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Kelly Oubre’s father implies Calipari will “kick you out if you are not ready” for NBA


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By now, you know that Kelly Oubre chose Kansas over Kentucky yesterday. The 2014 small forward visited Kansas for their “Late Night in the Phog” festivities over the weekend and said that sealed the deal for him, telling the Lawrence Journal-World’s Gary Bedore that “nobody is bigger than the program” at Kansas:

“I was up there a couple days. I could see the brotherhood they have. I see how in coach (Bill) Self’s program, they are all for it. They treat everybody like there’s nothing bigger than the team, even the guys who are one-and-done. Nobody is bigger than the program,” Oubre Jr. said.

The subtle reference to Cal’s “players-first” mentality at UK was more evident in his father’s remarks about picking the Jayhawks over the Cats. Oubre Sr. says that there’s a chance his son may stay in school for more than one year, which he cites as a reason they’re going to Lawrence:

“That’s one of the reasons behind choosing Kansas. Coach Self doesn’t kick you out if you are not ready. I don’t care too much for it (one-and-done) because if you look at it over the last couple drafts, the success of the guys one-and-done is few and far between. Every once in a while you find guys who can make it through. I’m more concerned about his education after maybe a two-year stint or three-year stint. How close is he to that degree and having a greater business mind going into the next level, whatever that is?” added Oubre Sr. “I think the first year in college as well as the pros, maybe two, is a learning curve. That learning curve can be cut considerably if he stayed and developed in college.”

Umm…Doron Lamb? Terrence Jones? Alex Poythress? Willie Cauley-Stein? Each of those guys decided to come back for a sophomore year, and Cal welcomed them back with open arms. In fact, Cal has said that there have been players he thought weren’t ready for the league (Marquis Teague), but let it be their decision what to do with their futures, not his.

Sounds like Oubre Sr. has been reading too much Pat Forde and Pete Thamel.

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120 responses to “Kelly Oubre’s father implies Calipari will “kick you out if you are not ready” for NBA”

  1. What the ???

    It is obvious Mr. Oubre was sold a line of BS from Mr. Self. Looking at next years class, we could have used another hold-over. If the kids aren’t ready, they aren’t ready. If they are, they are. I don’t see Cal running anyone off.

  2. M

    So his dad would be cool with Wiggins and Selden don’t become one-and-done players so his son can come off the bench?? Sometimes people don’t think before they talk. Kansas has had quite a bit of one-and-done players. In fact, a lot of schools have.

  3. cincicat

    I’m sure his dad is just echoing what was said to him by Self. Just put UK in a bad light, makes KU look better.

  4. tom

    No need to take offense at EVERYONE who doesn’t choose UK. All families have their own reasons. I’m sure there is a tremendous amount of disinformation and scare tactics out there regarding Cal and the Cats. I like how you phrased the article Mrs. T by not disparaging the young man.

  5. The Rock

    Let’s look at Self’s recent one and dones and how they’ve done in the pros. Xavier Henry. Josh Selby. Top 5 players coming out of high school, one year in Lawrence, and thus far they’re NBA busts. And the whole Cal kicking players out is garbage. I gotta imagine that notion has to do a lot with Ryan Harrow. If only the Oubre’s had waiting and read the NBC article about him today.

  6. cracka

    sounds like a little bit of negative recruiting if you ask me … i don’t understand the dad not wanting to go with his son on official visits to his top 2 schools before making a decision … to take the time to get all the facts, etc.

    it’s not like kelly said he narrowed his list down to 5 schools for official visits and wanted to take unofficial visits to the 3 schools near him … he had 2 … TWO … you should take the time to check out TWO friggin schools

    even if you didn’t want to to come to uk, you coulda had a front row seat at an awesome event and met a bunch of future nba players … an event 3000 people camped out for

    i like his game and hope he does well, but would have loved to had him visit bbm

  7. Champ

    Yawn. Agree w #4. Making something out of absolutely nothing.

  8. Tim Kathlina

    Cal says Kentucky is not for everyone and this is an example. Their perception of making people leave early is mostly wrong; they are correct in feeling pressure to play like a veteran right away.

    We need Kentucky players, tough minded, ready to step in front of 25,000 people on day one like a veteran. Kelly clearly is not that player, his dad knows him better then anyone else, he made the correct choice going to Kansas. Wish him the best.

  9. PhilUK18

    If Oubre and his family are stupid enough to believe the garbage Self seems to have spewed to him about Calipari, then they’re stupid enough that I don’t want him playing for UK anyway. Best of luck to him, bc Self has no idea how to prepare one and done players for the league (i.e. Selby and Xavier Henry as mentioned earlier in this thread)

  10. SoCal Will

    KO’s self doubt has knocked himself out of seeing Big Blue Madness and making a more informed decision. Hopefully he has inside knowledge that Johnson and Booker/Blackmon will be our new Wings and this will be smoke in the wind.

