CBS asks who was better: 2012 UK or 2013 Louisville
If you’ve visited CBS Sports in the past few hours, odds are you’ve noticed the fan poll on their college basketball page asking “Which championship team was more impressive?: 2012 Kentucky or 2013 Louisville?”
Is that really a question? Props to Louisville and all, but last year’s team was on a different level.
97 Comments for CBS asks who was better: 2012 UK or 2013 Louisville
Didn’t the 2012 UK team beat this UL team twice last year?
Spot on KSR. 2012 was special in its own right and I, along with others, hope 13-14 is special in its own way as well.
Louisville needed help from the officials both games in final 4 and barely won in come from behind efforts…….against the worst college bball pool of talent in quite some time…..there was not one game in the tourney last year that I thought for 1 second we were gonna lose……..against a much better landscape of college bball
Uh, last’s years UK team played essentially this year’s Louisville team and beat them.. Twice.. Including the Final Four.
That’s like asking what you’d rather drive, a Pinto or a Mercedes
Lucky enough we know the answer to that question because these teams played each other twice.
I think qualified experts (NBA GMs) will tell us which team was better in late June. I like the Cats’ chances.
Last year’s UL was better. They had Kuric on that team. He would have started all year this year. Pretty sure we beat them handily two times last year.
A better question is, how much is Russ Smith’s departure going to hurt Yda ville, losing 3 starters, including the entire back court? (no way Ware can play next year)
Will Smith going pro have any effect on Chane Behanon’s decision?
The question is: Which run was more impressive. UK’s 38 wins by a young team? Or UL’s seasoned team with blue collar workman gutsy team.
Ricky’s House of Cards may be crumbling…..
The only player from UL that would likely start on that team is Russ Smith, it would be close between Siva and Teague.
Let’s be real. There was not a # 1 seed this year who could have been above a # 2 last year. Talent is way down across college basketball this year because last year.
ridiculous question!
Well let’s c UK(38-2) u of l this year (35-5) yep nuff said there!! Last years UK team beat this years Louisville team TWICE!! SO I say with out a shadow of a doubt uks team is waaaay better
I wonder who Rick’s aborted fetus thinks is better between 2012 UK and 2013 cards. I bet the fetus is UK all the way on this one.
Joke of a question…. Not to mention ULs cakewalk to the final
What a stupid poll from the troll happy CBS website.
Where is the KSR post on the Peyton Siva hoe scandal? That stuff is hilarious.
When Noel was healthy, they werent all that better than THIS year’s UK team in their own house
Let’s also not forget the run UK had in the tourney was against much better competition and higher seeds #16,8,4,3,4,2. This year’s winner won against a weaker group seeded #18,8,12,2,9,4.
obviously i meant #16 not #18
To be fair, it doesn’t say better, it says impressive. That could be interpreted as which run was less expected. Given the Ware issue, some may see Louisville’s run as more impressive. If the question was which team was better, no question UK all day.
This can’t be serious, right?
Last years UK team put 6 in the draft, #1 and #2 overall. This uofl team, who knows, and FOR SURE not the #1 and #2 overall picks. Hell, in a ‘weak’ draft, UK (who didn’t make the tourney) is probably gonna have the #1 overall (again) and Goodwin. Hell, we may have as many drafted as uofl this year (not really seeing siva, smith, or behanen all getting picked / deng only sure pick).
Which team was more impressive? Let’s look at the facts:
1) The one that sent 6 players to the NBA.
2) … actually, do we even need any more reasons? No.
Which title team is most impressive? 2014 UK
I only pray we can play a MVC team in the Final Four.
Is James Michael Mcadoo returning to UNC??
Cards fan here. I didnt read this article – no need to. There is no question that the 2012 UK team was better, and I would probably put them in top 5 of all time – or at least top 5 over the last 40 years. Anthony Davis is a beast and would have proably gone down in history as one of the best collegiate players ever had he stayed 3-4 years.
28- I just had a heart attack reading that.
