Kentucky Sports Radio
[Moderated by Matt Jones]
[Moderated by Matt Jones]
As we continue to celebrate what is arguably the most heralded UK Freshman class in history, the news today tell us about a story of one of the best Freshman that UK had ever had in its past. For those of you too young to remember, Sam Bowie was a stud in college and, may have had the best Freshman season of any UK player in history. While only remembered nationally for being picked ahead of Jordan, Bowie was a great player at Kentucky and was unstoppable early in his career, before injuries took hold. As far as true big men, he is likely one of the three best in the program’s history and he was (along with Kenny Walker) the centerpiece of UK basketball in the 1980s.
Today’s Lexington newspaper now tells of another story of Sam Bowie. Bowie has decided to apply for membership at Idle Hour Country Club in Lexington, the last bastion of segregated culture in the city. Idle Hour has long been synonymous for a great course, old Lexington and the undercurrent of segregation, as it is the last country club in Lexington to not have any Black members. For over a decade, the club has experienced criticism for its membership makeup and has always answered by claiming that no black members have applied. Sam Bowie is now changing that and we will see what the decision from Idle Hour will end up being.
My guess is that Bowie will be let in, because he is Sam Bowie. And many would correctly wonder if the decision would be the same if he had not played basketball at UK. That is a fair point and a fair question. But Idle Hour would not be alone in making distinctions based upon (a) celebrity and (b) class, both of which are unfortunately prevalent in our culture. However it is now virtually alone in having a distinction based upon race. Bowie is trying to change that, and here is hoping he has success.
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November 20th, 2009 at 11:04 am
He must have invested wisely
November 20th, 2009 at 11:18 am
If was there ever a lock for an application to be accepted, this is it.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:19 am
2 follow-up questions.
What next, Gimel Martinez will break the Hispanic berrier at Idle Hour?
Will Antoine Walker have to work the club house in order to get back on his feet?
November 20th, 2009 at 11:20 am
When Sam came to UK we almost had the twin Towers of Ralph Sampson AND Sam Bowie, along with the likes of Melvin Turpin and Sky Walker. (just think of what that line up would have looked like to the rest of the Basketball world)
Sam has always been one of my favorites because even though he was riddled with the injury of his leg for two years. He always had a smile on his face and I don’t think I ever heard a bad comment roll from his mouth other than he was wishing he could get out on the court
If Idle hour doesn’t accept his membership it will be their loss. And anyone who has EVER bled BLUE should Boycott them and pull their memberships and let them go to being a GOAT RANCH!
November 20th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Oh yeah, check out those speedos Sam is sportin.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Honestly, if someone would have told me that there would be a Black man in the White House before being approved for membership at Idle Hour Country Club, could it be believed. At this point who cares? Some institutions will not change. Doesn’t say anything bad about it’s members. They call it ‘heritage’.
At least the tradition of Kentucky Basketball can unite the Commonwealth and Big Blue Nation as a whole, even if my grandparents could only listen and take Caywood’s radio broadcasted words for it from outside of Memorial Coliseum. Let’s all turn the page.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:30 am
I can’t imagine someone that tall playing golf. He must have special made clubs or it must look like he is playing with toothpicks.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:34 am
6. you are simply wrong. It does say something bad about its members. racism is still a big issue in ky, especially among the rich. it does say something about you, no matter how “nice or “good” you are to be a member of a club like this.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:39 am
It’s probably PR. They probably want to change their image and actually asked him to apply.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Point taken 8. Bless you bruh. I need more lead for my sarcasm. For pigment related reasons I will never be a member either. On an unrelated subject, Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas is the most underrated movie of the 90’s. Cult classic.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Matt, the whole premise of your post is so slanderous, wrong, and flat-out ignorant! You imply that this club must be a bunch of racists because there are no black members, even though as you pointed out, none have applied!! So let me get this right, every private club in the country should go out and actively RECRUIT an asian, hispanic, or black person or else they will be slandered as racists promoting a segregated culture?? So we need quotas implemented for all private clubs as well?? My parents belong to a private club in Louisville and like Idle Hour, it just so happens there aren’t any black members because none have applied. I can assure you that they aren’t racists nor are the members of the club because I know them personally. None would be opposed to any black person being a member, but according to your logic they are part of a segregated culture and if any black member like Sam Bowie dared to apply you’d have to cross your fingers hoping that these ‘racists’ would accept him. I love your UK posts but please put an end to your PC social advocacy, racist accusations, and please stop slandering people who have never turned down black people as members. It does nobody any good, by trying to cement in some people’s minds that they are surrounded by racists when it simply (at least in this case) is not true.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Could Bowie’s leg injuries been prevented by today’s technology? Goodness, look at those shoes. They simply weren’t sufficient to support a guy that size doing the things he could do athletically. He was special. And, someone needs to photoshop some longer shorts for him. That look is just indecent.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Forget about first at such things. It’s shameful and silly that we haven’t already lost count of this type of stuff.
