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Archie is Staying Away from the 3-Point Line

I don’t mind it if he’s making plays like this.

I don’t mind it if he’s making plays like this.

 

When UK wins by 10 at home and they make six 3-pointers, there shouldn’t be much room for criticism correct? OK I’m not going to criticize Archie, but it has to be said, Why has Archie Goodwin only hit one 3-pointer in SEC play? Caught you off guard didn’t it? I had no idea that this was even a thing until I became curious the other day; most of my attention was focused on Archie’s passing rather than his shooting.

 

Archie came to UK heralded as a great scorer, but he obviously has had some early struggles playing in the limelight. However Archie is taking baby steps towards consistently scoring. He used to run at the rim and throw up some junk, hoping the ref would bail him out with a foul. When the whistle was actually blown, the result was often a missed foul shot. Archie now is beginning to hit his free throws (12-14 at Ole Miss) and is attacking the basket with some control, which in turn has helped him become a better passer.

 

What concerns me most with Archie’s 3 point stats, is that he doesn’t even take them anymore. Most games (including yesterdays), he tries a 3, then never goes back. You can look at this two ways: 1. At least he isn’t missing a ton of shots. 2. If he isn’t taking them, his confidence in his outside shot is obviously very low. Whether you like it or not, Archie Goodwin needs to put points on the board in order for Kentucky to succeed. If he doesn’t believe that his shots will go in now, then he will not believe in himself, or be able to hit the big shots in crunch time (see Russ Smith).

 

Uncle Julius and Kyle Wiltjer have been successful from trey-land thus far, mitigating Archie’s absence from downtown. Technically the Cats don’t NEED Archie to play big from long-range, but they cannot have a SHOOTING Guard that is afraid to shoot an open shot.

 

 

Article written by Nick Roush

"Look upon the doughnut, and not upon the hole." @RoushKSR

74 Comments for Archie is Staying Away from the 3-Point Line



  1. Arch
    1:05 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    I’m transferring after the year. Need my 15-20 shots per game. Bazz mentors me. Much love BBN



  2. bakertom09
    1:06 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Do some of you think before you write this stuff? Archie is not now nor has he ever been a great three point shooter. He was not recruited as one. As much as it would be nice for him to be better at it the last thing we need is him forcing threes *and* forcing drives to the basket. Archie needs to watch a continuous loop of the best of Doron Lamb’s runners in the lane.



  3. BobbGunn
    1:08 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    After watching his last few jump shots bang off the rim so hard I though they would register on the richter scale.



  4. d/c cat
    1:09 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Archie = Russ Smith



  5. snoopaloop
    1:17 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Shooting guard does not imply that you are an efficient 3-point shooter or an efficient shooter period. You can have a busted shot and be labeled a SG. The reality is Archie is a SCORING guard. This team just needs him to get buckets as efficiently as possible and not crash into every big guy, flail his arms, and throw the ball off the shot clock.



  6. Mass Confusion
    1:18 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Archies jumpshot and freethrows have very little arc…surprised the coaches didnt fix this at the beginning of the yr



  7. SUPREMECATS
    1:24 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    I don’t care what position he plays, he has no business shooting threes…at least not until he actually develops a 3 pt shot. We have people to shoot 3s (Kyle, Uncle J, Harrow, Polson, even Alex). I hate it when he shoots 3s because you know it’s not even gonna be close. He has plenty other things to work on to become the best version of Archie besides 3s. Sorry, but couldn’t disagree with this post more.



  8. Ikeeveready
    1:24 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Archie was a prolific scorer, not 3 point shooter out of high school. He did shoot a decent % though.

    What he does need is something of an outside/mid range game to compliment the occasional 3 and the drive game. Right now when he has the ball the D knows where he’s going and packs in. This why he has been made to pull j, try the runner or floater in practice or has been penalized with extra conditioning. Last night he didn’t play 5-15 feet out so he sat. Ole Miss he did and he had good game.

    Simple. But he is stubborn as most prolific scores are (see also Russ Smith).



  9. judgedreed
    1:26 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    When a 5 star high school player has been shooting one way all his life, kind of hard to fix it i



  10. BravoBigBlue
    1:26 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    If there has ever been a bigger bust at Kentucky, I’m not sure who it would be. Archie is a disaster. Good luck after this year, wherever you end up.



  11. Mass Confusion
    1:27 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    I like how you had to go back 3 games to find good ft shooting from Archie…He’s 8-16 on fts the last 2 games



  12. Fancoulo
    1:29 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Cant blame Archie, he is playing out ofmposition. His best position, and where he can most help the team, is when he is……on the bench.