  11. Costa Rica

    Ironically, Willie Cauley-Stein is from the great state of Kansas and after only one season at UK, he could have gone pro but chose to return to UK. Doubly ironically, Kansas never offered him a scholarship.

    As for MisterExpertSuperDad, it’s not smart or mature to take cheap shots at a school your son almost chose. How’s it feel to be used as Bill Self’s mouthpiece, chump?

    Xavier Henry, Josh Selby, Kelly Oubre…

  12. Mojo Car

    You can bet that this is Bill Self’s recruiting pitch against UK of late. It is obviously a misinformed statement!! A misleading argument from a coach with MISLEADING HAIR !!

  13. Ville Cat

    Wish the kid well, and I’m done with him. My question is this: If Blackmon Jr. Commits on 10/22, does that have an impact on Booker’s decision on 10/31. Any thoughts BBN?

  14. Bluegrass

    Oubre should have chosen to find a higher quality tattoo artist

  15. Logic

    Uh, has everyone forgotten the Coach Self was the Mentor of one Bill Gillispie……

    Enought said..

  16. sdfg

    Bill Self is a very Poor Fax’ of Coach Cal’

    He can have this cump kid. He’ll be there 3 years and jump but end up over seas… This kid is an after thought behind Johnson and some of the other kids next year.

  17. Brian

    His Dad is half right. Cal wont run you off if you aren’t ready. We have seen him welcome players back. What he won’t do is stop going for the best players. So, if you aren’t going to the league you may have the #1 player at your position coming in. If you don’t care to fight for your spot come on. If you want your position and playing time locked up by not being “recruited over” go somewhere else. Sounds like no one is bigger than the program at UK more than anywhere. Cal is smart enough to know the players ARE the program though. Good luck Kelly O. You got what you want. We’ll see how it works out. Hopefully good. We’ll be ok…because no one is truly bigger than the program. You included.

  18. Rand

    Good comments above. I wanted to emphasize that the recruiting process is a valuable and necessary as it weeds out people that wouldn’t be happy here because they’re not a good fit. Do we want players here who would be feeling dubious about their decision to come here, who might be miserable being a big fish, who hated the spotlight, and having to live up to gargantuan expectations, and having the pressure of being thrust into a professional working environment just out of high school?

    This what Cal tells players, in essence this: “You want to make some money in the pro’s? Come here and LIVE IT. You don’t have to decide to go pro after one year, but if you have desires to play pro ball, then my program will prepare you the fastest. However, if you don’t want to grow up so fast, and you want to have a more relaxing college life of fun and leisure, than my program might not be the best for you. And it’s OKAY if you don’t want to come here. It’s a GOOD choice to not go pro so early, but to get an education and enjoy a precious time in your life.” Kelly simply decided the hardcore, intense approach wasn’t for him.

  19. Blue Truth

    I guess that’s why Cal forced out Doron Lamb, Terrance Jones and Darius Miller.

    Oh wait….

  20. Rich

    Well, if this kid is as smart and uninformed as his father, he probably wouldn’t be a good fit. Good luck to him though.

  21. niaps

    Self will not win an NCAA title and those who go there will tire of his negative recruiting.

  22. jpg

    I don’t mind any of this. The truth is, if he wanted to comeback for a 2nd or 3rd year, he could. UK has had a host of players comeback for a 2nd year, let alone players like Darrius Miller, who stay all 4 years. John Hood is still here, and Derrick Willis/Hawkins are projected as 4 year guys. This is just another example of the falsehoods that exist about Cal.

    It is what it is. Good luck to the young man.

  23. niaps

    Like Shabazzz and Selby and Henry looks like a dead end for Oubre too.

  24. TrueBlue63

    “Success of the guys one-and-done is few and far between.”

    John Wall – #1 pick and just signed max deal
    Demarcus Cousins – 5th pick and just signed max deal
    Eric Bledsoe – 18th pick and close to signing long term deal
    Daniel Orton – 29th pick (after riding bench most of the year)
    Enes Kanter – 3rd pick
    Brandon Knight – 8th pick and NBA superstar
    Anthony Davis – #1 draft and building a franchise around him
    Micahel Kidd-Gilchrist – 2nd pick and building a franchise around him
    Marquis Teague – 29th pick and backing up the best point guard in the league

    What do all these players have in common?
    1) millionaires – which means they have done really well
    2) all were one and done under Calipari at UK
    (throw in Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans for extra credit)

  25. James K

    Oh, no doubt about it, they were sold that line by Self and his staff. That wreaks of sales pitch.

