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A Kanter nugget

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The rising celebrity power of Chuck Wynne was on display this morning as the NCAA spokesman told Brett Dawson that a ruling in the Enes Kanter appeal could come later this week or the first part of next week.  What is more interesting than the timeline, though, is the wording by Wynne calling the case an “appeal”.  Does that mean that UK has lost the initial review of the case and they are now at the appeals stage?  We’re checkig on that.  We’ll update you shortly.

via Brett Dawson

Article written by Thomas Beisner

71 Comments for A Kanter nugget



  1. UKFanCincy
    10:20 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    DAMN.



  2. Really?
    10:23 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Daniels?



  3. catinhat
    10:25 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    APPEAL? I thought we went back to square one to re-submit to the NCAA, start over, and THEN after getting (most likely) a repeated ineligible result, go to appeal committee at THAT point.

    Is Dawson just mis-using the word appeal?



  4. catinhat
    10:26 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Oh – sorry Bize, I only read the first two sentences, then typed what you said in your next three.



  5. Orlando Antigua
    10:28 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Just let your soooouuuuul glow baby
    feeling oh so silky smooth
    Just let it shine through yeah
    Just let your soooouuuul glow oooo

    (Soul glow)



  6. nassau65
    10:30 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    who knows? maybe MM. but he’d be wrong on purpose to protect the integrity of the NCAA i’m sure.



  7. coach k
    10:31 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    UK SUCKS GO DUKE



  8. Megan
    10:34 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    3 – You have it exactly right. And you’re asking exactly the right question.



  9. cdc_uky
    10:34 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    I hope this is the second appeal. I am ready for some closure on this…good or bad.



  10. stevem
    10:37 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Hope it is the appeal. Let’s get this finalized so the lawsuit can begin.



  11. CatFanInOhio
    10:39 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    This slightly brings my mood down, but only slightly. Turn on 1080am and listen to Jones slaughter UL Fans. First 10 minutes were golden.



  12. hgibson
    10:40 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Surely we would have heard something about it if that was the case. Too many people with their ears wide open to miss something like that.



  13. RidgeRunner
    10:42 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    This has went on longer and more labor-intrusive than a womans pregnancy. Good Lord.



  14. SexNMentalWards
    10:47 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    The NCAA wasn’t going to send out a press release that copied the original ruling unless their decision changed, which it didn’t. So it moves to the appeal stage. It was always going to be this way. I think the re-submission was just an attempt to get the Newton precedent in the appeals hearing anyways, since you cannot bring new information before the board. Likely the plan all along.



  15. Megan
    10:53 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    12 – yes, somebody would have heard something.

    After the initial decision, someone at the NCAA’s Bylaw Blogs tweeted that the SAR staff, responsible for making the initial decision, was taking guidance from the appellate SAR Committee. It that’s at all true, that there is no Chinese Wall between them, the appellate process becomes a fiction, with the Committee essentially reviewing its own decision. Just thinking ahead …



  16. Al's IndiCats
    10:54 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    14) I think you are correct in that. I feel it doesn’t look all that promising. But if Jorts continues just to be in the thick of things like he was against Looserville I believe we’ll be alright! Go Cats!!!!!!!! And Free Enes!!!!!!!!



  17. kitten
    10:56 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    mmm … Kanter nuggets …



  18. RUPPS_rhetoric
    10:58 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    JORTS > ZOUBEK …If we get a good draw matchup wise, we have a very high ceiling.



  19. RidgeRunner
    10:58 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    15…Thought the NCAA Staff was totally separate (Wall between them as you state) than say the NCAA Appeal Committee? I mean, thats all we have heard and seen.



  20. Common Sense
    10:59 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    WTF? The NCAA is totally inept. About as credible and functional as the United Nations….



  21. CadizCat
    11:01 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Who needs Enes, when we have Eloy!



  22. RidgeRunner
    11:03 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    21…We do.



  23. my dog eats better than this
    11:09 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    NCAA continues to bumble …



  24. Rob Schnieder
    11:11 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    I thought nobody knows anything about anything though? That’s what Jones has been saying.. Is everyone still guessing? Then why are you reporting a guess?.. Probably because you have zero sources except the ‘dying’ newspapers…..

    #dontshitwhereyoueat.



