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Chad Ford doesn’t think Archie Goodwin will go in the first round


ESPN’s Chad Ford released his first 2013 NBA mock draft this afternoon, and not surprisingly, projected Nerlens Noel to be the number one pick, going to the Charlotte Bobcats. However, Ford didn’t list Archie Goodwin in his first round picks. Why?

“The mock draft is about both fit and finding teams who like a particular player,” Ford told the Herald-Leader’s Ben Roberts. “While I think GMs generally think that Goodwin has a chance, I couldn’t find a team in the 20s that had him prioritized over other players on the board. You noticed that both shooting and size become really big as we get further down in the draft.”

Ford said that teams’ biggest concern about Archie was his jump shot, followed by his lack of strength: “Teams are worried he’s going to get pummeled going to the basket the same way he did at Kentucky.”

In fact, Ford said that of the four UK freshmen, Archie needed another year in college the most: “Most NBA scouts and GMs were surprised that he decided to go to the NBA. Of the freshmen, they felt like he was the one who needed another year in college the most.

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50 Comments for Chad Ford doesn’t think Archie Goodwin will go in the first round

  1. minton
    4:03 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    I agree to some extent. Right now is not the picture perfect time for him to go, but next year he might be passed up by other talent. Tough decision either way.

  2. mike porter
    4:05 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Start learning another language you bum bc you’re going straight overseas. I’m so glad to see him leave. he only played for himself.

  3. Rei
    4:06 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    yeah because he was so much worse than Alex Poythress right?

  4. Fancoulo
    4:06 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    It was a good decision for everyone concerned. After hiis talk with Cal, everything cleared up and he made the best decision possible for him and the team.

  5. robbie
    4:06 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    I keep thinking so what stay 2 more years archie. give yourself the best chance to succeed once you get to the nba. he will be in full on survival mode instead. seemed like a good kid and i hope it works out in the end.

  6. Eric K
    4:06 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Didn’t he get paid to sign his name last weekend? Good luck in the D-L….. GO CATS!!

  7. here we go
    4:07 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Cue for the Archie bashing to begin . . .

  8. mike porter
    4:08 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Exactly why Poythress is staying. Just wait Alex is going to turn into another P-Pat. Archie was uncoachable! At this point Alex is to, but another year, probably two is going to do wonders for him.

  9. Hop
    4:10 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    I think he needed a couple more years if not all four. There is nothing wrong with staying in school. Who showed up for his autograph?

  10. asdf
    4:12 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Hope he can sneak into the first round and a guaranteed contract. Otherwise he’s going to have to fight his way up through the d-league or go overseas, which is still way better money than most professionals earn anyway. So Archie’ll be okay.

  11. He Said What
    4:13 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Archie will get picked up and make a roster first or second round and he’ll have his chance to improve and make a NBA roster after a couple years. He’s taking a gamble on it…might pay off, might not.

    Either way, he knew he was stuck to wait for his junior year to leave if he didn’t this year due to the deep draft next year (and incoming UK class). He’ll learn in the D-League rather than college, he has the same chance to be on a NBA roster in two years just like he would have if he came back to school. Difference is he’ll be getting paid and not have to do anyting other than basketball by going this year.

    Was it a smart move? Don’t think we’ll know the answer for a couple years.

    Finish his classes and do his part for UK is all I ask of the young man and I’ll consider him a Cat for life whether he makes it or not. He is going after his dream and a chance very few get.

  12. asdf
    4:13 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    NON-ATHLETIC professionals, I meant. Y’know…doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc.

  13. David D
    4:14 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    #6 Eric– You are a JACKA$$! You have no idea for Archie’s reasoning. I supported him while he was at UK and I will support him no matter where he plays! I bet you are a sad stack that couldn’t score in Vegas with a stack Franklins!

  14. Melvit
    4:17 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Only Archie and his “friends” think he will go in the first round.

  15. Hillsy
    4:23 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    I’ve never understood the whole “well, he wouldn’t play next year, so he has to leave now” argument. He may have needed his Junior and Senior year to become highly draftable.

  16. Eric K
    4:26 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Man it’s great hearing from people that don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground….#13 choke on it! GO CATS!!

  17. Barkley likes Chane Bo-hanan
    4:26 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    15 – absolutely. I wish him the best, but really wished we could have seen a junior year version of Archie leading UK to the NC in 2015 then becoming a top 10 draft pick.

  18. sdjh
    4:26 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    yall are all some dolphins doe…

  19. David D
    4:30 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    #6 & 16
    I know the difference between an ass and a hole in the ground—an ass is the thing your mother charges $5 for entering!

  20. Justin
    4:33 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Is anyone shocked by this?!?

  21. catlogic15
    4:33 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    I feel right bad for Archie. All year the “draft experts” had him mid-first round and then when the kid blows his amateur status he falls completely off the board?

    That’s a shame. I hope he fufills his first round dream.

  22. Some of these Comments
    4:34 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Some of these comments are….well, they’re pretty darn classy and refeshing.

  23. Boogie
    4:35 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Some kids need to learn the hard way. You can get a 6’4 guard for a dime a dozen. Archie has nothing that I see as “valuable.” If you’re going to take a chance on a guy in the draft why not get a big guy instead of a small guard?

  24. Mark Liptak
    4:37 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    I understand family considerations played a part in his decision. I sincerely hope the kid wasn’t talked into something that he wasn’t ready for by others.

    Mark Liptak

  25. oddthomas
    4:37 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    As of right now we have 11 players on scholarship with two openings. If Hawkins gets an offer then Cal must know one of two things. Either he knows Noel is for sure going pro or he knows he is not getting Wiggins. He can’t commit to Hawkins with Noel still hanging in the fold without giving up on Wiggins. Which of the two scenerios is more likely or am I just thinking way too hard at this point?