  13. Real
    1:32 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    AG has dropped behind AP in the draft & dropping fast. Harrow is not in the top 150. AG has a lot of work to do & he’s not coachable. It showed as early as cal all access. Harrow STINKS. Get real



  14. The Don
    1:32 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    We dont lack 3 point shooters – mays and wiltjer are great, harrow and poythress are serviceable. What archie can do is penetrate, which we can always use. Id rather have him driving and dishing than wiltjer or mays driving to dish to him.



  15. Jus Sayin
    1:32 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Some of you are just proving you don’t know anything about basketball. Even if he only makes 25 percent of his 3s he has to be willing to shoot them. Nothing hurts a team more than somebody who WILL NOT shoot.



  16. snoopaloop
    1:34 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    “Man, we really need a 3 here. Get it to Archie!” – said no UK fan ever.



  17. Mack
    1:34 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    The reason for him missing all of those layups is because Coach won’t allow him to shot layups in practice.



  18. jake
    1:35 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    hahaha archie and russ smith need to chill and make a waffle house egg and grits video round 2.. and the last thing we need is archie throwing up jumpers thats why cal does that 5 min 3 point shooting drill



  19. snoopaloop
    1:36 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    16) I bet you buy Powerball tickets every single day. I mean, how can you make a lot of money if you don’t buy a lottery ticket every single day? It’s only wasting money if you don’t buy a ticket.



  20. ltylerj
    1:37 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Calm down people. He’s an 18 year old kid, there is no reason to trash talk the guy. Sure he is frustrating and makes you want to pull your hair out, but to call an 18 year old a bust just shows what you really know about basketball. He chose Kentucky, he is a Wildcat for life whether you like it or not.



  21. NEWMAN
    1:40 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Did you write this before the Auburn game? Archie shot 1-4 for his FTs.

    Just checking.



  22. Andrew Wiggins
    1:40 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    YOU CAN NOT HAVE A GUARD WHO WILL NOT SHOOT A JUMPER. Any idiot knows that. It hurts your spacing way too much. He shoot 25% right now. That’s enough to keep people honest.



  23. jake
    1:42 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    20. absolutely. every game is a new experience for these guys and think how dangerous we can be come tournament time. no worries we still love archie remember his dance at big blue madness?



  24. BravoBigBlue
    1:43 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Oh my gosh. Some of these “kids” come here to get their ticket punched to the NBA. Nothing more. Archie is definitely in that category. Bust is what he is, whether 20 likes it or not. He doesn’t have the game for this level of basketball, much less the NBA.



  25. Cal
    1:50 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Some UK fans are too much. He’s 18. He averages 10 shots a game on 43% shooting and leads the team in scoring. And because he hit a rough patch people demonize him? This why some people hate us. The kid goes to class, doesn’t get in any trouble off the court, but he has become the Arch Villain of the season. Some of you are pathetic. He’s freshman! Not everyone is MKG or Davis. If recruits don’t come here its because of the crazy comments people leave on this site.



  26. MemphisCat
    1:51 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Archie will have a rule named after him this year “Offensive Flop” the NBA has the defensive flop and when Archie goes too the NBA they will start fining him for flopping on drives to the basket. That will be another BBN effect. I’m hoping his riding the pine yesterday will wake him up, but I’m afraid he will try to come out Tuesday and make up for only scoring 3pts yesterday, hope it doesn’t cost us the game.



  27. jason
    1:52 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    in archie we trust!!!!!!!!!!!!!



  28. HOO
    1:55 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Hoosiers putting on a clinic today hillbillies. What’s Drew Franklin and his boy toy Matty Jones going to say after they win on the road against a top 10 team!? You all beat an RPI top 50 team yet? Enjoy being a little brother!



  29. blahblah
    1:55 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Hey lets talk trash about a 17 year old freshman because he doesn’t live up to our expectations on what a 5 star recruit should be. We have become so spoiled.



  30. roush sucks
    1:56 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    nick roush sucks. how can you be a writer on a blog that can’t write?



  31. Jpo
    1:58 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Incoming high school talent was extremely down this year across the board. Look at the freshman all over the country. Also give him more than 2/3 of a freshman season before labeling him a bust.



  32. Fancoulo
    1:58 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Fans are too tough on Archie, he is what he is, either Cal did not evaluate him right when recruiting him or Cal thought Archie would be able to improve. The best thing Cal can do for Archie is to not star him and give him valuable time on the bench so he can see and lern. Maybe he will play better coming off the bench and limited minutes.



  33. kuhlkat
    1:59 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Nick is clueless on this one. Does anyone else want Archie shooting 3’s? He’s shooting like 5% on threes. Anyone with basketball IQ could see we have better options than Archie.



  34. jus sayin
    2:03 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    33 hes actually shooting 25% from 3. Not good but it’s enough. Anyone with a basketball IQ knows we DONT have a better SG option than Archie. Poythress and Mays cant handle the ball well enough. Polson cant score enough. Hood cant defend enough. Get a clue.