When Louisville gets one (1) individual in the top ten of any NBA draft, we can discuss this. Kentucky 2012 hands down.
Insecure????Who Cares its all debatable.
29 – Gotta give credit when credit is due.
I guess we base best team of NBA draft picks, NOT that means Michigan or even UK would’ve been best team this year. And we all know that’s not so.
UK 2012 was a dominant team all year. There were zero dominant teams this year including UL.
Hey!! They didn’t ask who was BETTER you idiot! They asked which run was more impressive.. Wow. Can you even read??
Just voted UK up 59% to UL’s 41%. Too close so please vote. GO BIG BLUE!!
This article makes me sick. Guy have an agenda much?
“We typify what college basketball is all about,” Siva said as he massaged his cramping thighs. “We got different people from different backgrounds, and everybody just really came together. For us to really bond like this, we really have a family.”
“College basketball is more than just one-and-dones,” he continued. “It’s a family. It just shows that there are teams out there who are family and worried about college instead of other things.”
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/louisville-michigan-national-championship-game-brings-back-purity-to-college-basketball-040913
If the question is about which run was more impressive that is an even easier question with a more obvious answer. All due respect but this was not a very impressive run in a season devoid of dominant teams and star talent. A title is a title, but the run to that title for UL was lackluster…playing a second round game in the FF and a sweet 16 game in the Championship game is supposed to be impressive?
37 Whats funny about that is that Siva wouldve killed to play for Cal because he would be in the league already lol
Why the control freaks working the mod boards today? Posted an opinion that thought the Cards were better and you delete it? WTF?
I don’t know what NBA draft picks have to do with it. But hands down its UK 2012. Never once that entire tournament were they threatened. Ul needed a little help wit a 9 seed.
cbs asks the mandatory question for metrics’ sake. if anyone wants to step back to last year and see the level of talent in the 2013 ncaat vs 2014, there is really no question which team will be remembered as better. congrats to the cards, but basketball history will not remember you for long. you are a footnote unless you repeat within the next couple of decades.
Let me put it this way – if UK had returned all the underclassmen from last year’s team this year, they would have run roughshod over the entire field in the tourney.
Siva>Teague
Russ>Lamb
BlackshearDjeng
It’s closer than you think… UL has a much deeper bench ala Harrell and Hancock and Ware
go Mods!! Get a real job!
28. I’m a card fan and agree with what you said.
However, lets not act like UK put these guys into the NBA. They were preseason picked to go to the NBA, when do you guys stop claiming you put people in the NBA and realize you have been a stopping point? Not saying you don’t get great players, but you are getting NBA in, not putting it out.
Also funny that anytime UK has a down year, you guys say there is no talent out there.
And UK’s run in the tourney last year might have been dominate, but we won 3 of the 5 by more than 20 points.
what a Russdiculous question. Even I can admit that last years team would’ve smacked us…again.
J in Orlando, so next years recruiting class for UK, are largely predicted to go 1st round next year, tell me again how UK had anything to do with that?
#43
Wouldn’t happen, all would have flunked out by the end of the summer intercession and given up.
Gotta suck to be a Cats fan the last 7 months the way the institution down I 64 has dominated college sports in the area.
Michigan guards way better then UK guards last year Teague and lamb…you know it, I know it and the world knows it…The Cards guards would run the gas right out of Teague and lamb…
46 They put me in the NBA. Yes, I know I’m not there anymore. But you have to admit I never would have been there at all if it weren’t for Cal. And yes, you won by more points but you also played lower seeds. Also, we aren’t the only ones saying it was a down year. Every sports talking head out there seems to agree. Why do you think so many players from this years’ awful UK team could actually go pro? Bc the draft is weak bc the league is weak.
So with that said UK would have made it to the final four bit wouldn’t have won it
49 Gotta suck to only have 3 national championships when the institution down I 64 has 8.
50 lol yeah they would run the guards right out of Teague and Lamb…just like they did twice last year.
Jorts shut up, you was out of your league..
