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BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: Knight, Liggins, Harrellson Difference-Makers


What does this picture have to do with this post?  Well, it’s a cat and we cheer for the Cats.  So eat it.

For once, I am not the one who came up with the stats below, but I do think they are very interesting.  KSR reader Tony broke down the scoring differences in UK’s wins and losses, and what percentage of points are scored by each player.  And what you find is that who scores the points changes drastically between the wins and losses.  Take a look:

In 17 wins (1346 points total)
Brandon Knight (313 points): 23.2%
Terrence Jones (290 points): 21.5%
Doron Lamb (224 points): 16.6%
Darius Miller (167 points): 12.4%
Deandre Liggins (167 points): 12.4%
Josh Harrellson (118 points): 8.8%
Eloy Vargas (36 points): 2.7%
Jon Hood (21 points): 1.6%
Jarrod Polson (6 points): 0.4%
Stacey Poole (4 points): 0.3%

In 6 losses (413 points total)
Terrence Jones (114 points): 27.6%
Doron Lamb (88 points): 21.3%
Brandon Knight (84 points): 20.3%
Darius Miller (59 points): 14.3%
Deandre Liggins (36 points): 8.7%
Josh Harrellson (17 points): 4.1%
Eloy Vargas (10 points): 2.4%
Jon Hood (5 points): 1.2%

So, what does this mean?  Well, to me it means the Cats HAVE TO HAVE BRANDON KNIGHT SCORE.  When he is not scoring, Terrence Jones and Doron Lamb are forced to pick up the slack, which doesn’t seem like a bad option, but has proven to be a losing option this season.  Another key has been increased production from Deandre Liggins.  When the Cats are losing, Liggins has been almost non-existent.  When they win, he scores just as much as Darius Miller.  On the other hand, as much grief as Miller has taken as times this season, he actually scores THE SAME AMOUNT in wins or losses.  Miller has been much more consistent than people give him credit for. 

But do you agree with me: Are the 2 most “important” players to this teams success Brandon Knight and Deandre Liggins?   

Article written by Bryan the Intern

42 Comments for BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: Knight, Liggins, Harrellson Difference-Makers



  1. Gogh Big Bleu
    10:06 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    BOOM.



  2. UK Student n Fan
    10:06 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    YES, I AGREE, ALONG WITH TJ GIVING THE BALL TO THEM AND SHOWING HIS PASSING ABILITY.



  3. Sceptic
    10:08 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    So, the lest TJ shoots the ball the better chance we have to win. Seems counter to your end game stats from the other day. Pass the ball.



  4. Positive Spin
    10:11 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Darius Miller has been consistent, but he has been conistently average. If he was more agressive in ALL games then even the wins would be more comfortable wins.



  5. upscat
    10:15 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    When we lose Knight struggles!! We make our comebacks when down because Knight gets hot!!



  6. Richard Simmons
    10:15 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    AH HA! It’s true, when more of our players score more points we have a greater chance of winning. This is truly a remarkable insight that I had not considered.



  7. Willis talkin bout..
    10:19 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Radio show sucks today…



  8. Bryan the Intern
    10:19 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    6) Actually Jones, Lamb, and Miller score LESS in wins. As the numbers show. Which you didn’t read. Boom!



  9. creinle
    10:19 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Not the correct stats to look at to come to your conclusion. A weighted average of offensive stats per win/loss would look better. Get to work Tony



  10. SelfishM
    10:22 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    That cat has Vanderbilt colored eyes. Not cool. Is that your cat BTI?



  11. Syrin
    10:24 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    I have said for a long time now, this team wins and loses with Brandon Knight and whether or not he scores. Liggins is a plus, but not as crucial. BUT, the problem with Liggins is that when he doesn’t score, he also doesn’t rebound, and his D isn’t as good. It’s as if scoring drives his whole game. We need his rebounding more than his scoring, but I’d rather have both.

    Harrelson, HAS to get us 6-8 points and 8-12 rebounds a night for us to be consistently good. he can’t have lapses of 2 points, 5 boards. We lose at that point.



  12. Cristoforouk
    10:27 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    What about Harrellson? His scoring percentage is twice as high in wins, and you mention him in your title as a difference maker but no mention of him in your post?



  13. Sweetcakes
    10:27 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    8 – I think you missed 6’s point…what 6 said was ‘when MORE of our players score more points we have a greater chance of winning’…which means when MORE players other than the 3 top three score, we win more…which is what your statistics are alluding to.



  14. Cory Brandt
    10:28 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    I would throw in a third that Josh Harrellson has to be on the court for us to win. We need his rebounding, his body and not Eloy Vargas. Cats will have a hard time winning in the tournament with a small lineup (Knight, Lamb, Liggins, Miller, Jones). Keep Josh out of foul trouble and we will be fine.

    I would also say Jones needs to hit shots early so he isn’t forcing things because he is frustrated



  15. I like
    10:29 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    I think Liggins is the key.

    When Knight struggles we have lost, but not by much. If Liggins is aggressive on both ends of the floor we win regardless.



  16. Richard Simmons
    10:30 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    13)Exactly



  17. Sweetcakes
    10:31 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    “So, what does this mean? Well, to me it means the Cats HAVE TO HAVE BRANDON KNIGHT SCORE.”

    no, to me your statistics mean that we have to have players than the top 3 (Jones, Knight, Lamb) score some points. Those three account for around 61% of our points in wins and around 69% in losses…so doesn’t that mean in order to win, other players need to account for more points?



  18. Jason
    10:37 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Are you guys nuts?

    It’s evidently clear to me that Jarrod Polson is the most important.

