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Archie opens up about his decision to go pro

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On Saturday night, Archie Goodwin held his first professional autograph session, which meant that he was signing off on his amateur status as well. With the latest mock drafts projecting him to go in the late first or early second round, Archie’s decision has been a hot topic of debate over the past week. Archie opened up to LEX 18 about what made him choose to take the leap to the next level:

“I talked to my family and guys that I really value their opinion, my heart was telling me to leave. I felt like I did what I needed to do here. We might not have had the season that we wanted to have but I think I did enough to where I felt comfortable enough to leave. I felt if I came back here we would have had an even better team but at the same time, I just thought it was my time to go no matter if they were coming or a totally different class is coming.”

Archie said that he spoke with Willie Cauley-Stein and Alex Poythress about going pro, but in the end, each of their decisions were their own. Right now, he’s heard that he could go anywhere from the mid to late first round, a projection he hopes improves before June’s draft.

Best of luck to you, Archie.

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108 Comments for Archie opens up about his decision to go pro

  1. Eric Wright or Eazy E it's all the same
    12:36 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink


  2. lonnieb
    12:37 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Im totally against ever bashing any of the uk players and think the people who are uk fans that do it consistently are pathetic………I do however feel that if archie thought felt he did what he needed to do here…………..he has worn blinders all season. He only had 2/3 games that lived up to what I expected from him all season……..coming in i never thought he would be a player that I was excited when he dropped 20…………..i assumed it would be a regular thing…….I do love him for playing hard all the time………….and completely understand why he is leaving with the weakest draft in the past 10-15 years……but i hope deep down inside he does not really believe what he said above or he is in trouble at the next level.

  3. CUK02
    12:40 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    This is a failure of the Calipari system. A guy comes in with absolutely zero interest in anything other than going pro. Doesn’t become a teammate. Leads team to a first round NIT loss and leaves for the NBA.

    Cal usually hits home runs, but this guy was a bust in his philosophy.

  4. Truth
    12:41 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    He’s not as good as the harrisons & young. He had to go

  5. me ... a UK fan
    12:41 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    all the best archie ! finish your school work and you’ve lived up to your end of the deal

  6. Jughead
    12:44 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Wrong decision, but I wish him luck.

  7. no
    12:46 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I am okay with Archie leaving, but I am disappointed with his comments here. It is one thing to come in, improve, leave a positive legacy on the program, and fully be part of the big blue nation. I don’t see that Archie did those things. He played hard, but that was because of his focus on leaving.

    I wish Archie the best. But in all honesty he was not successful here.

  8. UKBlue1!
    12:50 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Good luck. Work on the jump shot and your passing. Hopefully, you will get taken by a team with guards that are willing to work with you.

    #3 The problem was not with Archie. We had no depth and Noel’s injury did not help. Help is on its way. I’ll take a NCAA title and Cal’s system. It beats the heck our of the 2000-09 era prior to coach Calipari’s arrival. If he goes to another NIT next year, I’ll worry.

  9. NextYearNow
    12:51 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    this has nothing to do w this post, I just thought it was funny that USA Today thinks these Joker posts are stupid…

  10. Tim Kathlina
    12:53 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Wish you all the best Archie. You will work your behind off to make happen, this is for sure. I think you would have a higher standing with NBA GMs if you came back and performed better in college. I also believe that after tonight, many players will put their names in for the draft that had a good NCAA run, which will push you back into the 2nd round. I don’t think the information your getting is accurate because all the players who are going to declare is not known at this time. Best of luck.

  11. sawitcomin
    12:53 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Does this really come as a shock from a guy who almost refused to pass all year long.

  12. Yeeeeah no
    12:57 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Archie chose to wear the KENTUCKY jersey so I respect the kid and I’m cheering for him. Unfortunately he had it right when he said that any of them thinking of going pro were delusional and he’s about to live his own words the hard way. In all honesty I never see him making it past the D.

  13. CaliUKfan
    12:57 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Although he’s both not ready and possesses tremendous upside, if we’re a players first program then we have to support the man.

    Good luck Archie!

  14. I pretty much agree with
    1:00 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Number 3 is closest to my thoughts…..
    This kid isn’t very good.. Sort of a selfish style of play…
    That being said, good luck in the pros

  15. Archie
    1:11 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    It’s a business decision. That’s what I said when I justified why I chose UK to the folks in Arkansas. I never was True Blue.

  16. Steve
    1:11 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Remember the Blue-White game when Archie got a pass from a steal and Julius was 20 ft in front by the goal and Archie ignored him to go get a dunk! Cal stops the game and pulls Archie aside on the court at Rupp and reads him the riot act. I got a sick feeling in my stomach then and it seemed to never go away the entire season.