*gas
44 – I take Lamb over Smith ANY day…
54 that’s what I’m saying, moron. I wasn’t supposed to make it to the NBA but thanks to Cal I was. Go back to flipping burgers. I’ll make more money playing overseas than your McDonald’s career will ever pay.
#50 Then why the hell didnt they do that to them last year? You make no sense at all.
50- yeah, Michigan guards are better than 2 NBA pros earning millions. Damn you’re retarded.
51. Yes, ONE player, ONE I will give you that. This years team had 4 preseason 1 rounders and now has 2.
I think Baby Mama will have more affect on Chane’s decision than Russ’.
What difference does it make???? UK won 2012 & UL won 2013….if u are old enuff 2 remember , Rick coached here, too.Go Coach Cal … UK !!!!!
Here’s a poll question: “Which school had a better 2 year run in men’s basketball?” I don’t think we’ll like the answer.
63- why use 2 years? Why not 3 or 4? oh, because it doesn’t fit your agenda. That’s why you use 2 years as a guage. Another retard. Place is full of retards.
@63: If you take 2011 and 2012 for UK, and 2012 and 2013 for UofHell, then they’re strikingly similar.
2011: UK as a 4 seed knocks off a 1 seed and gets to the Final 4, losing to the eventual national champion.
2012: UK wins it all
2012: UofL as a 4 seed knocks off a l seed and gets to the Final 4, losing to the eventual national champion.
2013: UofL makes child sacrifices summoning the spirits of darkness and wins it all.
65. I’m a UL fan, but that is exactly what I was thinking
64. everyone uses numbers that favor them, yes even UK fans.
64 and 65 – I have no agenda, just that we’ve been pretty sanctimonious about last year’s NC and our 1 and done system. Hey, I haven’t gotten over the Runts yet.
and I hope that don’t mean next year we don’t make the tournament.
66- Really? The only timeline UK uses is the entire HISTORY of the game.
@68: I think UofL will be fine next year; it’s gonne be IU that sees a drop-off if Zeller and Oladipo (Turtle-Man) leave.
The Louisville vs Michigan game was more entertaining than Kentucky vs Kansas from a pure basketball perspective. The storylines with Ware and Spike were better. The team’s were not close. Kentucky would have had the best chance of anyone in recent memory to go undefeated if our team decided to come back from last year. Davis, Jones, MKG, Lamb, Teague, Wiljter and a couple of these freshmen would have beaten these Birds by double digits.
48 You can easily look around the country at the top talent that goes elsewhere only to end up sticking around school when they believed they would be one and done (and yes, EVERY SINGLE TOP PLAYER thinks they are a one and done NBA prospect without exception)…Kenny Boynton, Wayne Blackshear, Will Barton, the list goes on and on…Teague, Bledsoe, Orton are just some examples of players that would only have been one and done under Calipari…Calipari specializes in taking in a player with NBA potential and allowing that player to play in a system that is about showcasing them, as opposed to a system which sabotages their draft stock. Coaches can go out of their way to help a kid realize their dreams or to make their own jobs easier…Recruits and their advisors know which ones are which…this is why Pitino doesn’t get those players generally and Cal does
69. because that is to your advantage, correct? If you were to say the last 30 years, or since 3 point line, or since african americans were really allowed to play, that would mess it all up for you, right?
Example: Would you say Princeton is the most elite college football program? They have lots more championships than Alabama.
73- Only losers manipulate time lines. Sounds like you are a loser to me.
oh and your Princeton example doesn’t work. It’s about what you’ve done from the 1st day till the current time (2013). Sorry, Princeton wouldn’t be in consideration due to the fact that they haven’t been conisistently good. Bama pretty much has. Are you just trying to debate just for the sake of debating?? because that’s what it looks like to me. Which is another thing losers do…..
72. So you recruit kids that are picked to go pro, and would had they been able to from high school, yet that was Cal? You are confused my man. Tell you what, if Derek Willis is a one and done, I will submit that it is Cal genious player development that got him there.