  26. Shaffer

    I find it funny that the dad could make a subtle jab at UK/Calipari based on what he saw at KU for a weekend and without having the same opportunity to see how our program is run. 2012’s squad takes offense to the “KU is a brotherhood, UK isn’t” BS. I’m sure Self was telling the family that he was fine with players staying more than a year. He knows he will underdevelp them, hold them back, and they will be there longer than they should be.

  27. YSR2KSR

    just noticed his tattoo. r minors allowed to have tattoes now? or did his wise old dad sign for him to get inked while underage?

  28. Jordan

    Guarantee you that Oubre is one and done…he’s a talented player and will likely go top 10 in the draft.

  29. MoveOn

    How dare his father have an opinion of his own? He never even mentioned kentucky in that report, but then again MrsTT wouldnt recognize journalistic integrity if it sat and wiggled on her face. Always thought BBN was better than this.

  30. Tyler Ullis?

    One more thing. Tyler Ullis (Cal’s new PG) is not a 1-and-done. He is a long term player.

  31. ukfan

    Guys, all we need to do is just get a solid recruiting class for next season and make the NCAA tournament. After this season comes and goes and after we dominate the entire country then the bad taste of last season won’t be there anymore and the highschool kids of the future, 2015 and beyond, will be lining up to come play for UK! We need this season to start already and we will be right bad to turning down top 20 kids because there won’t be enough room! We need lyles blackmon booker and Johnson to save us for next season.. And hopefully turner!

  32. Shaffer

    @ 29…how about you move on…like to the website of whatever team you are a fan of and get off BBN’s nuts

  33. tom

    Niaps – Bill Self has already won a Nat’l championship. He beat Cal in 2008.

  34. ATM

    In the KSR post “Ryan Harrow opens up about decision to transfer” the NBC report reads, “…Coach Cal has run players off before…” No one disagreed, MrsTT, I hope your sandwich making skills are better than your writing skills.

  35. Tyler Ullis?

    29, if you can not see that his father is referring to Cal, then you are blind. His opinion is most likely more Self’s than his own. UK would not have been in his son’s top-2 if he really felt this way all along.

  36. UKBlue

    They did us a favor; they are defiantly both stupid, easy to manipulate, are apparently extremely gullible, and we just avoided a problem.

  37. DP

    29 agree. I know its tough to be able to post something every hour, but a meaningless post nonetheless.

  38. ukfan

    I don’t think that he is referring to Cal sending players to the league after one season as the problem.. I think he is saying he is forcing guys like Liggins, Terrence, Orton, Teague and Archie to go who end up going to d league when they could’ve benefited from an extra year of school. Though as many of you have stated, he isn’t making these kids go, they choose to go. What an ignorant comment.

  39. Chicken

    Calipari may not run players off, but a high number of fans will crucify kids when they struggle in their first two seasons….. just look at Harrow and Wiltjer. We lost two kids who could have been great players by their junior/senior years due in part to crazy fans living their lives vicariously through 18/19 yr olds.

  40. jpg

    34, who is no one? That is journalistic ridiculousness. Did the author ask anyone? Did they provide quotes from anyone of significance? They just made an assumption, and then put an outlandish amount of certainty behind it without any facts.

  41. Winston

    Anyone with hair that stupid hasn’t benefited from good parenting anyway. Moving on.

  42. caliparty

    To this guys point though, since Cal got here there are a few guys who could have benefited from an extra year but left early. Idk why these guys left (every player is different) but they all could have learned a lot with one more year and potentially improved their draft stock.
    Marquis Teague( If he showed more scoring ability didn’t really do this til Iowa St/ got a better 3 pt shot)
    Doron Lamb (got a better motor/more active defensively)
    Patrick Patterson(learned to be more affective on the perimeter/ball handling skills)
    Daniel Orton(got better at anything having to do with offense.I.e. post moves, jump shot, free throws)
    Archie Goodwin( refined his jump shot/3 pt shooting)
    Eric Bledsoe (jump shot/ 3 pt shooting/ Got to lead his own team and not have to share a backcourt with John Wall.)
    It could even be argued that Nerlens would have benefitted from another year of refining his offensive game. could have propelled himself to number one pick. Any of those guys could have improved their draft stock and gotten more money after another year

    The only guys who were flat out ready for the league in one year IMO were Wall, Cousins, Knight, MKG, Davis.