  17. Steady
    1:13 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Archie who?

  18. Rick Roy
    1:15 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I don’t understand the “upside” and “potential” talk on him. I like Archie and can’t fault him for getting money but…1) He can’t shoot. You need to be able to shoot as a 2 guard in the NBA. He is too small for a 3 and can’t be a PG. He is not going to become an above avergae shooter all of a sudden. His shot is ugly. 2) He is out of control taking it to the lane in college. Just wait until he has super athletic defenders guarding him on the ball and taller, athletic players protecting the basket. Does “potential” all of a sudden make you make better mental decisions? Or somehome he is not aware of this and the NBA will make him “aware” of this? 3)Not a great defender. Thought this was going to be a strong suit for him…it wasn’t. but you know, alot of players weren’t good defenders in college and then became great defenders in the pros (not serious).

    He is athletic…but who isn’t in the NBA? He will never start for an NBA team. And I don’t see him being in the league very long. But he could always fall back on Archie Goodwin’s Refridgaration Supplies Inc…BUrrrrrrrr

  19. kybigblue
    1:17 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    He choose to play at UK so he is a Wildcat for life. I wish him only the best. If he isn’t ready he will have time to work on his game in the development league like many now playing in the NBA. Cal says he is a hard worker.

  20. Corey
    1:18 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I’m happy he chose to play at UK. He’s an incredibly hard worker and he’s very determined. I’m not worried about his chances. God bless and good luck, Archie. Thanks for playing for the BIG BLUE!

  21. Liked the kid
    1:18 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I believe the chances of Archie being drafted in the 1st round are about zero. I wouldn’t be shocked if he falls out of the draft altogether. D-league contract pays around $12,000-$24,000 plus $30 per day expenses for road games. Hard to find a percentage of 2nd rounders who never play in NBA, but it looks like around 30% of 2nd rounders never touch an NBA floor, and biggest chunk have a very brief NBA career. Actually, 2nd round success stories happen every year, but it’s a small number of players. Room, board, scholarship, and one more year towards a college degree would be worth far more than D-League wages. Full time fast food pays as much. Sad that somebody gave this kid bad advise. Maybe academics are in the background? Somebody should have dropped this kid Scottie Hopson’s cell number. He could have gotten some tips.

  22. Eric Wright or Eazy E it's all the same
    1:19 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Sigh. I respect the way Archie always left it on the court, but 26.6% from 3, 63.7% from the charity stripe, 0.87 assist to turnover ratio (3.1 turnovers per game playing mostly off the ball is ridiculous) aint something I’d be touting in making my jump to the NBA. Archie has got to learn how to play unselfish basketball or he’s never going to make it, and hopefully that’ll come as he matures. He never deferred to wide open teammates in transition, never kicked it out to an open shooter on the wing/corner after penetrating the defense in the halfcourt and would try taking on 3-4 guys before throwing up some circus shot at the basket. Even if he did draw contact, the men in stripes rarely ever blew a whistle in his favor because, well, that’s just Archie being Archie. To hear him say he felt like he did what he needed to do here just shows you how clueless and immature he is. Despite having such a high ceiling, I thought Archie needed to come back more than anyone in that class, and I’m afraid making this jump will stunt his growth as a player. I see so much Victor Oladipo in this kid, and Oladipo had similar struggles (turnovers, playing out of control, poor perimeter shooting) during his first couple years at IU. Now look at where he’s at on the draft boards after going through the maturation process at the college level.

  23. catlogic15
    1:19 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    #15 You beat me to it.

    Smooth sailing, Archie!

  24. klassact32
    1:20 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I don’t know what you folks expect from 18-19 year old kids. They can say they want to play in the NBA but what they mean is I want to earn millions of dollars. Very few freshmen are prepared for the NBA. Most of these guys will go Pro and earn a million or two only to find themselves in the D League or playing for Spain. Don’t be a hater for anyone wanting to earn a million.

    Everyone seems to say wait until next year? Sorry I don’t share your excitement, I really don’t care who is coming. This team should have taught you that. What no one seems to be talking about is the over inflated egos coming in next year and how Coach Cal is going to work with that. Suppose all are head cases with over inflated ego’s, what many on this team have, what then…..

  25. jmfatz47
    1:20 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    How can someone believe this is a failure of the “calipari system?” Do you really believe Archie would have come back had he gone to any other school? As stated, this is a weak draft and he certainly possesses the work ethic and desire to get better. His shot will improve and he has an excellent ability to get to the basket and draw fouls. With that being said, I also believe his free throw shooting will improve. No matter how u slice it, he would have been a late first rounder this year or next. The only thing I wish he would have considered was to stay TWO more yrs and leave after his junior season. And if u didn’t notice, two of our freshmen who were also considered draft picks decided to return for next years title run. I’m sure cal told Archie he wasn’t NBA ready but this was his decision– and its the same decision he would have made had he attended Arkansas or anywhere else in the country. Good luck to him. And let’s get ready for one of the most talented and deepest college teams we will ever witness!

  26. Korean Tacos
    1:20 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    “guys that I really value their opinion” equals guys who value the money I’ll be makeing

  27. RICK
    1:21 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Good luck Archie and please dont pay attention to any of these cry babies on here. I HATE THE CARDS.