  25. El Dude
    11:12 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    #20 – if only the NCAA were as credible and functional as the UN. The UN …

    1. Consistently sends peacekeepers to countries and regions where industrial powers such as the United States refuse to deploy troops. As of June, the United Nations had 15 peacekeeping operations ongoing. They include nearly 44,000 military personnel and civilian police in areas stretching from East Timor to Sierra Leone to Bosnia-Herzegovina. The world body has had 1,674 fatalities during 54 peacekeeping operations since 1948.
    2. Is often is seen as one of the world’s few unbiased peace negotiators. Annan has traveled the globe non-stop and has been a significant player in peace talks in the Middle East, Northern Ireland, the Balkans and throughout Africa. Since 1945, U.N. officials say the organization has negotiated 172 successful peace settlements.
    3. Remains one of the world’s largest sources of aid to refugees, children and the poor. More than 50 million refugees, for example, have received U.N. aid since 1951. In developing nations, U.N. efforts have cut child mortality rates in half and helped eradicate smallpox. Counting all humanitarian missions, the United Nations distributed more than 3 million tons of food to more than 83 million people last year.

    The more you know…



  26. RidgeRunner
    11:16 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    26…Oh wait ya forgot one…

    4. Sets strong worded and very intellectual written resolutions only to neever enforce them.
    😉



  27. RidgeRunner
    11:17 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    25 ^..-sorry



  28. Al's IndiCats
    11:19 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    The thing that I’m wondering is this Megan, if it’a all the same then why have an appeal be made when the Judge, Jury, and executioner AND appeal committee are all the same people? Is it a feasible ruling? Will they rule against themselves from the first ruling? I’m not trying to be smart, I’m actually confused. I witnessed quite a few court proceedings in which I can honestly say I’ve never seen a panel rule against themselves from the first one. What I thought is that this would go to another side of the rulings with a entirely different panel of people.



  29. RidgeRunner
    11:20 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    28…Ya said what I couldn’t (but tried) say in my 19 post. Thx!



  30. fish
    11:21 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    the appeals committee is a different group than the ncaa



  31. Bluecalizone
    11:22 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Don’t want to sound like a downer, but it’s possible. The NCAA informs the University of it’s ruling, and any media release would in turn come from the University. It’s possible that they received the initial ruling and just chose not to announce it, go ahead and file the appeal, then wait for the final outcome. As optimistic as I’d love to be, I think deep down we all realize that the odds on them clearing Enes, even though it is without a doubt the right thing to do, probably will not happen. And I sure hope that I couldn’t be more wrong, but I fear I’m not.



  32. Just saying
    11:25 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    THIS JUST IN!!! The NCAA will allow Kanter to play next season, after sitting this one. They also annouced because of the obvious talent gap the 2011-12 regular season and conference tournaments will be canceled. The NCAA has already decided Duke and UK will play for the national title in March, so there’s no reason for all the games leading up.

    The game was going to be held at the new KFC Yum center in Louisville, but Jurich realized the entire stadium would be royal blue, and therfore declined the offer



  33. kitten
    11:25 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    28 – Yes, that’s how it’s supposed to work, of course. So imagine my surprise when I read the tweet explaining that the court of original jurisdication, in you will, was taking guidance from the body charged with review their decision. That’s not an appeal. That’s a kangaroo court. Let me go find that tweet for you.



  34. fish
    11:27 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    sorry i posted b4 i read



  35. university p
    11:29 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    25) your mom like the U.N.



  36. Nashville Cat
    11:30 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Geez, as the Kanter turns



  37. Bluecalizone
    11:32 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    #32-Shouldn’t you be in school?



  38. the worlds most interesting fan
    11:32 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    most people are considering UK’s resubmission an appeal. If the NCAA made a ruling, it would have to be annouced, sorry this is just mis-wording



  39. Just saying
    11:34 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    37. it was a joke. The part about YUm and Jurich was a jab at UL being mad UK fans were at the UK/UL game wearing blue.

    I’ll type slower next time so you can keep up



  40. Common Sense
    11:45 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    25 Don’t deny it has done some good things but as a present entity it is a huge corrupt money pit.