  43. MustangCat

    Kudos to #17! Hit that nail on the head. This dad didn’t like the simple fact that 1) his son was NOT UK’s first choice at his position. We are still in the process of recruiting over him. And 2) dad knows his son not prime material to be a one and done kid. Which means he would be going through the same problem next year at UK. Cal would be recruiting over his son, and he knows it. His biggest problem is that for some reason he believes Self will never do that very thing to his son at KU?!?! If this kid isn’t ready for prime time, and heads back to school next year?! Does he really think that Self is gonna turn down an Andrew Wiggins???? Sorry dad. Bill saw that “sucker” written all over you! Hook, line, and sinker. Can’t blame a man for TRYING to do what he thinks is best for his son. KU is not a bad choice. And, if your son has a temperament akin to Ryan Harrow, he doesn’t need to be here.

  44. Bill Self

    “We didn’t lose the National Championship to Kentucky. We just ran out of time.”

    ^enough said..

  45. Shaffer

    @38…pretty sure those guys are making very good money even if playing in the D-League. They come back to get “better” (which they also do in the NBA & D-League w/o having class) & get injured then they don’t even have some of the opportunities to make that kind of money. Just saying.

  46. Mojo Cat

    *29 get lost. Completely relevant article. His father was obviously regurgitating the line of crap that Bill Self had sold them on in regards to Coach Cal!! Stevie Wonder can see that.

  47. jpg

    38, Archie left because of the weak draft class, and the prospect of the Harrison twins coming in. Teague left while Cal wanted him to stay. Liggins left because he had a new born to take care of. Terrence left after getting stronger and better, and winning a national title. Orton was dumb to leave, and I guarantee Cal wanted him to stay considering the only Center UK had that coming year was 4th string, Harrelson.

    Where is the ‘forcing players out’ here. Cal brings in competition. If a player is more about a program, than they should be fine with this. It is not about 1 player, right?

  48. JayCatz44

    33, Self has yet to beat Calipari at UK. Kansas has done nothing since Cal has taken over here. I don’t see that changing.

  49. M

    Ville Cat-I don’t think Blackmon’s decision will have any impact on Booker. Blackmon will get minutes at the 1 and 2, and Booker at the 2 and 3. There will be plenty of minutes there.
    I’m hoping we end up with Towns, Lyles, Lee (returns), Booker, Johnson, Blackmon, and Ulis. That’s a solid 7 with Hawkins and Willis getting some minutes. In my opinion, everyone else will declare, but it would definitely be good to have a couple guys come back. Exum could be an X-Factor too.

  50. Bill Self

    Mr. Oubre, I promise that if your son comes to play basketball at Kansas we will not lose the national championship. We won’t win the championship either. We will just run out of time…. Also, we will not develop him into the best player he can possibly be. That much I promise you.

  51. HugoCabrera

    Why do people think the learning curve would be hedged by staying in college? If you’re preparing to be a professional it makes sense that you would want to train as a professional, compete against professionals, and get accustomed to the life of a professional. If you’re likely a 1st rounder (like Oubre), why would you be more concerned about what you can “learn” in college as compared to what you can learn from CURRENT NBA PLAYERS/COACHES.

  52. HugoCabrera

    If your career will be as a basketball player, any intelligent business coach would advise you to advance your career as quickly as possible. That’s not happening on the campus in Lawrence, KS. It’s happening on an NBA roster, with NBA money to invest in these great ideas produced by your “business mind”.

  53. brain

    I din’t think Cal has run anybody off. Our transfers have left because they wanted to.

  54. Han

    Negative recruiting, ladies and gentlemen. Those who can’t reel in the top talent or who lose out to Cal will try to paint him as mercenary and forcing players out.

    By comparison, if you’re a top talent, Self will just let your talent erode.

  55. tom

    JayCatz – I was referring to a previous post who said that Self had never won a Nat’l Championship. But I do think your statement that KU has not done anything lately is a bit unfair. While I am certainly no Kansas apologist, I do readily applaud a solid program and coach. 9 straight conference championships (no matter what conference you are in, 9 straight is a feat) 6 out of 7 of the last seasons they have won more than 30 games and have done it the last 5 seasons. I National Championship, 1 Nat’l Runner up, 2 Finals Fours and 4 Elite 8’s in the last nine years. That’s not too shabby.

    I think Self (along with Coach K) are the 2nd best recruiters in the country behind Cal.

  56. Blueswade

    Bogus negative recruiting rearing its ugly head.
    Idiots ought to know you shouldn’t believe everything you hear positive or negative.

  57. Undertaker's Dong

    His daddy was just afraid of gettin’ a big dose of me.

  58. KG

    #44 if you are really Self then you are dumber than your wig. In Oubre’s case-Coach Rupp summed it all up years ago same quote can be applied to his father as well!

  59. bbr

    kind of makes you wonder what self said to wiggins

  60. Jen

    Everyone who’s pointed out that this guy has fell for Self’s negative recruiting is exactly right. It’s pitiful really. Neither Oubre nor his father could take their concerns to Cal and discuss them like grown-ups? Plainly they couldn’t. Oh, well. Patrick Patterson, Darius Miller, Liggins, Lamb, Jones, Poythress, WCS. I suppose they’re all one-and-dones? Nope. I suppose all of the players that came back to play last month consider themselves bigger than UK’s program? That’s laughable.