    Lookee here… When he plays, we have 100% of all the games.



  19. MissinBoogie
    10:37 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    basically I think this shows that we win more when Liggins and Harrelson score more. Knight, Jones, and Lamb together already account for enough points, but in losses Liggins and Harrelson score about 4% less each. So instead of putting the heat on Knight to score, how about putting it on the other guys? If you must put it on anyone, that is.



  20. Wildcobb Salad
    10:40 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Brandon Knight and Josh Harrellson are the two most important.



  21. Claw
    10:42 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Knight seems to shoot better in the first half. When he gets tired in the second half, his outside shot doesn’t seem to go in very regularly. So the answer is: Knight shoots threes in first half…Lamb shoots em in the second half. Problem solved.



  22. UK
    10:47 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    What we need is Liggins, Miller, Lamb, Harrelson, Knight, and Jones ALL to score, and i bet we win!



  23. Blue Chip
    10:49 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Shouldn’t an internship end at some point?



  24. NBA Scout
    10:50 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Pitino Sypher story aparently comming to a close

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6106040



  25. Don
    10:50 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    The most telling statistic is that when we core more points as a team vs our opponent…..we flippin’ win! /thread



  26. Lolcats
    10:50 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Why haven’t we put Kanter in at all?



  27. B
    10:59 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    7 – Agreed. Big Easy and Handsome Jimmy??? F’n awful! They should be on 790 not 1080.



  28. Bluecalizone
    11:03 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Smart teams will go at Josh to get him in foul trouble. They know he’s not athletic which makes him even more of a target. Not saying that other teams can always be successful trying this, but all it takes is one game in the Tourny and its curtins.



  29. Loyal Royal
    11:08 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    The three freshman & Miller score the same everytime. The 11 point difference comes from Liggins, Harrelson, and “the bench”. The bench being Vargas, Hood, Polson, Poole.



  30. Dave
    11:09 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Keeping Harrelson in the game playing good defense and setting screens is the most vital IMO. In games where he gets into foul trouble quick we have struggled. His leadership on the floor is very important.



  31. WHO'SBLU4U
    11:31 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    #6 I love it LOL! Yea not sure what this tells us, but if Brandon doesn’t score 3% more we lose? It looked pretty much the same wether we won or lost! The point is we need our three best freshmen to at least hit there averages, and our vets need to be above there averages to win, period! It reminds me of the Joe & Denny show stating that the team that scores the most will win!



  32. BigBlueFan31
    11:53 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    8. Goes the dynamite?

    I think someone said in a previous post that the les Jones shoots the better. I tend to agree with this as crazy as it sounds. I would like to see him limited to about 8-10 shots and preferrably in the paint. Sure, he can shoot from the outside. So can JORTS, but he doesn’t jack up a 3 every time he is open. What is most important is that Liggins make layups and draw fouls to get to the line and JORTS clean up misses. If Liggins and Josh can get 10 each/game and the rest get their averages, we’d be a final 4 contender!



  33. Huh?
    11:56 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    I don’t see the big differences (except with a couple players):

    Difference in scoring percentages W -> L

    Brandon Knight -2.9%
    Terrence Jones +6.1%
    Doron Lamb +4.7%
    Darius Miller +1.9%
    Deandre Liggins -3.7%
    Josh Harrellson -4.7%
    Eloy Vargas -0.3%
    John Hood -0.4%

    First of all, is there anything useful that can be learned from this?

    It appears that we’re relying much more on Jones and Lamb for scoring in our losses because Liggins and Harrellson (and to a lesser extent, Knight) are scoring less. Knight appears to be one of the more consistent scorers in W’s vs L’s. The biggest difference is actually Harrellson, not Liggins, but both need to do well to help insure a win.

    Overall, the differences aren’t as striking as the article seems to imply, imo.



  34. Hi
    11:59 am February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Instead of regular cat eyes, this one has the oregon logo. Weird.



  35. Peoplewhowork
    12:10 pm February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Knight, Liggins, and Harrelson seem to be the key. Also fewer minutes for Miller as when we lose he scores more points.



  36. ibleedblue
    12:11 pm February 11, 2011 Permalink

    Tj and Lamb score more in losses because they can score on anyone. Knight and liggins cannot. When Liggins scores anything consider it extra on top of his defense and overall hustle. Miller on the otherhand is often the most athletic kid on the court and could score 20+ a game if he just would…..



  37. tbd4567
    12:30 pm February 11, 2011 Permalink

    It is not who scored the points for the CATS. It is who stopped the other team from scoring that is problematic. In our losses the CATS did not score as well as usual. Of greater note is our poor ability to stop the other team from scoring.



  38. The Real Hambone
    12:48 pm February 11, 2011 Permalink

    a very intelligent coach once said… “we can’t play a lick but we don’t allow the other team to play either.” I think that coach’s name might have been Rupp or something like that. DEFENSE… is the key, plain and simple…IMO… and Rupp’s.



  39. Wake Up
    1:35 pm February 11, 2011 Permalink

    The real key is that in the UK Wins, according to this breakdown, Poole has scored. So the key to the season is Poole getting to play and score. What is the story on this anyway? He never plays, and Matt Jones never posts my questions about it on the Live Blog?



  40. ChemCat
    2:44 pm February 11, 2011 Permalink

    #19 said what I was thinking.



  41. UK2012
    12:47 am February 12, 2011 Permalink

    That cats eyes look like Oregon logos.



  42. Erniecat
    12:47 am February 12, 2011 Permalink

    What is Jones,Knight shooting % in loses. They may be scoreing as much or more in loses but taking more shots,so it takes shots from the other players.