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BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: Jersey Rafters Week, Part IV: Patrick Patterson and Jodie Meeks

All this week I am discussing a topic that is a popular one on this site and amongst UK fans: jersey retirement.  UK has not retired the jersey of a player that has played at the school since 1993 (Mashburn).  But, in the last 20 years, certainly there have been quite a few great players to come through Lexington, and I feel there are FIVE that have earned a jersey retirement.  I have already hit on 3: Tayshaun Prince, Tony Delk, and Keith Bogans.  But, as a part of this post, I also argue against 1 player day, not to minimalize that player’s career, but to highlight that this achievement is truly for the best of the best careers, and some guys just don’t stack up with the legends.  Already, I have argued against Wayne Turner, Rex Chapman, and Chuck Hayes.  Here is the schedule for the rest of the week and the posts from Monday and Tuesday:

MONDAY: Tony Delk (IN) and Wayne Turner (OUT)
TUESDAY: Tayshaun Prince (IN) and Rex Chapman (OUT)
WEDNESDAY: Keith Bogans (IN) and Chuck Hayes (OUT)
FRIDAY: John Wall and Anthony Davis

Now, before we get into today’s 2 players, I feel like I should clarify what I consider important to getting your jersey retired.  My criteria are fairly simple:

-I think individual stats and accolades are significantly more important than team success.  It doesn’t mean that winning a title doesn’t help some, but if you were an average player on a title team, I don’t think it boosts you into legend status.  I call this the Cameron Mills argument.

-A player’s “likeability” has no sway for me.  Rajon Rondo was not well-liked while at UK, but belongs up there more than Ramel Bradley does.

-NBA success has NO EFFECT whatsoever.  If had an effect, then we would have to also take out the NBA busts.  I don’t think Ron Mercer should be damaged by what he did after UK.

With that said, let’s look at the 2 players for today: PATRICK PATTERSON AND JODIE MEEKS

LET HIM IN (Patrick Patterson)

The Individual Numbers
Points: 1,564 (13th all-time)
Rebounds: 791 (13th all-time)
Blocks: 152 (8th all-time)

The Team Numbers
SEC Champions: 1 (2010)
SEC Tournament Champions: 1 (2010)

Awards
All-SEC 1st Team: 2 (2009 and 2010)
All-SEC 2nd Team: 1 (2008)
SEC Freshman of the Year: 1 (2008)

Patrick Patterson has the numbers to put him in the rafters.  A Top 20 scorer in just 3 seasons, which is somewhat amazing because Patterson never led UK in scoring in any of his 3 seasons.  But nonetheless, Patterson stepped onto campus and immediately became an impact player for the Cats, especially in a time where the program was floundering.  While his first two teams experienced limited wins, that junior year is likely what pushes Patterson over the top for me, even without a Final Four.  You could watch Patterson and see something special.  An All-SEC player each of his 3 seasons.  I feel there may be a small portion of the fanbase who would disagree with Patterson, likely because of no Final Four, but he made enough of an impact on and off the court to deserve inclusion.

KEEP HIM OUT (Jodie Meeks)

The Individual Numbers
Points: 1,246 (35th all-time)
Steals: 86 (40th all-time)
3-pointers: 177 (8th all-time)

The Team Numbers
No Championships

Awards
All-American 2nd team: 1 (2009)
All-SEC 1st-team: 1 (2009)

Jodie Meeks 2009 season is probably one of the 5 best individual seasons in UK history.  He scored the 2nd most points in any year in UK history, and that was without playing in the NCAA Tournament.  He was incredibly well-liked by the fanbase and stayed out of trouble off the court.  But, in Meeks case, he actually was harmed by the first 2 years of his career.  His freshman season was a very average year, and his sophomore year he was plagued by injuries the entire season.  If you only took Meeks junior year into consideration, he would be in the rafters.  If Meeks was a one and done player, and that year was 2009, Meeks would be there.  But, that’s not how it went.  Meeks 3-year career has to be taken into full consideration, and the career just does not stack up.   

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Article written by Bryan the Intern

26 Comments for BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: Jersey Rafters Week, Part IV: Patrick Patterson and Jodie Meeks



  1. CATandMONKEY
    9:04 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    Agree.



  2. Brian
    9:05 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    Meeks should have his number retired for the One Night In Knoxville performance alone.



  3. KSR Graduate School
    9:07 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    What happened to Rajon Rondo?



  4. Blue in Bama
    9:11 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    Patterson was a program saver when he committed. He deserves the nod over Jodie even though I really loved Meeks pumping them threes.



  5. Mark
    9:12 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    I think also if Meeks comes back and helps lead the team to a National Championship (which surely would have happened with his shooting) then he and PP are in the rafters.



  6. UK Terry
    9:16 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    Love PPat, but Mike Pratt deserves to go up before Patrick or Jodie (and any others not named Delk, Prince or Bogans) for his playing career (http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Players/Pratt_Mike.html), his work on the UK Network and for his behind-the-scenes networking to bring Coach Cal to Lexington.



  7. tltaworl
    9:17 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    Meeks was a special player, for 1 year. But 1 year doesn’t get you in the rafters especially when you go to the NIT. It should be interesting tomorrow. I don’t see how you would put Wall over Davis, but as good as Davis was, he did nothing offensivly in the title game and we still won. So it was really about the team not just AD.



  8. lost era
    9:21 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    That amazing duo produced a first round exit to marquette and an NIT trip. Neither should even be in the conversation. Patterson capped off his illustrious career with the epic choke to WVU in putting up 8 pts against that vaunted front line of wellington smith & devon ebanks. 2pat gets more love than he deserves. could have been a program savior like mash but really never emerged into an elite player.



