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Absolutely Shocking…UL Can OWN the Yum Center if it Defaults

I have always believed that the lease “negotiated” by the Arena Authority and UL for the Yum Center was one of the biggest frauds perpetrated on the state’s taxpayers in some time. Well it turns out, I didn’t know the half of it. today reports that under the lease, UL can buy the arena if defaults on its bond. This means that after the Arena Authority negotiated one of the most ridiculous leases in all of history, one that essentially makes it impossible for the building to make money, the entity that causes the arena’s profitability problems can then take it over and own it outright. Astounding.

Let’s review for just a second the problems at the Yum Center. Because UL has rights of first refusal on all dates from November to March, the arena simply cannot attract a NBA team or draw many major concerts due to a lack of dates. That means the two most important ways for the arena to be profitable have been removed, simply so UL can have first choice on their basketball games. And UL is very clear about its intentions. Look at this quote from their spokesperson in the article:

Mark Hebert, U of L director of communications, said the clause was included to make certain the U of L mens’ basketball team wasn’t left without a place to play in a worst-case scenario, and to block a National Basketball Association team from coming to Louisville.

“We wanted a seat at the table in case of a worst case scenario of bankruptcy or foreclosure; to protect our lease in case of a change of ownership.” U of L officials didn’t want an NBA owner coming in and getting control of the arena, parking an NBA team there for five years while milking tax incentives, then moving on, Hebert said.

That means that UL is admitting publicly that it is trying to keep an NBA team from coming to the city, even though it would have a HUGE positive impact on the local economy. UL is admitting publicly that it not only wants no NBA team, it actively is attempting to keep them away. We knew that before, but now they are admitting it. So with no team able to come, the arena can’t be profitable. And the moment that happens…well then UL can step in and actually own an arena that was supposed to be taxpayer funded and owned. It is truly remarkable.

I encourage you to read the entire story, if nothing else, just to be outraged. We have long known the Arena Authority “negotiated” a terrible deal. And we have also long suspected that there were sneaky dealings to make this happen, due to the close relationship between Arena Authority members and the University of Louisville. But now we know the kicker…not only was the “negotiation” a total fraud, but when it blows up in the taxpayer’s collective faces, the only winner will be UL Athletics. Shameful.

Article written by Matt Jones

81 Comments for Absolutely Shocking…UL Can OWN the Yum Center if it Defaults

  1. MethodUK
    7:12 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Good Lord! Wonder if this really is the main agenda?

  2. Big J
    7:13 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Can the taxpayers sue?

  3. wow
    7:17 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    It took me a second to realize the magnitude of that, but my roommate in law school bugged out immediately upon reading it. What a farce.

  4. LOL
    7:19 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Now Matt has something to talk about on his radio show tomorrow. An NBA team wouldn’t make it in Lousville. Only reason 4th Street Live is still operating is because of the municipality keeping it open and pouring money into it.

  5. Go2Guy
    7:19 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Keeping NBA out of the YUM is not the same thing as keeping Sternball out of Louisville

  6. UK
    7:23 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Can we blow it up…like the football field in “The Dark Knight Rises”?

  7. blueaville
    7:23 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    glad I read I can listen to music during car time tomorrow. the UL talk on KSR is sickening after a while. I can’t wait until football…maybe we’ll get some UK talk.

  8. Bleaker
    7:24 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    3- no offense, but getting legal knowledge from your law school room mate is like getting medical advice from a medical student. Pass the bar first!

  9. wow
    7:28 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    8- where was I offered advice?

  10. FloydsScissors
    7:30 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    9 – seems like 8 was offering the advice…

  11. Houston Wildcat
    7:31 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    #9 I was going to say the same thing. I didn’t see where you asked him to sue the arena for you.

  12. Biggass Hungguy
    7:34 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    No state funding for any University of Louisville related project until they change the lease.