  28. ThankfulCat
    1:21 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Big rumors swirling that Wiggins is all UK. Kansas sites saying 3 coaches told no by Wiggins, KU,UNC and FSU.

  29. Dickie
    1:23 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Never felt like he was a team player, his selfishness was a piece of hijack.

  30. Eazy E or Eric Wright it's all the same
    1:26 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Patric Young returning for his senior season at Florida. Surprised the ish outta me.

  31. Bill
    1:28 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Kid just doesn’t get it, but he will have to at the next level. I hope he does so before it’s too late. With this mindset, would he even have been an asset to next year’s team? Oh well, really a blessing in disguise if you ask me. Good luck, Archie.

  32. The Dude
    1:29 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    If he really thinks being part of one of the worst seasons I can remember and topping it off by losing in the first round of the NIT to Robert Morris is “what he needed to do here” then the made the right choice, we don’t need someone with that kind of attitude on the team.

  33. 44 Stitches
    1:35 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    As long as Archie finishes out the semester and makes the grades I’ll still be a fan of his. It would of been great to have him back next year but it’s not like we aren’t going to be loaded. Get that money Archie and live your dream.

    Go Michigan!!!!

  34. Shannon
    1:35 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I hope Archie’s decision going pro doesn’t correlate with his decisions handling the basketball this season. Considering the fact he is probably a second round pick, I can’t help but believe more time at the collegiate level would have been in his best interest.

  35. RahRah
    1:38 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Best of luck, kid. Burrrrr…

  36. Iwantwiggins
    1:40 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    #28, what sites?

  37. RC
    1:41 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I’m on record numerous times that Archie leaving is a horrible basketball decision. I’ve openly quesitoned if he’s even draftable.

    But, this notion that he’s a “hard worker” and can work his way into the NBA is a farce.

    If Archie Goodwin was such a hard worker, then why didn’t his FT shooting improve? Why didn’t he slow his game down a little and give up the ball more willingly? Why didn’t he spend countless hours in the gym shooting 3’s?

    Just a bad decision both short term and long term, IMHO.

  38. lonnieb
    1:45 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    For everyone on here saying otherwise……..he WILL be a first round pick

  39. Tim from Chicago
    1:51 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Archie will be a very good NBA player, he will improve as a shooter, lots of guys have gone to NBA not being able to shoot and end up getting one with work and do well. Archie plays hard and works hard according to Coach Cal. Also apparently he’s supposed to grow 3 more inches. He’s also a young college freshman, does not turn 19 until August. He will be picked mid or late first round by a contending team who can afford to be patient and let his skills grow. He will be sent to the D-League by that team for seasoning. By year 2 he should be ready to contribute on an NBA team. Archie will be fine folks and I am happy he’s BBN for life.

    1:52 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    The plan is all coming together….GO CATS!!!!

  41. I'm Just Sayin
    1:52 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I read his comments and am simply flabbergasted. He did what he needed to do?? What?? I’m sorry but this is kind of sad. What exactly did he do? Somebody help me with this. I can’t really see that he improved one part of his game from October 15th until the end. Terrible shooter and decision maker. Awesome athlete. I feel like Red from Shawshank Redemption needs to “talk to him, tell him how things really are”. I really do hope he makes it because if he doesn’t it will be an awful waste but this is not a sound decision and the money he gets off this first contract will go fast once the people whose opinion he values gets their hands in the jar. Sorry if this isn’t the “company line”.

  42. Bryan in Houston
    1:55 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Best of luck to that young man. I hope he has a successful career in basketball.

  43. Bret
    1:55 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    His comments tell me he planned to leave no matter how the season went. Archie says, “but I think I did enough to where I felt comfortable enough to leave”, don’t see a “we” anywhere in there. Which explains a lot of the problems that never improved. He may be one of the players tagged as uncoachable and he truly believes everything he said above.

    Wish him the best in pursuing his dreams, I just hope it doesn’t come with a bitter dose of reality in the professional ranks.

  44. Archie's Tude
    1:57 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    “I felt like I did what I needed to do here.” That quote just reaffirms what I thought all along about Archie’s attitude towards college basketball. Good luck at the next level.

  45. he should say what
    1:57 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    41/I’m Just Sayin Says- What do you want him to say? Really? C’mon people. The media asks questions and the answer isn’t always pretty or correct. Archie has learned the ropes in dealing with the media by polishing a simple statement that will only be dissected be comment and message board types.

  46. RC
    2:00 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    #38- I don’t agree with you. But let’s say he’s drafted somewhere between #22-30 in the 1st. That would guarantee Archie between $2.3 and $1.8 million over 2-years.

    Take #30 from the 2010 draft, Lazar Hayward. 6’6 SG/SF. #2 all time leading scorer at Marquette. Was waived earlier this year by Minn and is now in the D-league.

    Or #25 from that draft, Dominique Jones. 6’4 SG from South Florida. Was 1st team Big East as a Jr. Drafted by Memphis and bounced to Dallas, who didn’t pick up his 3rd year option and he’s now in the D-league.