74. Bama was not consistently good until the past 10-15 years. Guess what, UL has been consistantly good in bball and football pretty consistently for the past 10-15 years, oh but that would be manipulating the timeline right? You proved my point that everyone manipulates timelines.
76- so Bama just became historically good 10-15 yrs ago? You’re a bigger dumbass than I thought
‘Bama’s been consistently good for much, much longer than the past 10-15 years. They’re definitely hitting a peak right now, but they’ve been one of the premier programs since before Bear Bryant got there.
What a stupid question. This is worse than one of those AT&T commercials where the guy asks the kids the stupid “Which is better” questions. The 2012 UK Champs went 38-2, winning most of their games by 10+ points, while going undefeated in the SEC. They trailed less ALL YEAR, than the 2013 UL ChUmps did in the NCAA tourney ALONE (a bit of an exaggeration, but not far from the truth).
No question UK was the better team.
Also no question (in my mind) Pitino is a better coach than Cal.
Louisville nearly took UK last year and this year’s team was at least 20% better.
I would take Louisville in a one and done.
Last year no Harrell and no Hancock-huge difference.
Siva=better, Smith=better, Dieng=better
Defense=best CBB D in past ten years.
Dumb question… A group of ‘mainly’ freshman that had such a high ceiling vs a talented/mature team that we already beat twice? That Kentucky team was ‘almost’ unbeatable last year. This year??? They didn’t even have Luke Peckerhead.
There was no dominating team this year, the NBA draft is weak, that tells you everything you need to know. Cograts to UL on a great year.
Siva, Smith and Dieng may be better wouldn’t it make sense that UK’s players would get better too? Again, congrats to UL but if you mixed both teams and let Pitino pick a starting line-up, I’m going to say 4 from the UK team and 1 from the UL but no way more than that.
65, wasn’t that back in 2003 when Pitino made his child sacrifices? Took a while for the spell to take hold…
The 2012 Cats had much better talent than the 2013 Cards. But which team would win in a one on one match up is an open question. Both teams played well together but the Cards seemed to overcome adversity better. That being said A. Davis would be the best player on the floor.
Wow everyone I have seen in here is the armpit of the fanbase. Pure fanatics and need help.
87- proud of it too.
81 “Defense=best CBB D in past ten years.” That’s a bold statement. I doubt players who were getting the ball jammed back in their face by Davis would agree with you.
81-Best in 10 years? Horrible take. Not even close to being true.
81 best cbb in ten years, is laughable. Teaching players to foul constantly is not good defense.
This UL team lost twice last year to a younger UK team. Pitino should thank Cal for the one and dones. If last years UK had returned in or as scheduled No.9 would be ours. Last year was an up year for talent in college basketball and the draft. This year is a down year for both. I’m happy for UL getting no. 3 but it wouldn’t had happened if this had been an up year.
How is this even a question? You could speculate if they HADN’T PLAYED EACH OTHER LAST SEASON!
We gave them all they wanted THIS year at their place. Made free throws would have sealed the deal. They should be glad our freshmen from last year’s team didn’t come back for one more year. You best believe those bird fans know that’s true.
i dont understand how winning with upperclassmen is better than winning with fresh/soph.. ware did not effect the team most season.
I am not making up the #1 defense. There is a service (KenPom I believe it is called) which ranks defensive efficiency. They have been ranking defensive efficiency for 10 years and this year’s U of L team has the highest ranking ever recorded.
For the record, I thought UK was great last year and respected the hell out of Davis in particular. It really confirmed to me how special he was watching him dive after loose balls and into the stands during the FF-knowing he was just a couple of days from an enormous pay day and risking injury.
One thing I think UK fans are overlooking about next year is what a special chemistry Davis, Gilchrist, and the rest had. That was a huge reason UK did so well last year-not just talent.
Just bringing in the best talent does not necessarily dictate you will be the best team. UK had lots of talent this year.
UL average margin of victory in NCAA tourn. was 16. UK was 11. I think enough said