    Mr. Oubre, you just swallowed a giant load of b.s. I hope it at least tastes good.

  61. Undertaker's Dong

    Kelly Jr. doesn’t want a big handful of me either. I’m pretty tough to swallow.

  62. Undertaker's Dong

    *mouth full*

  63. Jughead

    …yeah, just like he kicked Poythress and WCS out. What a damn nimrod.

    I hope he has a big Charlie Sheen FAIL.

  64. kadizkat

    Guys, guys, guys, World Wide Wes just didn’t pay enough.

  65. Monte

    In other words…if a recruit is better than a bench player don’t play him because the bench player has been on the team longer. relax and take your time being the best that you can be..”Kentucky is not for everyone”…..imagine if this is how the NBA does it….In reality Cal is a coach who works with his team during and after their playing days. Pick your college based on fact not based on assumptions. Good luck but frankly you dad is making an excuse of why Kansas was picked…..players with this attitude are not part of our Familia.

  66. M

    Bahahhahahah,

    Did you guys hear that? “World Wide Wes just didn’t pay enough”

    I literally spit up coffee all over my screen while simultaneously wetting myself. That is the most original hilarious thing I have heard in years. Kadizkat, you should really look into standup for a living. Maybe give America’s Got Talent a shot. So get off your dad’s lap, pull your pants up, and go make your dreams come true.

  67. Jughead

    Daddy’s mad because his baby girl lost 75% of his Twitter followers.

  68. dave

    Who cares? I’ll worry about 2014-2015 when the time comes. Lets enjoy this year first.

  69. Al/in/Indy

    Recruiting is a business, like going car shopping, everywhere you go the salesmen will rag about any and all other dealerships of comparable size. Obure Sr. just was tired of going to this place and that place and believed the wrong (at least that’s what we think) salesman. We’ll see what transpires in the future with the kid, meanwhile he’ll still be sitting in Lawrence Kansas watching the Championship games on Monday while we as UK fans will be rooting for our CATS!

  70. Taco

    Bill Self is the John Boehner of basketball. Misinformation mongering.

  71. jus sayin

    He did take Dajaun Wagner’s scholarship and he clearly wasn’t ready.

  72. Judy

    Thank God for small favors. We don’t really need people like that in our program do we? Good luck to the kid in Lawrence- I don’t even remember his name.

  73. Cats, Cats, Cats

    I agree that it smacks of negative recruiting by Self.
    Even so, a recruit – and especially his parents – should be wise enough to do research and fact-finding of their own.
    Just an ignorant statement.

  74. Musehobo

    I really don’t mind when a player picks another school and he or his family member talk about why they made their pick. And I really wouldn’t have minded if he would have mentioned something that made sense. But “kicking players out who aren’t one-and-done” is the most retarded thing I have ever heard about UK. What on God’s green earth is he referring to? Orton? Cal wanted him to stay. Harrow? He was not a one-and-done on anybody’s book, and was a transfer anyway.

    Tell us he wants to play with more upperclassmen. Tell us Self’s personality fit him better. Hell, tell us he fell in love with Lawrence, Kansas. But don’t tell us he picked KU cause we kick out one-and-done players who stay more than a year. I don’t care is Self fed him that line, to repeat that is completely absurd.

  75. Jim 1

    Something smells about this decision. If Kelly’s father came to this conclusion on his own, then why was Kelly going to visit bbm after his visit to Kansas? Smells like a strong odor of Self. Someone put this in his father’s head.

  76. huntin chickens

    i just hope we see kansas in the 2014 tourney.

  77. Jordan

    Didn’t Cal say himself that MKG wanted to come back, but bc he was going to be a top 5 pick he better go? I heard the same with Boogi too that he wanted to come back but I don’t believe that at all. MKG was better off leaving but did Cal really push him to go even tho Mike wanted to stay?

  78. Jughead

    @77: So—let me get this straight—you are saying Cal should have advised confirmed lottery picks to return and risk a Nerlens Noel type injury?

  79. Raazoul

    Thank goodness we don’t have to deal with another player with a pretentious father who thinks their son is better than they really are. A pre-emptive “They don’t kick you out if you aren’t 1&done” means “I think my son is Lebron James but I’m afraid the coaches won’t think so”. Good luck to the kid. Have fun with the most overrated coach in America next to Tom Crean.

  80. ReadCarefully

    Jordan: his dad complained that he kicks players out before they are ready. MKG and Boogie were ready, they just liked college life and talked about wanting to stay. That doesn’t mean they weren’t ready, esp in regards to playing ability.