  13. Jimmy
    7:34 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    UL looked after their best interest first. I wish Barnhart would take some notes here.

  14. Now We Know Why They're
    7:36 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Most Profitable!!

  15. putinrichie
    7:37 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Every UL fan should really wakeup and question why they are still UL fans. This is pathetic and makes me really question the integrity of the people at UofL. To sabotage an entire city and attempt to bring down the local economy for their own greedy self interests is one of the worst things I have ever seen. The funny thing is an NBA team in Louisville would be one of the greatest things for UofL. Ask Calipari or Josh Pastner if having the Memphis Grizzlies in Memphis helped or hurt Memphis recruiting. Ask Jay Wright if having the 76ers in town helps or hurts Villanova recruiting. Just pathetic.

  16. Mitch McConnell
    7:38 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    I’ll always make sure our hand is in the cookie jar. Now all you poor people quit asking for handouts.

    7:39 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    We dont need 2 NBA teams in Kentucky Cal already has one in Lexington

  18. putinrichie
    7:40 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    12 – If the arena doesn’t make money and does default, would UL be so willing to own the building and lose money left and right just to keep an NBA team from coming? That seems crazy. Why would they be so opposed to having a pro team in Louisville? It seems to work fine for other schools.

  19. bob
    7:46 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    17- true dat!

  20. shelbyjoe
    7:46 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    I wonder if a class-action lawsuit on behalf of the taxpayers of Jefferson County could ensue? that’d be awesome. Sue the arena authority, UL, and the YUM center for fraud and non-disclosure to the public key facts pertinent to the arena’s ability to profit.

  21. Zippernosed
    7:55 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Damn Matt……that may rile some national feathers…….go get’m big fella……

  22. B. Gee Szuss
    8:07 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Look up Louisville Arena Authority.
    You will see alot of red coats.
    To begin, Jim Host.
    Larry Bisig too.

    Then there is Goldman Sachs, yellow bellies.

  23. Ben
    8:12 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    You cannot sue a city or government entity! This is the same old politics that the Democrats have been running behind closed doors for the last fifty years. The only thing new about this is that the internet has made public, what the main steam media has kept private for all these years. Wake up people if you think any of this is new. Politicians are a necessary evil, that needs to be watched over carefully! We have been asleep for too long. No pro team and no UK playing at the Yum Center. It is too late to close the barn door.

  24. Bicycle Seat Sniffer
    8:17 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Can you imagine how the national media and rival fan bases would respond if UK Athletics were in such a position? There would be unbelievable outrage.

  25. Matt
    8:20 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    NCAA should investigate…this is an advantage that other schools do not get… FRAUD

  26. Big Blue 66
    8:24 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    now UL will “buy” it for pennies on the dollar, where they could make money having nothing else but their games in it. So basically the public taxpayers we defrauded and ripped of my an institute of higher education…..well maybe thats a stretch since it is UL

  27. jpgott2
    8:24 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    22.) B. Gee, Jim Host is a UK fan through and through. He basically brought the arena to fruition with a desire to attract an NBA team.

    UL is some mindless thug that is using the taxpayer to cover their butt for the most ridiculous contract in arena history. There is and never will be a DOWNTOWN arena meant solely for a college athletics team, especially one of the YUM Centers extravagance.

    What happened is that the money was brought to the table by Host and company, with the hope of attracting an NBA team to Louisville. The arena authority then flipped the script and gave UL the rights to their own private playground, and it is costing us big-time (I live in Louisville)!

    At the end of the day, UL will come out with a spiffy arena that they would not have gotten without deceit.

  28. CatsFanFromCincy
    8:29 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Matt, BLOW THIS UP ON THE RADIO TOMORROW!!!! Ask for comments from U of L, from the Courier Journal, from the City, from any commentator you can! Make people talk about this! Ask UK, Ask Cal, and anyone with a public voice who would be interested in a pro team in Kentucky!