  41. megan
    11:46 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Here you go, from twitter.com/bylawblog (in reverse chronological order):

    Don’t judge the decision on whether the definition of amateurism is a good one until we, the NCAA members, decide what it will be.
    12:00 PM Nov 14th via Tweetie for Mac

    Who would you rather have trying to make up new rules: the staff of the NCAA or the NCAA members themselves?
    11:59 AM Nov 14th via Tweetie for Mac

    It’s up to the committee, the members of the NCAA, to decide if that’s still a good rule or if this case deserves relief.
    11:58 AM Nov 14th via Tweetie for Mac

    If you receive greater compensation than your expenses from a professional team, you do not get reinstated. And there isn’t much mitigation.
    11:58 AM Nov 14th via Tweetie for Mac

    The staff follows the direction of the committee, and the committee’s direction in this case is clear.
    11:57 AM Nov 14th via Tweetie for Mac

    You asked for it, here it is: at the staff level, the Kanter decision is 100% correct.
    11:57 AM Nov 14th via Tweetie for Mac



  42. Al's IndiCats
    11:48 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    My Mother always said “Good things come to those who wait”. Well Folks if Enes is declared eligible with all the waiting that we’ve done I’ll have to say that this is a GREAT thing to have waited for. But in all seriousness, with the way they made the quick rulings on Selby and Newton, I’m somewhat skeptical about this whole appeals thing……..GO CATS!!!!FREE ENES!!!!!!!!



  43. RidgeRunner
    11:51 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    41…Jorts didn’t tweet this…now did he?

    No, thx! So much for the different “bodies” looking at things (so to speak) as we perceived they would.



  44. JEREMY
    11:57 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Imagine if this was being done to a dukie! Imagine how much we would be hearing about this on ESPN!! Anybody with common sense would know that this is a complete JOKE! The NCAA needs to be done away with! They are a complete joke and are worthless! I just don’t understand why there isn’t more stories about how wrong this whole situation is!!!



  45. drmike
    11:59 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    #7, If UK sucks, why are you reading OUR website?



  46. WWE
    11:59 am January 3, 2011 Permalink

    This just in under a new ncaa rule the underkanter and the undertaker will wrestle chuck wynne and cam newton to see if enes kanter will be eligible to play at kentucky on a side the ncaa said that he could enroll at kansas and play immediately



  47. Flyrock
    12:03 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    The NCAA’s problem is that Enes did not take the $33,000 out in tattoos.



  48. CRIP2131
    12:10 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    what happened to video about darrly griffth



  49. Vince Lombardi says....
    12:20 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Confidence is contagious. So is lack of confidence.
    Vince Lombardi



  50. Vince Lombardi says....
    12:23 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    If you can accept losing, you can’t win.
    Vince Lombardi



  51. RidgeRunner
    12:24 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Free Enes
    Vince Lombardi



  52. NCAA SUXS
    12:24 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    The decision will be made the day after the National championship game is played next monday. No need to bring up conversations of why Cam Newton should have been ruled ineligible.



  53. The Real Hambone
    12:25 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    hey 25… SHUT THE HECK UP!!!



  54. Vince Lombardi says....
    12:26 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing-the result.
    Vince Lombardi



  55. Vince Lombardi says....
    12:28 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    The harder you work, the harder it is to surrender.
    Vince Lombardi



  56. Vince Lombardi says....
    12:29 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    We didn’t lose the game; we just ran out of time.
    Vince Lombardi



  57. Vince Lombardi says....
    12:32 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.
    Vince Lombardi



  58. RidgeRunner
    12:36 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    RicksVD now has a challenger ^^…
    🙁



  59. chief_cat
    12:59 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    based on my memory of a previous description of the process, I interpret the tweets differently. As I recall, the NCAA “staff” (NCAA employees) makes the initial ruling (based on the facts and a strict interpretation of the rules). The university/student athlete can then appeal an unfavorable ruling to the NCAA “committee” (representative members of the NCAA from a number of universities). The “committee” is the appeallate board and considers the case based not just on fact but also on circumstances, precedence, etc.

    If my understanding is correct, I interpret the tweets as basically restating this.
    “…at the staff level, the Kanter decision is 100% correct.” True because the staff only reviews the facts and the rules. Kanter received monetary compensation in excess of basic living expenses and neither UK nor the Kanter family dispute the facts. The staff did not consider other expenses, such as educational expenses.