  81. DavidBiloxi

    I think he meant more along the lines of “kick out” as in recruit on top of you. Cal is not going to wait and let you develope while he continues to lose games. And he shouldn’t.

  82. Chicago Chris

    Concerned about his education in a 2 year stint? “Some college” is all you can check on an employment application.

  83. RICK

    It was a dumb statement by his dad, something he heard Self say but should not have repeated it. Wish this kid good luck and hope like heck we get Blackmon.

  84. Joe

    Or…. OR…. maybe this is just the father’s opinion and Self isn’t telling these things to recruits? Oh wait, that would make entirely too much sense. It is insane to turn a little comment like this and turn it into Self being a bad guy and jumping to conclusions about recruiting practices. And the way people react to losing out on recruits is so stupid. If he picked Kentucky then we’d all say he made an awesome choice. But as soon as a recruit picks anywhere else- all of a sudden the kid is stupid and they jut simply weren’t “man enough” to play at Kentucky and they’ll never make it in the NBA. Newsflash- Kentucky isn’t the only great school. It’s embarrassing for everyone to hate on a 17 year old kid as soon as they don’t pick UK. This is a total non story that all of the sore losers are getting all upset trying to connect dots back to Self being a bad guy. Stop already

  85. RICK

    #77, Are you serious?

  86. Jim 1

    I would have loved to see MKG & Boogi return for another year, but that is my big ego not listing to reason. How can we as UK fans expect a kid to turn down a NBA contract worth millions to please our desires. We all know someone who is a UK fan that wants a rule that would force a kid to stay all four years, when none of us would turn down that kind of money.

    So start thinking about the players first and you will understand why Cal calls it a players first program. Cal really does love his kids and will always put them first over himself (not Self) and also UK. Leave now or stay, Cal will put his kids first.

  87. Paul

    Is Mrs Tyler Thompson not familiar with journalistic integrity? This entire article is based on pure speculation. Also, there certainly seems to be a misunderstanding that playing basketball at UK puts a player under a larger microscope than in Lawrence. Both programs are as big as it gets, with the one exception that UK’s program was built because of a Kansas alum.

  88. jus saying @ Rick and Jughead

    Look the question was rather or not there was precedent for Cal kicking out players who were not ready for the NBA, and there is at least one instance where Cal made a player go (revoked scholarship) to the NBA who wasn’t ready. Regardless of what the reason was… it happened once that is objectively true.

  89. Blue Jesus

    Given that father and son both said similar things it would seem that’s part of Self’s pitch when recruiting against Calipari. And unfortunately it has apparently worked on some kids.

  90. MustangCat

    Guys, I’m tellin ya, i bet ya anything that Cal would not accept this kids commit! He probably told dad that once Johnson decides something, then we’ll talk. Until Johnson makes his call, he has first dibs. Dad got offended that Cal wouldn’t promise him a spot for his boy. Or that Cal told him that he was gonna still keep recruiting Johnson. It’s pretty clear that dad got his feathers ruffled at UK. I think it was probably more that then anything Self tried to sell him. Dad thought he had some leverage with Cal, and found out he was still option #2, or 3?! He was emphasizing an offense with UK much more then he was any spellbound dream effect of KU. Bet ya anything.

  91. Ha

    Looks like a lot of jealous uk fans…can’t win them all uk. So sit down shut the f*ck up and enjoy your kitty cats. You guys are a bunch of high school kids. Both cal and self are excellent recruiters with excellent history of basketball. One thing sets self apart at Kansas he reloads he’s doesn’t go to the NIT tournament and lose the first round the following year after winning a national title. RCJH!!!

  92. M

    I think Kansas would have been real vulnerable if they didn’t land Wiggins. Hopefully he doesn’t tear his ACL. I personally don’t care about not getting Oubre. Cal came on late, but wasn’t recruiting him as long. If we land Booker and Blackmon, along with Johnson, and Lyles I think we’ll be ok. Thank you for bringing up the National Title that our Kentucky Wildcats won beating your Jayhawks. Brings back good memories. Self has a good track record. He’s a good coach and a good recruiter. The difference I would say is the transition between college to the NBA for his players. Again, maybe Wiggins can change that, but when you look at Kansas players in the NBA under Self at Kansas, it’s surprisingly bad. I would think it would be better but it’s below average for that big of a program and that good of a recruiter.

  93. SP420

    Wow, talk about paranoid! Neither the player nor his father mentioned anything at all about Calipari or the UK program. I suppose if you try hard enough, you can interpret his father’s comment about not running anyone off as a subtle jab at Cal (and even then it’s a stretch), and the player was only talking about the things he loved at KU.

