Linda Taylor
    5:58 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    78 – None of us knows exactly what has transpired. However, Ryan would be a senior next year if he had stayed at NCSt. To still be dealing with attitude and maturity issues at this stage indicates signs of major problems. I really don’t see this as being “sucked too far down the early-exit rabbit hole”. It’s not like he is 18 years old, he turns 22 next month. Many of our nations young people have been on the battlefield for more than 3 years at Ryan’s age. We are not in the position the coaches are in and do not know what they have to deal with on a daily basis. If it is their judgement that they have done everything they can for him and there is nothing else they can do to help him then I am not going to second guess them. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. Sometimes a kid can just be a bad fit for a program just like BCG was a bad fit for UK as a coach.

  80. Future ex-fan?
    6:28 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    79. Expecting a college kid to mature at the same rate as someone who has been in battle doesn’t seem realistic. Not to mention that the point is irrelevant. Would it be relevant to bring up basketball in a debate about war? Let’s focus on the topic at hand. You say you don’t like to second- guess the coaching staff, but by saying Harrow should leave, they would be second-guessing themselves (for bringing him in the fire place.) This in itself proves that the coaches are fallible. Also using a cliché as an argument is very weak. Everyone knows that a horse will drink the water if you leave him there long enough, so you have actually supported my argument for giving Harrow more time! The horse will drink rather than die, and Ryan will straighten up his attitude rather than be relegated to the ranks of the forgotten bench warmers.

  81. Future ex-fan?
    6:30 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Should say “first place” not “fire place”

  82. Linda Taylor
    8:26 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    80 – The point is realistic. By the time a kid is almost 22 taking direction should not be an issue. Pouting should not be an issue. You are putting words in my mouth when you say that I say Harrow should leave. I never said that. I said I would support the coach’s decision if it comes to that. The coaches know what has been going on, not you or me. Cal did say the program almost got hi-jacked by a(some) player(s) and I support whatever he feels he needs to do to make sure that doesn’t happen again. If that means the hi-jacker(s) need(s) to go, so be it. Kids need to learn to take responsibility for their actions, it’s part of growing up. One reason there are so many people in their 30s and 40s still living with mommy and daddy is because they never learned responsibility and self reliance.

    You stated: “You say you don’t like to second- guess the coaching staff, but by saying Harrow should leave, they would be second-guessing themselves (for bringing him in the fire place.) This in itself proves that the coaches are fallible.”

    Are you serious? The coaches are human and therefore of course they are fallible. All they would be doing is admitting they made a mistake, which humans do, did their best and it didn’t work out.

    What is the symbolic meaning of the proverb, “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink?”

    “Essentially, the proverb of the horse and water points metaphorically to the need for each person to take ownership of his or her own life. An individual has to desire to drink, to learn, to live and to thrive. Although others may provide opportunities for nourishment, learning, advice and assistance, no one can force another to participate in real living or right choices.”

    The horse would be long dead after 2 years of not drinking. Ryan has had ample time to avail himself of the opportunity with which he was presented. My problem with your position is that you have no idea what has been going on yet you unequivocally insist that Ryan stay no matter what. You didn’t coach him the last 2 years. The coaches need to make that assessment not you and not me. If a player loses a scholarship because of attitude problems then I feel the coaches should be fully supported. It is a privilege to play at UK not a right.

  83. Bojangles
    9:16 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    Future ex-fan?: These comments sections breeds a mentality of us against them. I think we are both very realistic in our concerns that our program COULD, if the undertones of the above article end up ringing true, be a program that abandons those who aren’t NBA ready. We would have very patiently seen Harrow’s maturation through as early as 4 years ago, but now we that we’ve tasted significant success are supposed to just keep NBA talent in rotation and abandon those who don’t cut it. It’s lame.

    Linda Taylor: With all due respect, your analogies are God-awful. What are you even talking about?

  84. Future ex-fan?
    9:28 pm March 27, 2013 Permalink

    82. Let me first say that this is a sweet argument we are having. Thanks for hanging in there. I think you misunderstood part of my last post. I did not mean to imply that you wanted Ryan to leave, I was talking about the coaches wanting him to leave. I agree that it is their call, but I have no reservations about doubting them, because as you say, they are human. As far as people living with Mommy too long, I agree there as well, although I don’t see what it has to do with basketball. You seem to be making character judgements about Harrow that I doubt you are qualified to make. I’m more concerned with his play. From what I can see with his two remaining years of eligibility he can be a contributor, especially given how many times Cal has stressed the importance of having experience on the team to complement the young stars. For him to favor bringing in Hawkins over Harrow would seem to condradict those statements. I’m not saying Harrow should stay no matter what. I’m just saying that forcing him out would not be wise, and I will be very disappointed if that happens. It will sour me on Cal’s philosophy. Let’s not forget the tale of Disappearius Miller, who did not truly flourish until his senior year. Where is he living these days? Not with Mommy I can assure you of that. I see Harrow as that type of contributor if he comes into his full maturity. Not saying it will happen, but I do think it could if he has the chance to stay at UK. I guess the whole argument for me comes down to Harrow for Hawkins is not a good swap. Sorry for any typos. I switched to my phone.