    “The staff follows the direction of the committee.” I interpret this to mean that the rules are established by the committee (member institutions) and these rules are the measuring stick for the staff when they determine eligibility. I do not believe that the tweet was indicating that the appeals board (the committee members) were taking their lead from the staff, nor did it indicate that the staff was advising the committee members. They are distinctly separate bodies.

    “It’s up to the committee, the members of the NCAA, to decide if that’s still a good rule or if this case deserves relief.” This is where the appeal comes into play. When a university/student athlete requests an appeal, representatives of the committee (not the NCAA staff that made the original ruling), review the case. They consider the facts, the rules related to the case, and any circumstances involved. They are not just reviewing the case, but also the rules themselves to determine whether they are clear, fair, and reasonable.

    The tweets go on to ask if we would prefer the staff (NCAA employees) or committee (NCAA university representatives) to make the rules. At this point, most of us probably are wondering whether either can do a decent job…but realistically, it’s probably safe to say that its better when the university representatives establish the rules since they must live by them. (I won’t dwell on the arguments from mid-major conferences who feel that the power conferences have too much levearge in the NCAA.)

    I have always felt that Enes best chance of getting on the court lies with the committee during an appeal. The rules and facts are being interpreted very strictly by the staff. The committee has the opportunity to consider the fact that the extra money was used for eduational expenses and any remaining funds were never spent (and have been offered to be returned). They can consider Enes intent to remain an amateur athlete based on both words and actions, to include turning down a substantial professional contract. They can consider (if they choose to do so) the precedence established by the Cam Newton case and any other related cases (to include other decisions regarding foreign students who played on profesional teams). They will have the opportunity to hear directly from Enes – who was not able to address the staff.

    I still think the odds are slim, not because of the circumstances, but because I don’t have much trust that the committee will put aside all the swirl from recent decisions and just do what is right for Enes. There has been so much negative publicity regarding the NCAA and their recent decisions that I believe they’ll choose to be tough on Enes as a part of their “course correction” efforts. Honestly though, who can predict what the committee will do? THey seem to be making it up as they go along. Here’s hoping for a favorable outcome.

    Free Enes!



  60. the fan
    1:06 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    59. I was going to post the same thing



  61. J.Picklesnickle
    1:22 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    I must have missed something big. I was under the impression that this WAS the appeal. Initially, he was declared permanantly ineligible by the NCAA. Then, there was the appeal. Then, after the Cam Newton ruling, there was additional information submitted to the Appeals Committee before they ruled. Right? If so, then this IS an appeal and I am once again baffled by one of Beezner’s posts.



  62. megan
    1:32 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    Here is a timely article (Jan. 2) on the NCAA and due process:

    http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=rivals-1171435



  63. TampaCat
    2:18 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    59.) This will never happen due to his Nike performance. The man was a beast!!! Enes addition would instantly place this years CATS in the Final four and the favorite to win it all.



  64. RidgeRunner
    2:35 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    59 & 62…My brain just melted completely away. Not that there was much to melt, but still.

    I see studd like: Hearing – due process – Kanter – appeal – SAR – Investigation – money, etc…and it’s all together like a bad gumbo-meal..
    🙁

    I think I’ll go apply for the NCAA Rules Committee.



  65. billy
    2:35 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    I have finally come to the conclusion that Kanter is lost for this year at least. Sorry.



  66. RidgeRunner
    2:35 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    studd & not studd…LOL

    See what I mean? I’m fried thx to this process.



  67. chief_cat
    2:48 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    64 – If you apply, be sure to leave the words “fair, reasonable, and logical” off your resume or you’ll be turned away!



  68. RidgeRunner
    2:53 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    67…Gotcha



  69. the most interesting fan in the world
    2:58 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    61. NOpe. When Uk decided to use “new information” the Appeals process can not hear “new information”, they can only rule on cases that have already had a decision. So UK decided instead of going thru the appeal, they would go back to the original NCAA board present the new info, and if it was rejected AGAIN, then they would appeal. UK has not gone through the “Apeal” process yet



  70. the most interesting fan in the world
    2:59 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    opps…”appeal”



  71. RidgeRunner
    3:32 pm January 3, 2011 Permalink

    A chronological timeline & summary is appropriate. LOL