    I’d say you need to settle wayyyyy down about his, but now that I see this is on a sports talk radio forum, I don’t think the paranoia or hyperbole will slow down one bit.

  94. jpg

    77, summed it up for me.

    91. How many coaches lose +90% of their scoring after a national title, and then have a bunch of injuries the following year? UK would have gone to the Tourney if Noel had not gotten hurt. No other program has the turnover the UK has, and Cal has an Elite-8, Final-4, and National Title in 4 years.

    How many time has Pitino taken UL to the NIT? Once, nooooo, TWICE. Wow!

    Question: Since Cal has to recruit/play mostly new teams every year, then why is UL 1-4 against Cal? They have a Hall of Fame coach that has a veteran team. I do not get how they have not dominated such a bad coach with a bunch of freshmen!

  95. Stark

    I think Mr Oubre did his homework. Coach Self took Cal to school when he beat him, or should I say Cal lost the championship back in 08 and then deserted the sinking ship at Memphis. I’m pretty sure he was also watching the events unfold last year at Kentucky when another “Number 1” Kentucky recruiting class went belly up and couldn’t even win the first round of the NIT. It’s the one and dones that do Kentucky in each and every year short of the one lucky shot they got to win the championship. Probably won’t happen again under Calipari’s term.

    Mr Oubre is a pretty smart guy!

  96. jpg

    93, It was down to UK and Kansas for his services, and his father made a statement about the 1-and-done system. Connect some dots, bud. Most are not pissed at losing Oubre, as much as they are about his fathers statement. His fathers statement shows how mislead he is about the UK program, when you look at the reality of players who have returned.

    Quit trolling.

  97. jpg

    95, you are delusional (usual UL fan). UK has been to an Elite-8, Final-4 and NC under Cal. He went to the NIT due to youth and a significant amount of injuries. What other UK recruiting class went “belly-up”, under Cal? Cards fans just hate the fact that they have been proven wrong. Nothing everyone has said about Cal since he has been at UK has occurred, and he has done very well with this 1-and-done system.

    I guess I understand why TWO 5 star guards left UL. Pitino has multiple NIT’s and gets rarely anyone to the league.

  98. Carlos Danger

    Kelly Who?

  99. Megan

    51 – You know who disagrees with you, Hugo? Kareem Abul-Jabbar. Check it out – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxAyY2gDWpk – at the 13:16 mark. “A lot of players now don’t know X’s and O’s because they didn’t go to college. The college game really helped educate a lot of players as to, you know, what they call basketball IQ. And if you don’t go through a good college system, it takes you a while to learn the game.”

    I believe that’s exactly what Kelly’s father is saying. And he has some pretty authoritative support for his position.

  100. SP420

    96 – “connect some dots” – that’s exactly what I expect the tinfoil hat crowd to say. Thanks for proving my point.

  101. Jim 1

    # 84 Joe. If that was in Kelly’s father’s mind, why would they schedule a visit to bbm in the first place? And it seems strange this statement was made right after his visit to Kansas. And why not honor your schedule visit to UK and at least give Cal the chance to answered for himself.

    If Kelly wants to go to Kansas that’s fine with me but they didn’t have to use untrue trash talk to Cal and his players. Something stinks.

  102. MustangCat

    “The Sporting News” ran an article in defense of C-Cal, because of this kids dads comments……I love how troll UL fans want to pop off and tell everyone to get a life or something, while they are trolling on our sites!?!? What kind of life do YOU got there buddy?!!! I have yet to feel the urge to validate self by cruising on over to any USmell sites, and venting sewage. Wonder why that sewage is in there in the first place, if you guys have that perfect team? I guess we could get a life – LIKE YOURS???? that’s a laugh. Your identity will always be lived out of shadow we cast, and you know it. And I don’t have to spew profanity to put you in your place. Betcha we are looking far more forward to “the game” this year then you guys are……….We had a blimp on the radar last year. How long did it take FLASH to buy that title last year? 10 years??? Cal won his at UK in 3. And flash had to have help to win his last year. Cal has done the job here without the NCAA covering for him. He has had to win while under constant attack, from the likes of those far dirtier then he will ever be. Enjoy your pitiful existence there shadow, and as always, don’t move till we do…….

  103. boohoopatheticcrybabies

    Every real fan of college basketball laughs at you fools. Would you guys be ragging on a kids dad if he signed with you. Would you be making fun of his tats if he signed with you. I hope other future recruits read wildcat posts from their real stellar fanbase. Bunch of sore loosers. Pathetic turds. Go Robert Morris.