  29. blitzedanddazed
    8:31 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    None of this surprises me. I wrote in yesterday’s KSR comments that U of L would prefer to let the city default on the Yum Center before letting a NBA locate in Louisville. When will the people in this state wake up and realize that people such as David Williams, James Ramsey, Tom Jurich and Rick Pitino will sell themselves to the Devil for a dollar. As the great Philosopher ” P Jurkin” says: classless people lead classless institutions.

  30. jill
    8:34 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    LOL…a NBA team play in Freedom Hall…It’s called having a GREAT AD…after this season Commonwealth Stadium may be in default…

  31. Roland
    8:46 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    One clause does not make up a lease.

  32. onewhoknows
    8:56 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    agree about a bad deal, but realize the arena could never be approved w/o uofl agreeing to play there. with freedom hall deteriorating, a new facility was a must. also, the state owns uofl and the bonds that financed the arena, thus the state will make the call on who owns it eventually and determine what it’s use will be.

  33. BPsycho
    9:02 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    #27 Sounds about right, they low down……..

  34. Higher Taxes
    9:09 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    The bigger reason UofL doesn’t want a NBA team is they don’t want competition for Marketing dollars. Yum was going to put up 100MM for 10 year naming rights for the NBA but got the current deal for $13MM for 10 yrs. Jurich almost lost Papa John over his pursuit of Yum for their practice facility. Maybe they should change their name because the last thing they care about is the city of Louisville.

  35. The Big Toe
    9:10 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    I think I saw this same scenario play out on a Soprano’s episode.

  36. HiMatt
    9:13 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Matt is obsessed with everything Louisville. Point blank, period.

  37. Higher Taxes
    9:14 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    #32 were was UofL going to go??? They cannot afford an on campus arena.

  38. SittinBull
    9:16 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Yeah and they’re trying to kick Chick-Fil-A off campus too! Dang Dirty Birds!

    9:20 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    They can play in bellermines redone areana.Mabey the can just play in the dirt bowl in Shawnee park since thier players suck

  40. the anti cat
    9:21 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    So, is matt showing his faux rage at the city or is he just pissed that he could come up with some way to show how Cal would make this a better deal if it happened in Lexington?

    9:22 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Shut up anti cat ittle bioch

  42. Logic
    9:23 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    We all knew that Jurich was running circles around Barnhart…..but Lord, he’s in a whole other universe of money and politics.

    9:24 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    your lucky the arena is there are you would have nowhere to stand on the corner and shack your can and wear your flat bill hat smoking your black n mild begging for money anti cat

  44. Bradley
    9:25 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Their coach pays to have a baby killed and they give him a raise, an extension and label him a “grand ambassador to the program” and people are surprised at how classless and corrupt they were in cooking this arena deal? Folks, rivalry aside, the crew at UL are some of the most classless scumbag people you’ll find anywhere. When Jurich leaves the trail of financial destruction he leaves in his wake will blow your mind..

    9:25 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Lets just all agree UL sucks

    9:26 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    what 44 said

    9:28 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    I bought the basketball for dumbies today it only had 1 page it was a pic of UL

  48. Dear UL and IU fans, We are national champions; you are not. The end.
    9:28 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Wow, this is like the Sopranos. Here’s hoping it ends the same way.

  49. UKBlue
    9:35 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    This isn’t new information. This is the ground work being laid to prepare for an inevitable bankruptcy. This contract gives UL incentive to not payoff the Yum Center trying to get the Yum Center at a discount in bankruptcy court. The one huge big thing is, there is no way on God Green earth UL could afford to buy the Yum Center or more less pay to operate the Yum Center. UL can claim first right of refusal, but the bond holders will be the owners & the bond holders would most defiantly sue. Don’t be surprised if the bondholders claim fraud on the Arena Authority since their financial numbers were beyond fudged. The city of Louisville would also inevitable be named in a lawsuit, meaning the taxpayers having to pay to fight a lawsuit. UL doesn’t have anywhere close to enough money to fight off a bond holder lawsuit.