  35. Skeller03
    2:12 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    It’s amazing how many self-proclaimed basketball experts/coaches we have in BBN. The kid has played 25 college ball games and the idiots above have already decided that he is uncoachable and unable to progress his game. Playing for a new team is like getting a new job: it takes 6 months if not longer to learn the system and then thrive. Lay off the kid and give him time.



  36. yooooooo
    2:17 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    does anyone know where to find the video of archie getting hit?



  37. BlueCat
    2:19 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Archie actually stays away from many things…like GOOD shot selection, GOOD decision making, GOOD team play, etc.



  38. Ridge Runner
    2:22 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    36, I’ve seen girls throw better punches as it was more the “act” that was hard to take more than anything else.



  39. bung
    2:23 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    what we need is someone who can come off the bench for these freshmen that has some size, hustle, 3 or 4 years in the system, is unselfish, makes good decisions, and shoots well…like a hood or something…



  40. Ridge Runner
    2:26 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Perhaps it’s just me (and I hear ya on Archie and the “3”)– but just think we have deeper problems than Archie not or is shooting a 3. Kids not buying in, hustling for entire game, not hanging the head after a miss, consistency, etc… –and thats not just Archie or one player.



  41. BravoBigBlue
    2:28 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    “Kentucky basketball is not for everyone,” said Coach Cal about a million times. It clearly is not for Archie Goodwin. Much in the same way it wasn’t for Rodrick Rhodes. Only difference is BBN will not have to suffer through 3 years of Archie. He’ll be playing in Turkey this time next year.



  42. Syrin
    2:29 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    I blame this on Cal who consistently benches guys for missing GOOD shots while leaving guys in who make or even miss bad shots. It doesn’t matter WHO you are, if you miss a three, you’ll be on the bench. This lays squarely at the feet of Cal.



  43. HOO
    2:31 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    This proves BBN as one of the worst fan bases in the country.

    Oladipo > anyone at UK



  44. HOO
    2:36 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    My d*ck is smaller than anyone’s in Kentucky



  45. HOO
    2:38 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    My Mother is a bigger wh*re than anyone in Kentucky



  46. Hoo
    2:40 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    I am from the state of Indiana; yet I call Kentuckians hillbillies? My state has no hills but plenty of White Trash, of which I am one of the more vocal.



  47. HOO
    2:42 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    You mad, little bro?



  48. Syrin
    2:43 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Yet you will achieve less with more talent come tournament time because Calipari >>>>>>>>> Sweet Sixteen Crean

    You’re not even the nest basketball program in your state. Just ask Butler. Further proof Crean is a PoS coach come big game time.

    Care to come see our national championship banner? I’m sure it’s not as impressive as your NIT banners from the past DECADE, fck tard



  49. HOO
    2:44 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Did anyone see my Hoosiers win at Illinois on Thursday night? Oh wait, we lost ON A LAST SECOND SHOT. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. I wonder if Illinois will build a shrine for the win? Or put it on popcorn boxes? Or if families will put up Christmas light display for the win? No probably not because only us inbred, classless, and dumber than owl sh*t Hoosiers would do that.



  50. Syrin
    2:44 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    HOO. little brother is the one who comes to BIG brother’s web site and begs for attention. I have never looked for an IU web site, because you are indeed irrelevant, little sister.



  51. thats funny
    2:52 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Jordan hulls looks inbred.



  52. BigBrother
    2:55 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    HOO, IU will ALWAYS be UK’s little brother…we own you in the head to head series as well as number of wins overall and certainly in National Titles…I mean really you losers have not won a title in 26 years!!! During that time UK went to multiple Final Fours and won 3 National Titles. You need to win something before you come here and talk trash.



  53. Hoo is a Moron
    2:55 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Hoo has been put in his place but he is too stupid to realize it. Too pathetic. What a Moron…



  54. bung
    2:59 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    let’s talk about the wildcats vaunted fast break…uhh…ok forget that…



  55. Syrin
    3:10 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Back on topic, this is Cal’s fault



  56. mudcreekmark
    3:19 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Like I said in a post yesterday, Goodwin cannot shoot the three, he cannot shoot the mid range jumper and he cannot shoot a floater. The only thing that he can shoot is layups.Layups are only easy when they are open layups not when they come against three defenders. The best way for him to be effective is to drive the ball, draw the defenders to help,like he has been doing, and then pass to an open team mate, which he hasn’t been doing. I really don’t think he is selfish I just think he has zero basketball I.Q. If he were selfish,he would be putting up more shots than he has been.(See Russ Smith)



  57. Rae
    3:34 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Nothing is worse than a poor three-point shooter jacking up shots that never go in just so he can be a hero. I trust Mays and Wiltjer outside the arc, not Goodwin.



  58. Katdaddy
    3:40 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    He’s not shooting it because he can’t hit! Archie is a terrible shooter.