    The problem with getting drafted at the end of the 1st round is that you’re likely going to a very good team without a lot of playing time for unproven rookies. If you don’t make a name for yourself in the first season or two you’re in trouble. This could likely happen to Marquis Teague and Doron Lamb from last year’s team.

    And let me assure you that Teague and Lamb were 100% more NBA-ready than Archie Goodwin.

  47. I'm Just Sayin
    2:03 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    45 Each and every player that had gone to the NBA under Calipari had noticeably improved their games before going. They did what they needed to do in my opinion. Archie simply did not and the fact that Cal wanted him to stay and that he has “people whose opinion he trusts” telling him to go tells you all you need to know. He is surrounded by enablers and anybody who says it’s ok and fine are enabling too. Hope I am wrong but these comments from him speak VOLUMES about what being at Kentucky ever meant to him.

  48. praying ul loses tonite
    2:04 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Archie came here to go to the nba asap. He never gave a crap bout uk. With that ill just say good luck cause hes going to need it. And good riddance because hes selfish and we dont need him. Hate to say it but the Arkansas fans were right. Hes all about himself. Guy posted a vid of his dunk against vandy in the sec tourney!! Only a couple hours after that loss that sealed our nit fate.

  49. he should say what
    2:07 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    41/I’m Just Sayin Says- Was he supposed to say: “Gosh, I was a real disappointment.” “Geez, the team really sucked.” “I didn’t grow or learn anything.” “I don’t want to sit the bench next year.” “I don’t want to wait til the 2015 draft”. My point –> THERE IS NO CORRECT ANSWER and you guys are knuckleheads for trying to analyze one sentence.

    What does nearly every college and pro coach say the day before he finalizes a new job: “I love it here. Not going anywhere.” Then they leave.

    What does every player who leaves the team “he loves” for a team that pays him more: “It really wasn’t the money. I thought it was a better fit.” No, it absolutely was the money.

    It is nearly impossible for a player or coach to say anything correctly nowadays, because someone will find a way to destroy it. No NBA team can pick apart his comments for being negative or for killing his own comments with a vanilla statement like that. If a team drafts him 20 and introduces him to media, that new media-base will search for everything he said so they can pick it apart. (I bet he would give anything to take back the “delusional” comment. He has learned his lesson.)

  50. I'm Just Sayin
    2:09 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    49 The point is his comments were delusional based on being surrounded by enablers. Period.

  51. he should say what
    2:13 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I’m Just Sayin Says: If he gets drafted in first round, he’ll have 1.8 million guaranteed (at the very least!) coming to him. That doesn’t include small appearance fees and a small shoe deal. That 1.8 million is the equivalent of making $50K/year for 35 years at a “normal job”. Right now he is still getting drafted on upside and potential, and not actual results (fairly common for NBA Drafting). If he stayed at UK and didn’t begin to show that upside or potential in the next 2 yrs at Kentucky…if he doesn’t improve around the rim or ever really “get it”, he won’t be drafted in ’14, ’15, or ’16. I, personally, DO NOT see him getting a ton better, or not enough to make staying worth his while. I just hope the kid is smart with his money and makes it last a long time.

  52. Brian
    2:14 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    He was miserable to watch, selfish, played like an idiot, never improved or changed and was a mediocre at best player. Couldn’t take watching him another year.

    Just because he played at UK doesn’t give him a pass on everything else.

    For future reference, yes Archie we want fries with that.

  53. Catsfan1965
    2:15 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Patric Youmg projects as a 2nd Rd pick on the mock drafts I’ve seen, so it’s not surprising that he came back. And Young is also one of numerous recent examples of players who hurt their draft stock by staying in school. James Michael MacAdoo played horribly most of his freshman season until the end of the year, but he still projected to be a lottery pick last year. He decided to stay another season because he wasn’t ready (and was lied to by Ol’ Roy) and he has fallen out of the lottery in all of the mock drafts I’ve seen in what is a weaker draft. Think about all the money that McAdoo, Young, and Singler, among others, cost themselves by staying in college.

    In Goodwin’s case, I can see valid pro and con arguments for staying, but I find it difficult to believe that his draft stock would improve so much next year coming off the bench that he would be able to maintain his current draft position much less improve it in a much deeper draft. The funny thing about all of the Goodwin haters is that if he is really a fraud, then leaving now is the BEST decision he could have made. Might as well cash the biggest NBA check he can and then play overseas instead of hurting his chances of getting drafted at all by staying a few years.

  54. he should say what
    2:18 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I hear yah. My point is that just because he said it doesn’t mean he believes it. I just don’t know what you want him to say. Right now he is trying to sell himself in draft stock. He can’t be negative because a new team needs to be able to sell that to its fans. If he is hyper-critical of his game, how does the Bucks/Sixers/Thunder/Heat PR person spin that to fans? They can’t. He is playing the PR game and probably doesn’t even believe what he is saying.