    If UL tries to fight changing the contract, Beshear is going to take UL President Ramsey job away from him, and there is talk coming out of Frankfort that this talk has already started.

    This is getting ready to turn into a huge financial mess. UL always finds a way to screw something up.

  50. Swoony
    9:40 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Great reason to follow the facebook page “Bring the NBA to Louisville”!/nba2lou and voice your opinion!

  51. not surprised
    9:44 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Of course, matt forgets to mention that uofl wanted the arena at one of two other sites. This would have save around 100 million. But the city stepped it and begged them to built it on the river. That is why uofl got such a sweet deal. Typical uofl hatred, hick move by Jones.

  52. jill
    9:51 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    It’s football season…what else does he have to talk about…

  53. Reality Check
    9:55 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Just goes to show what a Billy Bob of an AD we have. Jurich is making mitch look like the boob that he is.

  54. Dear UL and IU fans, We are national champions; you are not. The end.
    9:56 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Bottom line is that UL is the dirty scandalous entity we all suspected.

  55. Matt Jones
    9:57 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    If not for uofl, I would have nothing to talk about. I would be forced to practice law again. All my law peers mock me behind by back.

  56. MikeDBBA
    10:07 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Why is no one mentioning how there is no way they could afford the arena if it defaulted? They wouldn’t get any state funding, therefore it wouldn’t happen

  57. WestPointCard
    10:17 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Hey, the Cards picked up another guy for this season, Mangok “Mango” Mathing, 6′ 10″ 3 star center.

  58. catlanta
    10:22 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    All matt is doing is reinforcing that uofl has a great ad and we have a simpleton and a dolt. The only thing mitch is clever enough to get done is to have a new tampon machine added to the women’s bathroom.

  59. UKBlue
    11:09 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    Another claim that will be made is that UL negotiated the contract in bad faith knowing they were going to try and get the Yum Center for a discount.

    Goldman Sachs is also going to get thrown into a lawsuit.

    This is about to get very political, very messy, and anyone who thinks UL is going to own the Yum Center is out of their mind.

    In the end, we are going to see UL President Ramsey kicked out with Tommy Turtle Neck Bowl Hair Cut Jurich more than likely not too far behind him. If this gets bad enough, Pitino could even become collateral damage.

  60. your mom
    11:10 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    This is some funny shit.

  61. Lawman
    11:15 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    #8 Passing the bar doesn’t make you any more knowledgable about law either.

  62. John
    11:55 pm August 1, 2012 Permalink

    #23 That is only half true about not being able to sue the government. You are right that you can’t sue the government but you can sue the individuals of the government if they do something to violate civil rights. It would be called a Bivens lawsuit. Civil rights such as taking of property is covered under a Bivens suit. I believe the tax payers payed for the Yum Center so its kind of our property isn’t it? If government employees purposely set this up so it would fail and go into the hands of UofL then we sure can sue government employees.

    Here is a link explaining Bivens Lawsuis

  63. Brent
    12:16 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    Hey notsurprised,

    There is a reason Matt didn’t mention how UofL wanted the arena at another site. That being that you are making it up you dumb sack of crap.

    UofL DEMANDED that any new downtown arena be located at the site it currently is located. The other site was proposed to be the old water company site for $100 million LESS, but Jurich openly claimed it was either the current site or nothing.

    Either you have a bad memory or you are a liar.

  64. UKBlue
    4:02 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    To all the people talking smack about Mitch: This whole deal lined up perfectly for UL, Jurich, and the Arena Authority: they all wanted a new arena, they didn’t care how they got it or how they would pay for it, and the Arena Authority was willing to give UL what they wanted to make sure the Yum Center got built. Jurich didn’t pull off some big deal or some big negotiation, the Arena Authority & Jurich were willing to screw over whoever all to make sure the Yum Center got built. UL, Jurich, and the Arena Authority have now created a huge mess, and you can guarantee there are a lot of people getting ready to get thrown underneath the bus, Jim Host being one of them, and the political fall out from this is about to get nasty.