  59. HOO
    3:41 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Tom Crean can’t coach? PayPal Cal and his team of 5 NBA players lost once to Tommy Crean and almost did again in the tournament. You hillbillies are dumber than you look. PayPal Cal couldn’t coach his way out of a 6th grade CYO league!



  60. Steve
    3:43 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    I have been lucky enough to get lower arena tickets for six games this year in Rupp. I go when the gates open and sit 5 rows from the court in order to watch warmups. If Archie concentrates on his shots I would be amazed. He misses about 60% of what he tries with no one guarding him.
    Regardless of free throws. mid-level jumpers, or 3 point shots he has trouble and the majority of his shots are short with no arch. How you shoot in practice is usually how you will shoot in games.



  61. Katdaddy
    3:47 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Archie better get a degree because if Daron Lamb is in the D League then Archie might not ever play a game in the NBA.



  62. Kevin
    3:54 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Nick, I think you are making a mountain out of a moe hill on this one. Cal seems to have gotten this kid to play more under control. That’s a benefit. Yes, traditional thought is that you need a two guard who can score and hit the three. But if you haven’t noticed, the game of basketball is becoming less and less traditional. We have enough shooters to have at least one three point shooting threat on the floor at any given time, and, most often, we have at least two (if you expand the term threat to include Harrow with Wiltjer and Mays). Goodwin is a slasher and a decent perimeter defender who, as the team becomes more defined in their collective strengths and individual roles, will prove to be invaluable. It’s best to appreciate the strengths of players instead of focusing on what they are not.



  63. CatSinceBirth
    4:02 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Archie best turn it up a notch, and get his butt drafted. Next year he will definitely see a lot of pine time…Did anyone notice how Cal went back to his ranting and raving on the sidelines yesterday? Oh yes, the guys seemed to play scared to death. The previous few games he had calmed down and the guys played pretty well. I firmly believe a lot of his antics on the sideline is for show.



  64. edlover
    4:34 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Archie will be fine if he learns to quit shooting line drives and put some arch on his shot. Hey, he’s just a kid and may take longer. There’s no guarantee some of the kids coming in next year are all going to be one and done.



  65. HOO
    4:34 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    NIT invites are the true measure of a program and a coach. Sweet Sixteen Crean will lead us to the promised land of the second round where we will get whacked by Belmont. I will then shove yet another semen soaked bobblehead of Crean up my already full rectum.



  66. Rae
    4:40 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    59. You almost beat us in the tournament? We won by 11. That isn’t almost.

    Didn’t you all lose to Wisconsin 11 times in a row? And didn’t you lose to Illinois on a last second shot much in the same way we did in Bloomington?

    At least Cal didn’t come in to UK and have three losing seasons. Can’t say the same about Crean. At least Cal has made Elite Eight or better three years in a row. Can’t say the same about Crean.



  67. RealCatsFan
    4:40 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    59 – “PayPal Cal and his team of 5 NBA players lost once to Tommy Crean and almost did again in the tournament.”

    Surely you can’t be serious. Indiana led for all of 2 minutes late in the 2nd half, and UK walked away from IU in the second half to win by 12. Since when is that “almost losing”? Face it, it took a 25 foot last second prayer by Watford in a meaningless December game, or IU would be 0-for-who-knows against UK in recent memory. Crean is a mediocre coach – the only real accomplishment he has to his credit is a FF in 2003, while riding the coattails of D. Wade. He hasn’t done diddly squat since, and won’t this year either. Face it – your Hoosiers can’t beat a quality team on the road.



  68. seriously
    5:03 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Seriously???? Archie is making his free throws?? STFU!



  69. goukats`
    5:18 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Would like to see this lineup,Wiltjer,Mays,Noel,Harrow,and Poythress.Mays is a better ballhander,outside shooter,and not out of control.Bring Goodwin and Polson off the bench when and if needed.Stein in for Kyle or Poytress as needed.



  70. Mike Phillips
    5:21 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    It looks to me that Archie has a stubborn streak in him. He likes doing things his way, but his way is obviously wrong. I have no idea if he’s coachable or not, but just watch his body language, not good. I think he just came here because he thought UK was the quickest way to the NBA.



  71. ONE EYE
    5:49 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Watch Archie every time he goes to the floor………. Always,Always,Always lays there until someone picks his lazy butt up…….Wish he would get his act together NOW.



  72. brain
    6:00 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    Undoubtedly one of the stinkiest piles of shit ever written. There’s so much erroneous crap in this post I don’t even know where to start. If you can’t do better than this, quit.



  73. brain
    6:04 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    10-You’re a blithering idiot.



  74. kuhlkat
    6:12 pm February 10, 2013 Permalink

    34 i was referring to SEC play–check the stats–not even close to 25%. We have better options shooting the 3 is what i was referring to.