    10 minutes ago I told me boss that deal XYZ is probably closing this week. Just because I said it, do I believe it? Nope. It’ll close next week…I know this. But if I told the boss that, he is gonna flip upside down and I don’t want that to hear that noise all week. Archie said XYZ, you have to be in his brain to determine whether he believes it or not.

  55. I'm Just Sayin
    2:19 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    51 Yes he will be smart with his money because his other decision making has been so sound……I’m not mad that he is leaving UK. For next year’s team to reach the heights they can he this is probably addition by subtraction. I just think it is sad when these kids don’t have people around them telling them what they NEED to hear. Archie, go back to school, work hard in the classroom and in the gym, develop a jump shot, improve ball handling and decision making. If it takes four years so be it, this is the rest of your life we are talking about. And if he slips to the 2nd round this will be a disaster for him. I just think it’s sad.

  56. Still Waiting in the Green Room
    2:19 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink


  57. Archie
    2:25 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Archie – Yeah, I really just didn’t want to be playing basketball in THE USA in 3 years so that’s why I’ll be putting my name in for the draft.

  58. AnthonyBBN
    2:32 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    What I am trying to understand from many of the comments here on how Archie never improved. Look, I was the biggest Archie Goodwin complainer for most of the season, but when coach Cal asked us to calm down and give him 2 OMG moments per game honestly Archie did improve from that point, only once or twice did he make that 3rd OMG moment, his shot got better, he was passing the ball more, and most of all when he drove the basket he was keeping his head up more often and aware of his surroundings. Plus down the stretch there no one wanted to win more than Archie, in that terrible Robert Morris game he was 1 of 3 people on the team (the others being Jared Polson and Jon Hood) who actually played like they wanted to win that game. So stop downing on this kid, it was the best decision for him, with very limited playing time next year and such a weak draft this year he would have hurt his chances of playing pro, because no matter what most of you want to think, that is all most college basketball players at elite basketball school are in college for.

  59. he should say what
    2:34 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    53/CatsFan is spot on: As sad as it is to have guys drafted simply on potential (because it hurts both the college and pro game), nothing is changing anytime soon. CatsFan has a few good examples. I can tell you that Scoop Jardine was projected late first round after his third year at Syracuse. He averaged 13 & 6, was still 22 years old, and one of the best guards in the Big East. If he gets drafted, he cashes guaranteed money just under 2 million. If he played his cards right, he still has $750K in the bank (today) after taxes. He thinks he is doing Syracuse and Boeheim and the fans a solid by coming back. He proceeds to get 7 minutes a game, all his stats pay the price. Now, he isn’t even the best guard on his own team. Goes undrafted. Hasn’t played a minute of professional basketball. I see Archie as the same. Go when you can…get the money when you can. Like Cal says, he doesn’t really owe us or the school anything.

  60. he should say what
    2:38 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    “because no matter what most of you want to think, that is all most college basketball players at elite basketball school are in college for.”

    Truer. Words. Were. Never. Spoken. (Some people get it around here, and “AnthonyBBN” is definitely one of them. You are wise beyond your years.)

  61. Dogwaller
    2:52 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    His selection spot will tell you the overall depth of this draft. I wish him the best and think he is an amazing athlete but his basketball IQ could qualify him for public assistance.

  62. cat89
    2:53 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Best of luck to you Archie. As others have pointed out, finish your school work if you want to continue to be CAT for life. Also I hope those people whose opinion you admire are telling you to live well below your means the entire period of your first contract. I mean well below, like living and existing on 20% of what you take home and save and or invest the rest. This way should things not work out and your fail to sign a second NBA contract you will have the money to return to school and finish your education. Do yourself and your family a huge favor and separate yourself from anyone who tells you differently. Let them find another chump to take advantage of.

  63. Cal
    2:53 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Like I already said, he was uncoachable.

  64. Chicago Chris
    3:07 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    He worked hard and I wish him the best but it will be a struggle. If he continues to work hard, even through potential D-League and maybe even European stints, he will be successful enough to make a lot of money somewhere.

  65. Chicago Chris
    3:09 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    #59 Interesting example, thanks.

  66. Bill Brasky
    3:15 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    “I felt like I did what I needed to do here.”

    LOL! Awesome. That makes one of us.

  67. Melvit
    3:15 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I guess people are telling him that the pros are looking for a player who drives into the lane and draws the charge, while missing the basket.

  68. Melvit
    3:16 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    #67 Bill, I don’t know how he says that with a serious face.

  69. Paul
    3:23 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I have a slightly different take on the business (read: money) side of this. You can’t quite compare $1.8M salary to 35 years of $50k… for three major reasons… one, $50k/yr earners don’t owe 10-15% off the top to an agency; two, $50k earners pay like 10% (or less!) in income tax whereas $1M earners pay 35%; three, $50k earners don’t try to live $1M earner lifestyles with someone trying to fleece you every 10 minutes. If Archie would commit to a $600/mo mortgage, no jewlry, no entourage, dinner every other Friday at Applebee’s, etc, then it’s more equivalent. The problem is that if Archie wants to be a real millionare, he needs to earn a second contract. No two ways about it. For me, the best way to that second contract, even if you’re less of a star, is to stay another two years so that you can actually make a small impact in your two year window in the league. Strictly business, I would risk falling 5 spots if I was more certain to ‘stick’.