  85. Linda Taylor
    12:11 am March 28, 2013 Permalink

    84 – I don’t think Darius could ever have been accused of hi-jacking the team. He and Harrow are different as night and day. Darius was your typical player that needed time to develop and gain confidence. He didn’t have attitude problems. That makes all the difference in the world to me. For me the whole argument boils down to whether or not a player’s presence has a negative influence on the rest of the team, especially if he’s an older member that the younger members normally would look to for leadership. If that negativity has been continually demonstrated by any player then the coaches at some point have to put the best interests of the team ahead of the player who won’t change. When you are part of a team you need to be as positive an influence as possible on the rest of your teammates. If the younger kids see you complaining that the coach “doesn’t understand my game” you aren’t being a good teammate. From all accounts Ryan seems to be a sweet guy. You can be a good person and a poor teammate at the same time. I really hope he isn’t the hi-jacker. But based on the rumors that he won’t be back and things he has said he seems the logical person to have been him. If he is, then he needs to learn a very important lesson and hopefully grow from it. Playing point under Cal is not easy and Harrow may just not be willing, may not even be able, to mold himself into the kind of player Cal demands from his point guards. I’ve never seen Hawkins play but what I’ve read about him is that he plays with tremendous heart, that he has that bulldog tenacity Cal’s point guards need to have. One of the Harrison twins said he has game. I don’t believe Cal would get rid of Ryan for the purpose of making room for Hawkins. I think it would more be a matter of being finished with trying to get Harrow to change and wanting to get rid of a negative influence that he believes would harm the team chemistry next year. This is all speculation. I really hope this will be over soon. I hope nothing but the best for Ryan’s future wherever that is.

  86. Future ex-fan?
    12:39 am March 28, 2013 Permalink

    So you think Harrow might get the boot even if we don’t need his scholarship for Hawkins? That seems to me to be the least likely scenario. Go read the articles where Cal raves about what a special player Ryan is. When he recruited Harrow he was all sunshine and superlatives. If he pulls his scholarship and asks him to leave even if we have space for him it will make Cal look awful to me. Cal recently spoke about how he never gave up on the guys. Never stopped coaching them. If he ditches Harrow and we have scholarships to spare, what do you call that? I say it’s giving up, and Cal will have put his foot in his mouth big time. I don’t see that happening.

  87. Linda Taylor
    12:58 am March 28, 2013 Permalink

    83 – Thank you for your kind input.

  88. Linda Taylor
    1:46 am March 28, 2013 Permalink

    I think Hawkins will be the probable benefactor of Ryan leaving. I believe that quote about Cal never giving up on the guys was in reference to this season. He continually took the blame for the team’s poor performance and only at the very end after the season was over talked about the team almost being hi-jacked because he was trying so hard to save someone. I honestly believe UK is a bad fit for Harrow. There is no place he could have come where he would have encountered more pressure and it doesn’t suit him. I believe he will be happier in a place with less scrutiny and expectations. Ryan has skills there is no doubt but he lacks mental and physical toughness. Cal always says positive things about all of his recruits and I’m sure he believed Ryan would be able to perform adequately. This is the first year Cal has not been able to get his team to buy in and work together as a team. I think he wants to make sure that won’t happen again and he knows who the culprit(s) was(were). You can make sure Cal will learn from this and he will have a deep enough bench to use it for discipline in the future. I don’t know what went on this year but I listen to Matt’s shows and he has hinted that Cal has had to deal with a great many things this year. Matt won’t give specifics as long as that(those) kid(s) are still on the team but apparently more has been going on behind the scenes than we know. You may feel differently once more information comes to light. Cal is not going to hit a home run with every player he recruits but he’ll stand by them forever if they are working their butts off and have great attitudes and are great teammates. Everyone believes all of our schollies will be used next year.

  89. Future ex-fan?
    8:48 am March 28, 2013 Permalink

    Given that Harrow has never been suspended from the team, and never really even been benched (for a whole game I mean), wouldn’t it seem like Cal is skipping a couple of steps if he sends him packing because of attitude problems? I’ve never heard of a coach using that as a first resort, and I think it’s a major knock on Cal for you to suggest that is what he is doing. I saw this whole discussion as Harrow > Hawkins given limited space. If you’re saying Harrow goes regardless of Hawkins because Harrow is bad for the team, that’s a position I can’t understand at all. Cal has other options that he hasn’t exercised to get his message across to Ryan. Jumping straight to kicking him out of the program doesn’t compute for me. As far as Matt Jones is concerned, if he has information that he is not sharing with his audience, that tells you all you need to know about him as a journalist –especially if he teases the info by dropping ‘hints’ but then backs off from it. I’d like to think that’s not the case, but I don’t listen regularly, so I’ll have to defer to what you said.

  90. Jim
    9:58 am March 28, 2013 Permalink

    If anyone transfers it should be Wiltjer. He has no heart,
    doesn’t hustle, couldn’t guard my grandmother and has be-
    come a very inconsistant shooter. He was better last year.
    I’m not a Harrow fan as a starter, but he would be a good
    back-up. We need to take a chance on Hawkins. Did anyone
    notice how he played when games were on the line at the
    state tournament. We need a few Hawkins type players in-
    stead of just looking at a list of top 100 players. Just
    look at some these players no ones herd of carying their
    teams in the tounament.