  104. Irony

    boohoop: If he chose UK and made a backhanded comment about KU, I would still say this was a dumb comment. Also, you don’t know who is a troll on these message boards. I think these players should know that and have a little intelligence. You on the other hand…

  105. Charlie

    @95 Calipari was not deserting a sinking ship at Memphis. Let us remember he had Cousins and Wall coming, for example.

    It was brought up that Oubre would risk being a backup if he stayed for a second year at UK but that’s the case on any team. The best player will generally start or get more playing time.

    In my opinion, a student should go to the best school for their respected major. While basketball is not a major, it is the future career for a lot of them so it is in their best interest to go to the school that will get them a job and the best one. I don’t think it’s up for debate whether UK is the Harvard of basketball schools or not. To me, with the coaches, facilities, history, recent job success and environment to simulate the real world (as a professional), etc. it baffles me why players would choose another place when they have an offer from UK. I felt that Andrew Wiggins didn’t want to jump on the bandwagon and contrary to what the media said I also felt that he did want the spotlight which he will get more of at Kansas, considering that UK has a lot of other superstar talent. He would be sharing the spotlight with at least four others. Remember many think Randle is better than Wiggins. Time will tell. This situation with wiggins reminds me of Shabazz Mohammed…remembering How much of a bust he was. “Superstar”

  106. urbane

    The real problem with Cal is that everywhere he has gone nothing but vacated games and controversy have followed him, I’m sure there are many one and dones and nba bound players that don’t want their college efforts wasted. Why take a chance that Cal will bolt yet again before it all crashes down at UK….

  107. Chicken

    urbane: Yeah…recruits are terrified of violations and Cal bolting; that would explain why he just signed the best class of all time.

  108. Irony

    Wow, if someone blamed Self for the McLemore situation had that have escalated more, then that means Self is guilty right?

  109. Louisville Guy

    Dear UK fans!! The whole world is laughing at you!

  110. BravoBigBlue

    The father is right in that most college basketball freshmen need another year or two of seasoning and maturing before going to the NBA. A long and lucrative career in the NBA is more likely for those that don’t come out after one season. But I don’t think Cal forces anybody to move on.

  111. pr

    #42- was you high when you wrote all that. Because all those guys n bledsoe was ready for the league when they went. Don’t comment for the rest of the day. Please! N they’re all on a team now.

  112. Mr. Self Destruct

    Oubre senior, at least know what you are talking about before opening your d*** s*****. Cal ran off a cancer in Harrow. And Dodson had drug problems. Those are the only guys that Cal asked leave. This oubre family is obviously weak-minded and belong at Kansas with the other weak minds.

  113. Gotta LoveKU

    What a bunch of whinners

  114. Tbens3

    Perhaps we will see Mr. Oubre in a tourney match-up in a few years. Perhaps we can further dicuss which program is better while the CATS are cuttimg down the nets.

  115. BluKudzu

    Sorry he chose Kansas. He would have been a special player here. I just think his proud father was supporting his child’s decision, and unfortunately said what we believe to be the wrong thing. Wish them both well, until they play the ‘cats.
    Go cats!

  116. JayHawk

    Self and Cal have a very good personal relationship. Many KU fans, myself included, think the world of Cal. Cal was one of the loyal ones to Jayhawk Coach Ted Owens when he got fired and then with Larry Brown. As for the KU-UK relationship, I attended the last game Rupp played in Allen Field Housem. It was a great night that he was a tribute to Rupp’s career. Kansas, Kentucky and N. Carolina are the centers of the basketball universe. Duke is the evil one.

  117. WildcatFaithful

    Oubre Sr believe’s Self and KU’s misinformation and propaganda?!! Really? What would you think if you were Kentucky and Cal? sayin’

  118. REALITYCHECK

    And another thing, who cares what a player does in the NBA. It’s about what they do when they play for your team…not what they do for the Bobcats or Rockets or any other random team. Maybe you should worry about making the tournament , and less about what your one and dones are doing in the league

  119. twocoach

    You guys are funny. Do you honestly believe that it was SELF that put these thoughts in Oubre and his father’s heads? Whether it is 100% accurate or not, this is the general national opinion held by most non-UK fans of what is going on with Cal at UK. Perception is everything and when you have a coach stand up and say that having 5 NBA Draft first rounders is more important than a nat’l title then you have do deal with the negative backlash.

    They liked the vibe at Kansas. They liked the approach by the coaches. They liked the attitudes of the players. They chose what they liked. End of story.

  120. Denver

    As a K U fan I respect the blue blood basketball programs at Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina, Duke and UCLA. Oubre was not afraid of being forced out of the program, he was afraid he was not skilled enough to compete with Cal’s present and future recruits for playing time. Coach Self is a pretty stand up guy and I do not think he is responsible for the comments of Oubre’s father. I wish UK and KU had home and home games every year. They are great programs with lots of common history.