    That’s my business rationale for staying. That said, do what feels right. I wish the kid luck. Like another poster, if he finishes in good academic standing, then he has my {probably unwanted} support in whatever he does.

  70. good luck archie
    3:25 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    67Bill Brasky – Because it would have been much better to say: “I feel like I didn’t do what I needed to here, but I’m leaving.” People in publie eye will say what will draw the least amount of criticism, whether they believe it or not. NBA fans everywhere won’t care too much about their team’s 21st to 40th pick. That is, unless he says he sucked his only year in college, which in that case, they will kill him for it.

    Chicago Chris Says – Thanks. I realize now that I meant to say 7 LESS minutes per game (and not that he played 7 mins/game). Either way, getting 20% fewer mins your senior year is not a good way to improve your draft stock. And your right, the money isn’t shabby overseas. Gerry McNamara walked away from two different $1 million dollar deals (in 2 countries, I believe). That much dough for a guy who never sniffed the NBA…beyond a couple 2-week tryouts. If I could go overseas and make 500K/year to play a game, I’d push my own mother over while running to board the plane. (Not to mention dealing with about 110% fewer fans that obsess about every play/quote.)

  71. Taxes
    4:05 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Show me a 50k a year earner paying 10 percent or less a year

  72. Big Blue Coming At You
    4:18 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Goodwin’s a liar. When he committed he was all about winning a championship here not flaming out in the first round of the NIT. He had nothing but selfish intentions from the start. His play showed it and now his quote shows it. He wouldn’t have a better chance than next year to win a championship if he was serious about it. He could be a very good player if he stayed in college but he’ll be another lost soul with NBA dreams playing overseas. Poythress, Wiltjer and WCS were smart enough to know they weren’t ready so they decided to come back, get better and win a championship. Goodwin should have done the same.

  73. wait, what
    4:27 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    “Show me a 50k a year earner paying 10 percent or less a year”

    THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING! Where do I sign up for this?

    I think it is more accurate, depending on the state/city/county, for a $800K earner to lose 50% to tax, and a 50K/year person to lose 30% to tax. So lets say he stays in school and his draft stock can no longer be helped by “upside” and “potential”…since staying IN school is more likely to be held against him nowadays. If he doesn’t pan out in four years at UK, and we’ll assume he doesn’t want to play overseas…he can maybe begin making $50K/year and actually BANK $35K. At a take-home of $35K/year, beginning in Summer of 2016….he’ll hit $750,000 in checks actually cashed in 21.5 years (or the winter of 2037).

    Or he can be the last pick in the First Round and make $800K/year, pre-tax. Take out half (for taxes), and he actually BANKS that $750,000 by the summer of 2015. Agents haven’t taken 10-15% in 20 years. Its more like 3 to 5 percent now on the salary. Any additional appearances or promotions is 10-15 percent (although that is also easy money.) So he stays and he can have $750K in checks cashed by slaving away at a desk job until 2037, or he can ride a bus in the D-league for two years and have that money BANKED by Summer of 2015.

    Easy decision.

  74. wait, what
    4:28 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Your right, he should come back to win a championship all for you “Big Blue Coming At You”. He owes it to you. All these players owe it to you. They would be nothing without you. You people are leeches.

  75. sunnycat
    4:56 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Who ever it is he values their opinion is most likely a hanger on. Cal’s advice was to return to school and I wouls say that Cal knows more about his draft potential than Archie’s “advisers”. But he hasn’t listened all year so why should he listen when it concerns the biggest decision of his life?

  76. Melvit
    5:02 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    #75 I hate to feed trolls, but you don’t think he used Kentucky? The fans are a part of what makes this one the best places to play.

  77. Archie Himself
    5:17 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    It was never about the team. It was always about himself. After they got creamed by Vandy he posts a video of his dunk on twitter boasting about it. All I hear from that quote is “me, me, me, me.” Still blows my mind NBA GM’s are want him.

  78. BigBlueJohnny
    5:23 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    1. WEAK draft class – it’s the best time to go. Next year’s draft is going to be rediculous!
    2. Likely he’s coming off the bench next year. It’s hard for a player of his caliber to take a step back.
    3. I always thought he is better suited for the pro game than college. Kinda like Rondo.
    4. Gives UK another scholarship to use!

    Good for him, thanks for the effort, hope he finishes academically and let’s move on!

  79. Archie's EyeWink
    5:32 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    can you blame me for coming to UK because i wanted NBA exposure?!

  80. Tim from Chicago
    6:01 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I agree with #78 all of them, I have been saying that Goodwin’s game is more suited for the NBA than college.