  9. asdf
    9:21 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    Patrick Patterson’s numbers and success are not all that different than Chuck Hayes. You’re violating your own rules from yesterday by letting PPat in.

    And if Meeks’ one year is enough to get him in, then why does his other two years even matter? You have no semblance of logic on that decision. He’s the school record holder for points in a single game, one of the single most coveted school records possible for a player achieve. Probably second only to all-time points. He’s an easy in.



  10. cooperflood
    9:27 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    Patterson vs Meeks looks like the classic Baseball Hallfame argument Peak vs Longevity just compacted into 3 years. PPatt while one of my favorite players has easily the weakest resume of the “in” players this week. The most damning comment is the fact that he never led the team scoring. You could easily flip the argument on Meeks, that his 2009 season was so amazing that he deserves to be in the rafters based on that alone. In fact I don’t think you can argue for the inclusion of the non-championship one and dones, if your not willing to accept Meeks into the Hall.



  11. Blue in Bama
    9:28 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    9 – for all that Pat did on the court – which should garner consideration – his biggest contribution was his commitment to UK when it happened. He deserves to go before Chuck as well. The guy saved UK basketball during his era here. His jersey should go for that if nothing else.



  12. FrogWilson
    9:29 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    You’ve lost your mind if you think Jodie shouldn’t be in the rafters. come on man?!??!?



  13. Mojo
    9:30 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    11, Pat’s MOM deserves to be in the rafters more than Pat. She’s the one who saved UK basketball by getting Billy G. fired.



  14. UKFaniac
    9:39 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    BTI Sucks… it needed to be said.



  15. Huh?
    9:40 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    Lost all credibility when you said Wayne Turner shouldn’t.



  16. OJDIDIT
    9:48 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    I know im late but wanted to make a comment about Rex. I am young I barely remember Rex but if you are leaving him out for the reason you gave you need to be consistent with those reasons into the Cal era. If you go by that Cal should only have two or three tops. If they play in the Cal era dont win a title and leave early they cant go up.



  17. Musehobo
    9:48 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    BTI…”A player’s “likeability” has no sway for me.”

    BTI…”he (Patterson) made enough of an impact on and off the court to deserve inclusion”

    What, exactly, did Patterson do OFF the court that you have decided it is worth including in your decision all of a sudden? Not that I disagree. I said yesterday that “legacy” should be included in your criteria. Patterson was amazing on and off the court. Maybe you should distinguish the difference between “likability” and “off-the-court accolades”, and whether this is a factor. Separating those two may be difficult. The fact that Noel took Kelly to the Derby is an extraordinary off-the-court event. There’s no way to measure this, however, without the fact that this just makes us all “like” him all the more.

    Again, not arguing Pat shouldn’t be in. Just that your criteria is incomplete without “legacy”, something you feel can’t be measured like numbers.



  18. rabble rabble rabble
    9:51 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    BTI’s smartest sentence ever, “A player’s ‘likeability’ has no sway for me.” PPat is one of my top 5 UK players, ever, and I don’t think he deserves his jersey retired.



  19. Marvin
    10:32 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    Shouldn’t Jodie be given a pass because he played under BCG?



  20. Costa Rica
    10:45 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    I think calling Ron Mercer a bust is harsh.

    Anyone that plays 8 years in the NBA with a career average of 14 points per game isn’t a bust.

    15ppg 97-98 NBA All-Rookie First Team
    17ppg 98-99
    17ppg 99-00
    20ppg 00-01
    14ppg 01-02 Was averaging 17ppg for Chicago until traded midseason to Indiana

    That’s a bust? A bust doesn’t ever produce. Mercer had 5 great seasons in a row.

    He was doing great in the NBA until he was traded to Indiana where things went south and his career fizzled out.

    Calling Ron Mercer a bust is harsh… especially when it’s done by a UK sports website.



  21. SNE
    11:52 am June 13, 2013 Permalink

    Meeks should be in. He was an All-American in 2009, holds the single game scoring record, and made it into the 1,000 point club. That’s a powerful combination.



  22. Blueneck
    1:22 pm June 13, 2013 Permalink

    How can you say PPat and not Hayes? I see he didn’t even list assists or steals for Pat. As much as BTI likes to use stats you would think he would realize it is easier to put to up stats on crappy teams of which Pat played on two. The only good team he played on at UK he was relegated to third best player. Most would agree he was never the best player or key player on any of his three UK teams.
    Meanwhile, when Donovan was asked the difference between UK and Florida (pre back to back) he stated “the difference is they have Chuck Hayes and we don’t.”



  23. spookykim
    1:23 pm June 13, 2013 Permalink

    I think both Patrick & Jodie should hang in the rafters, but not for awhile. Patrick is my all time favorite player, but there are plenty more that should hang first. Take down Farmer’s if we need room.



  24. BleedBlue32
    1:37 pm June 13, 2013 Permalink

    What about Melvin Turpin in the rafters, guys? I understand that he is dead but honestly, I feel as if he should be ahead of Patterson.



  25. jpizzle
    2:27 pm June 13, 2013 Permalink

    Neither should be in the rafters. That should be an elite honor. Neither were elite,no matter how much I liked them as players.



  26. Trublue
    5:36 pm June 13, 2013 Permalink

    PP is my all time favorite UK player. His work ethic was second to none in the history of the program. He played hard every game, even for the psychopath BCG, and graduated within 3 years.