    I would rather have a guy like Mitch who has some kind of class, integrity, and isn’t willing to sell out UK, the fans, the city of Lexington, the tax payers of Lexington & the state of KY just to get whatever.

  65. JP
    7:33 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    I like how the U of L fans are trolling and saying how Jurich is making Barnhart look like a fool because of this magnificent arena scheme. If they actually paid taxes instead of living off of government assistance (or are still in school, suckling off of Mommy’s teats), they might care that their AD swindled the taxpayers of the state. Instead, they celebrate what amounts to little more than common thievery. Typical.

  66. bbmike
    9:00 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    Obviously the arena authority forgot to have an attorney redline the lease with the cards-no way an entity with have a brain(and hundreds of millions of borrowed money) agreed to this. Its their own fault. You know there is no way the lease started with the language ul gets to own the arena in the event of default. ul added it and the arena authority simply agreed to it. The arena authority just accepted it and the cards don’t have to change anything.

  67. you're an idiot JP
    9:07 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    65 – JP You’re an idiot. 70% of the tax money from Louisville goes to the rest of the 119 counties in the state, especially the dry counties. And I’m sure none of those hillbilly’s in eastern KY live off government assistance. Without Louisville this entire state is completely bankrupt. You’re welcome.

  68. bbmike
    9:09 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    BTW-ul would not be able to come up with the money to buy it unless the bond holders are willing to take a HUGE loss. Ul would have to go to state to get bonding and I don’t see the state saying “sure-you can borrow 350M to buy a facility that can’t service the current debt amount today.”

  69. bbmike
    9:22 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    #67-you better check your facts. I live here and know louisville lags behind the state high school avg graduation rate by DOUBLE DIGITS. Its not close actually to even being avg. Not to mention-louisville ranked #169 in college degrees per capita. you have no clue what you are talking about. This city is the largest or 2nd largest(compared to NKY metro), but is also a big reason for medicaid shortfall this state faces every year. I love the city, but to act like its smarter, richer, prettier than the rest is a lie. I love the state end to end and trust me-louisville is just one piece of the state. no better, no worse.

  70. Head Bussa
    9:34 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    Do you understand how much negative backlash UofL will have heaved on them from the mayor’s office and the city council if the city has to default on their bonds, thus lowering the city’s credit rating? You make it sound like UofL will make away like a thief in the night but that is not true at all. The Mayor’s office is not going to let this go down and end up making HIM look bad. He’s gonna make UofL look bad, thus forcing the Cards hand at renegotiating the lease and making room for an NBA team to come. I’m fully confident that the renegotiation will occur. Money talks, bullshit walks.

  71. Head Bussa
    9:39 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    69 — What does the “facts” you present have to do with the fact that Louisville is the economic engine of the state?

  72. bmack
    10:04 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    #67 – Kentucky is one of the largest recipients of tax dollars through federal spending. It gets $1.96 for every $1 paid in federal taxes. As a taxpayer in a state that pays more than we receive, you’re welcome. Also, it’s amusing to toss around the pejorative “hillbilly” when you misspell its plural. It’s “hillbillies” not “hillbilly’s.” Again, you’re welcome. Now return to your fabulous cosmopolitan Louisville lifestyle.

  73. badbluetokyo
    10:21 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    #69 — Louisville, Lexington and Northern Kentucky generally receive back between $0.50-0.67 on the dollar that they send to Frankfort. No matter how it’s sliced, Kentucky is a federal teat state that further transfers instate metro revenues to rural counties. It’s always been that way and will continue to be until there is comprehensive tax reform in Kentucky. A quick google search will lead you to a wealth of published studies indicating the economic impact of Louisville on the rest of the state.