  26. Kyle
    4:40 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    I wish Archie the best of luck at his future endeavors and thank him for his time at Kentucky.

  27. Blue Hair
    4:41 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    It took the 25th comment to get to the scholarship situation this time.

  28. UKBlue1!
    4:50 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    #25 special speak regarding the scholarships. They are year to year. Polson,Malone, and Long are all walk-ons. Polson and Hood graduate this spring. There are only 11 being used assuming what Hood tweeted earlier this month is correct. There are TWO available. Plenty of room for Noel, Hawkins or Wiggins. NOEL is NOT coming back unless something is seriously wrong with is rehab.

  29. I know
    4:58 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Noel is gone, don’t think about that…. 100%.. Write it down, he will be signing autos soon at lexsportscards. lol
    Hawkins is coming…
    Wiggins is 80% positive.

  30. Bobbum man
    4:58 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    8- I agree, I think we’ll see AP become a beast, people forget he had similar numbers to a guy by the name of Jamal mashburn his freshman year, some kids just can’t get it in one year but the potential is definately there… That being said AG made a bad decision IMO I understand the draft next year and everything but he could have still improved and been a solid first rounder instea of a probable 2nd rounder and D league bound because let’s face it he’s not gonna be contributing to any nba team this season… Wish him the best though, an also Bobcats becoming BBNs team? Need one more rough year now so they could add wiggins or another cat to go with Nerlens and MKG

  31. RealCatsFan
    5:06 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Would love to see Nerlens come back (yeah I know, wishful thinking), but if not, then the next best thing would be to see him teaming up with another great ex-UK player like MKG!

  32. Undrafted
    5:13 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    He’s 3+yr player. Shouldn’t let the incoming class or weak current class cloud his judgment about NBA prospects. He could be a top 10 stud with time & playing against the Super 6. For all we know, maybe he doesn’t have the academic capacity to stay on board for a few yrs. Now, he’ll disappear into oblivion.

  33. Wondering
    5:27 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Kemba… Darn it

  34. RealCatsFan
    5:29 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    So far for UL both Dieng and Smith are gone, look for Behanan to follow and Harrell to seriously consider it. You read it here first.

  35. UKani
    5:42 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Best thing Archie Goodwin could have done was stayed in school and battled it out on the team next year and let reality sit in that his real opportunity for the NBA won’t be until after his junior year.

    I would say that he should pull out of the draft and then transfer schools since UK is using up his scholarship but since he’s already getting paid by signing autographs then that is thrown out the window.

  36. RealCatsFan
    5:50 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Guys like Archie should serve as a warning to some of these kids who come into college all pie in the sky about NBA dreams after one year. Cal should use this as an example to some of these kids who should stay and develop for another year or two.

  37. UKRN
    5:52 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    So what big names are in the draft from other colleges? Anyone know?

  38. soggyUKgrad
    6:06 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    I think Archie would’ve benefitted the most (financially AND professionally) by staying two more years….he could’ve been a lottery pick, which would’ve made his 3-year rookie contract much more lucrative, and he could’ve developed his jump-shot while getting stronger physically. Having said that, I wish him the best!!!

  39. Jim
    6:07 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Just shows part of the problems with this team. Me first attitude and that he’s not quite as good as he thinks he is. He obviously knows more than Coach Cal and ALL the NBA people. Not saying he won’t make it someday but HE IS NOT READY!

  40. Boogie'sBigToe
    6:10 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Hope for Archie’s sake he gets it, and soon – when you get to the pay-for-play NBA, uncoachable = unemployed. Best of luck.

  41. Tim Kathlina
    6:17 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Everyone agrees with this assessment and has told Archie, but just like during the season, HE WONT LISTEN. Like Coach Cal said, “I can’t coach you”. Wish Archie the best, but he has made his life much, much more difficult now.

  42. really
    6:25 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    A) No one can fault this kid for trying to make some money, even if it’s D-league or European money for a while.
    B) None of us know his situation or his real motives for going pro.

    Don’t fault the kid or berate him. Wish him the best. Like he cares what any of us yahoos think, anyway.

  43. bil
    6:30 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    The NBA does not have to draft him. YOu do know that do you not? He has not hired an agent according to rumors. Prince once tried to enter the draft but was not drafted.

  44. go ducks
    6:35 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    43- if the earlier ksr report that he charged for autographs was true, he’s not coming back. Still may not get drafted as you say, but he won’t be a Cat.

  45. bluesman
    7:13 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    #44 Morris not Prince

  46. bluesman
    7:14 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Sorry #44 mean #43

  47. Katdaddy
    7:31 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    What can Archie do well? NOTHING! He Can’t shoot, He can’t hit free throws, He can’ t defend. Dude from texas am dropped 40 on him. Uncoachable, Not a team player. Glad as hell he is gone.

  48. Steve
    10:12 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    47 says it all.

  49. dave
    3:32 am April 10, 2013 Permalink

    Archie will be ALL OVER that D-League. Is the dude ass poor? If not, he’s probably going to regret this decision. Three years at Kentucky probably would have put him in the lottery. I understand why a Noel or Davis or MKG would be off to the NBA Draft in a rush. They were guaranteed money. Goodwin is FAR from guaranteed ANYTHING.

    But ya can’t tell some people jack shit. Hard headed mofos gotta learn on their own.

  50. Kbsport
    8:40 am April 10, 2013 Permalink

    Can’t be stated.better than 47