  81. wait, what
    6:09 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    77/Melvit Says: You may not believe it, but last thing I would do is troll. I’m a UK grad and die-hard fan, but also a big NBA fan, with season tickets to multiple teams (some of that is investment, but you get my drift), I’m just saying I follow that league very closely as well. Mostly, I’m disgusted by people who can sit behind a keyboard, namelessly, and scream that they know what is best for Archie and his family (“he should come back to win a ‘ship”, “he should come back to help him with his draft stock”, “he should come back cause he’s not ready”). Its ridiculous.

  82. wait, what
    6:09 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    77/Melvit Says: (part2) Also disgusted by the blatant name-calling. Our players have a hard enough time on twitter and facebook from people who are UofL and IU fans, let alone our own passionate fanbase that takes it too far, hammering these guys with tweets and messages non-stop (Don’t go, come back, your not ready, i thought you wanted to win a ‘ship for us, you’ll be in the D-League, what are you doing, etc etc). Nerlens can have the game of his life, send out a tweet that he was at an old folks home, and people drill him with “why aren’t you in the gym”, “you should be working on your off-hand”, “why didn’t you go up strong on that one play”. I know a lot of fan bases are passionate (i myself haven’t missed a nationally televised game since the advent of the VCR, so I’m just as whacko as anyone) but geez, get a life. We are talking about taunting 19 year old kids that chose to wear our colors instead of the 300 other D1 schools that wanted them. I just think we owe them a little respect.

  83. wait, what
    6:11 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    77/Melvit Says: (part 3) Did the kid “use” UK? I don’t even know what that means. That said, I think what you are getting at (passionate fanbase, packed house, great facilities)…all those things are what Calipari is selling. Did they “use” Kentucky…yes…but they were supposed to. If you are a recruit, that is the whole recruiting process. “Players First”. That means the “Players come before fans”. By utilizing this pitch, we’ve gotten a Top2 class 5 years in a row. Add a couple names next to Karl Towns, and it’ll be 6 in a row. But we can’t expect every single recruit to work out perfectly. But we should behave like somewhat-normal human beings when it doesn’t go perfectly (IE- poythress not going as hard as we want, harrow wearing a constant frown, archie bowling over the help defender).

  84. wait, what
    6:11 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    77/Melvit Says: (part 4) Any Top 100 player in his class is likely to have a crazy ego. If they are Top100 in their class, good chance they have been getting peppered with calls and mail nearly everyday from 100+ schools for the last 3 years of their life. They have people around them telling them they are gonna end up in the NBA. The top echelon kids that we and the other top programs get aren’t thinking about how they are going to use their 4-year Bachelor of Arts degree to make a steady income someday…and it doesn’t matter whether they are dirt floor poor or from an affluent family. Of course they would rather be playing in the NBA than in middle-management somewhere. They are ALL using the school they go to. Thats why more than 450 kids transferred last summer. More than ten percent of D1 players transferred…they are all trying to ‘use’ somebody to get to NBA or get more playing time.

  85. wait, what
    6:12 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    77/Melvit Says: (part 5) By any other school’s standard, Archie’s development this year, from the beginning of the season to the end, would have been applauded, and he’d be a starter next year. I’m just saying that the standard which Cal has set is transcendent right now, from anything that any program has ever seen. But to expect every Teague/Goodwin/Poythress to be as good as Wall/Davis/MKG, thats completely unrealistic. If Cal continues to recruit at the level he has (which he will), I believe we as a fanbase have to understand that guys are probably going to leave earlier than they should. This Teague & Goodwin thing isn’t going to be the exception as much as we want it to. (IE- the same reason those top echelon players decided to come here, because Cal is NOT going to hold them back like all other college coaches do, is the same reason they may leave much earlier than we want them to.) I just think we should support them in their decision, wish them luck, try not to act like a crazy psycho ex-girlfriend, and welcome the new players.)

  86. wandafuul
    6:18 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Actually I think Archie will be one of those players that thrives In the NBA. I hope so…made me sad tho when he said “I was never true blue”.

  87. craig rowekamp
    6:33 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I just can’t see it he never lived up to what we expected here and then he wants to go pro I don’t think so but good luck hope you the best.Now we can get some one who can be coached not a hard head!!!!!!

  88. Coogie Jefferson
    6:50 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Archie, I am a fan of yours. I think you got into a tough situation here at KY. Made you have to assume a role that you should not have had to do. Not to hate on your boy, but the PG struggles put a lot of the team out of sync and never able to gain and maintain momentum. Do you man, God bless you. And keep your head through the whole process. YOU HAVE FANS HERE!

  89. DLancer
    7:08 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Its certainly not up to me to determine whether a player stays or goes–Archie seems to think this is the best thing for him, so, so be it. I wish hime the best of luck at the next level. Thanks Archie, for choosing the Big Blue Nation. I would like to have seen how you clicked with the incoming players next year, but it isn’t to be. Remember the Big Blue with pride.