  74. you're an idiot JP
    10:33 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    69 – Not sure how you’re argument applies to mine but I’ll argue it anyway since I’m bored at work. Louisville has trouble with high school graduation rates because of (along with other reasons) a lack of funding. Lose about $350 million a year (Wave 3 article). That directly affects the ability to earn a college degree which would be one of the reasons that the college degrees per capita is so low.

    72 – Thanks for the grammar lesson. Maybe I should have gone with rednecks instead. Yeah I’ll stick with that. You rednecks should check out the $950 million that leaves Louisville every year and tell me that doesn’t drive any kind of development in the rest of the state. You’re welcome.

  75. kolin
    11:21 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    When I was being recruited for football back in 08-09 their main argument to try and get me to commit there was that Louisville is the biggest city in the nation that does not have a professional team. Ot was almost if they were trying to develop their own small college town feel in order to get more fans to support them being that the cardinal fan base is some of the most inconsistent especially when the schools athletics are down in a particular sport. During the kragthorpe era they couldnt fill a 40 somthin thousand seat stadium and they are a division 1 fbs school!!!how pathetic!!! so in my eyes this is Louisvilles way of keeping the athletics within the college in order to milk the Louisville fan population because how much money would the school lose in money and in support if they allowed a pro team to take over?

  76. JP
    11:29 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    #67 and 74 – did I say that everyone who lives in Louisville is drawing government assistance? No, I was making fun of the idiot U of L fans/graduates who are trolling this post and ragging on Barnhart for being an honest AD, as opposed to Jurich, and how they likely don’t care that U of L is trying to steal the Yum Center.

    Of course there are hard working, normal people in Louisville who pay taxes. It’s the biggest city in the state. And as far as facts go, it is also the second largest area of the state that draws government assistance, behind Eastern KY. But again, that just goes hand-in-hand with being the most densely populated area of the state.

    Read. Comprehend. Then post. I was just f’n around with the trolls in this post, not directly attacking the city of Louisville or the majority of its residents. Christ, some people are so sensitive.

  77. Swoony
    11:41 am August 2, 2012 Permalink

    residents of louisville also provide the other 119 counties of this state with plenty of illegitimate children, crack, line-beards, and a false sense of superiority

  78. not matt jone
    2:09 pm August 2, 2012 Permalink

    The Yum center is losing money because it was being managed by the inept KY Fair Board with its government staff and pensions. That is why they bid out the management of the arena to a third party group a few months ago, but I would not expect you idiots to follow the news. There have been numerous attempts over the years to get an NBA team in Louisville and all have failed for various reasons. This article is clearly an attempt to disparage UL and is basically devoid of the actual facts, but I would expect nothing more from Matt “I will say anything for attention” Jones.

  79. Higher Taxes
    3:37 pm August 2, 2012 Permalink

    #78 – yes that is the only issue. SMH….. I am sure those salaries are going to make up the difference. You do not understand how much trouble this arena is in. For Mayor Fischer a die hard UofL supporter to go against the UofL money people by saying we need a NBA team say’s a lot.

  80. Lol
    3:51 pm August 2, 2012 Permalink

    Why wouldn’t the Arena Authority allow UofL scheduling priority when it sells out or nearly sells out every single game. Sure, it might make scheduling other events more difficult, but not impossible. Besides, other events aren’t going to be nearly the economic boom UofL games are. Plus, part of the purpose of building the Yum was to give UofL the scheduling priority it did not have at Freedom Hall. UofL made a smart play in the negotiation. Besides, if the shoe were reversed, do you really think UK would give up scheduling priority of its arena so an NBA team could come in and take over. This is college basketball country, if anyone other than Louisville fans can appreciate that, you’d think it would be UK fans– at least those smart enough to understand it…

  81. Geez
    7:44 pm August 2, 2012 Permalink

    Sounds like Jones’ vagina is blood red over this issue.