  90. CPA
    7:22 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    @TAXES (#72) I did my sister-in-law’s taxes last night. She makes $59K/year and paid an effective tax rate of 9%. Another sister-in-law makes only $32K/year and her effective tax rate was -14%.

  91. Lee Lawrence
    7:38 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Best of luck Archie. I think the handwriting was on the wall–I mean bench–for you. Your playing time would be limited and Polson is a more devoted team player. That said, I hope you realize your dream.

  92. Rusty
    7:57 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    I wish him the best and think this is the best choice for BOTH parties.

  93. andrew
    7:59 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    HAHAHAHAHA Archie trying to get WCS and Poythress to go pro – hilarious. Sorry Archie, these guys know what they’re doing.

  94. JohnWall
    8:32 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    What did he do here besides force shots and lose to Robert Morris…He aint ready..But I do wish him the best of luck and I will root for him in the CBA or overseas or wherever he may be playing at..

  95. Dave / New Mexico
    9:21 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    All the best to you, Archie.
    Enjoy Europe…anything beats Arkansas.

  96. Katdaddy
    9:24 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Glad you gone!

  97. JJ House
    10:05 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    This is why everybody in the country hates on the BBN kid comes from a destitute family and dreams of making it chooses UK so he gets the exposure that was obviously to big of a stage for him. He doesn’t owe us a damn thing that’s why they are one year scholarships. He is doing what is right for him not what any number of you saps want. Truth is you all just want to bitch and blame these kids, Uncoachable , Hi Jacked , No please Archie please come back be our 8th or 9th man and end up in college for four years and defiantly playing over seas for no money. As a member of the recruiting world I can tell you the galant is not gonna drop off at all in the next 3 years. What choice did he have. Somebody give me a real response and a real sensible answer and I will post the truth about what is being said about Wiggins today because YES there has been contact with schools out of Huntington. I will even name ,names and no one will have to pay a monthly charge to get it. Only REAL BBN NEED APPLY!!!!!

  98. 2Blue4u
    10:09 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    Real reason.? He didn’t want to have to fight for play time. Would have been a six man.

  99. KyCat
    10:48 pm April 8, 2013 Permalink

    “I felt like I did what I needed to do here” Yep, that says it all for me, AG — it was all about you.

    I do wish you well in your future endeavors; you are adult enough to make your own decisions, so I do not question that this is best for you.

  100. Ron Pike
    6:55 am April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Best news I’ve heard this year! Goodbye, Archie and good riddance. As I watched in amazement at this kid’s selfishness game after game it became apparent that he was NOT a team player and never would be. His decision making was terrible time after time after time. I can’t blame him for going as I am sure Coach Cal told him that he would not be a starter next year. This kid is not anywhere near ready for the NBA and will spend his “career” in the D league. If he goes in the first round this class is weak, indeed. Think about it: he can’t shoot, he can’t make free throws, so he can’t play the 2 guard at that level. He can’t play point guard because he doesn’t have the skills or the mentality for the position, and he takes bad decision making to a new level. Other responders are correct. It’s clearly all about Archie. Leaving is the best thing he has done for UK basketball. He was dead on with his comment about being “delusional” for any of this current team to think of going pro. Guess he can add that attribute to his resume!

  101. larrylegend
    9:42 am April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Archie Goodwin is has been the most frustrating player all year. Im glad hes gone. Good luck selling drugs and gang banging after being cut after 2 years in the D-league.

  102. I'm Just Sayin
    11:04 am April 9, 2013 Permalink

    98 Wait. You think we want Archie to stay for our (BBN) own selfish reasons? That is just dumb. 6’4″ shooting guards don’t have a long history of doing well in the NBA. He isn’t good enough. It’s sad his people are telling him he is. This is a disaster waiting to happen. And for those comparing him to Rondo. Please. Rondo is a point guard who is a complete FREAK athlete with FREAK hands. There are plenty of guys like Goodwin and they can shoot too. He is leaving a pretty safe cocoon and it is a mistake and I hate to see it. Period.

  103. I'm Just Sayin
    11:05 am April 9, 2013 Permalink

    I meant 6’4′ shooting guards that can’t shoot.

  104. Kyle Macy for UK Free Throw Coach
    1:07 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Good luck to Archie, but this decision to leave will be the worst of his life! He needs one or two more years to work on his game and he doesn’t have to be the star to get the needed experience. Sadly, these kids (& family too) only see $$$.

  105. Doc Rider
    1:45 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    Best of Luck, Mr. Goodwin. Once a CAT always a CAT. I know that you did the right thing for you and your family and can only hope that you have as much success in the NBA as you had at UK.

  106. I'm Just Sayin
    4:50 pm April 9, 2013 Permalink

    106 So you mean you hope he has little to no success in the NBA? Because that’s what he had at UK.

  107. Jason
    1:03 pm April 10, 2013 Permalink

    You all seem to overlook the fact that not everyone is college material. And not every college degree is worth the paper it’s written on. Most kids never find jobs in their areas of study. For far too many college doesn’t pay and is nothing more than a 4 and done system itself.