Sam: It’s only somewhat exclusive and not so prestigious, but you’re already in my club. Best of luck!
November 20th, 2009 at 11:43 am
(6) “Doesn’t say anything bad about it’s members. They call it ‘heritage’.”
Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
November 20th, 2009 at 11:43 am
#11 - eat shit pal. If you don’t like what Matt writes then don’t read it. Aside from that, I get sick of the “none have ever applied” crap. That would mean that they profile the applicants for them to know, right? Or do all applications have a race category to fill out?
November 20th, 2009 at 11:47 am
I said they claim no black members have applied…I have no way of knowing if that is correct or not.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:47 am
#10 Agrred about F&L in LV. When Hunter saw himself playing cards at that casino I almost fell on the floor. Depp and Del Toro were superb in that movie.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:48 am
The fact that none have applied (if that’s true) speaks for itself
November 20th, 2009 at 11:50 am
If an application is shredded, did that application ever exist?? Maybe that’s how they hold true to the “none have ever applied” statement.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:51 am
11 - How did you get all of that out of this post? I read it again and I don’t see where he implied anyone as a racist. He simply stated that the Club has been criticized. I don’t see where he personally criticized them. Then, he pointed out that, according to the club, no African American has ever applied. He gave both sides of the issue. What else do you want? I don’t see anything political about this story. We all know Matt’s politics, but it does not exist in this post.
November 20th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Someone give #11 his meds and get him ready for Beck show
November 20th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
No black members have applied. Matt, as an attorney, you should respect that it is somebody’s job to disprove the claim that nobody has applied, not assume that somebody has applied and been denied.
The human rights commission tried like HELL to find somebody who had applied but was turned down and couldn’t find anybody.
The way you wrote this is very disappointing. I am a member of a country club who has approached several people of color to join, but they simply say no, or assume that they will be treated differently. 40, maybe even 30 years ago you could say something like this, but Idle Hour is not a racist institution. To use passive aggressiveness in your post is juvenile.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Mattz7777=closet Imperial wizard
November 20th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Maybe I was a little hard on Matt in my post and for that I apologize. I just think people should be given the benefit of the doubt on issues like this where discrimination is concerned. If they say they no black people have applied I’d believe them unless proven otherwise. That’s all I wanted to convey in my last post but I went overboard.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
23 You made me laugh out loud. That was a good one.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
how interesting. We have an Idle Hour in Macon, which is set up the same way. THE SAME WAY. Wow.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
#26 Seriously Macon. Wow. Are they saying that NO blacks are applying in both locations?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
The past behavior of Idle Hour is sickening. But in my opinion, they have been fine for 20+ years… I am simply disapointed that an attorney, with matt’s training, would set out to accuse an institution of something that they have been investigated and cleared of. To me, that goes against everything that our constitution provides for. You are innocent until proven guilty. Idle Hour was investigated, but it turns out they were cleared of this. Now matt comes back and brings back the claims that were disproven years ago and borders on “race baiting”.
This is the best UK site on the internet. But to accuse them of being a racist institution TODAY is wrong…
November 20th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
26 /27 Sounds like a conspiracy. News at 7 on Faux News
November 20th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
#15, why are you stating the process of admission there when you don’t know anything about it? Country club admission is much different than getting into college or applying for a job. It’s sickening that you would just presume racial profiling on someone’s part without any grounds to back that up, especially after a special commission worked for years and found no such evidence.
The ethical way to treat matters like these is to:
1) Presume someone (or some institution) isn’t racist
2) If you think they might be, investigate them and see if evidence specifically points to racism
3) Make a conclusion on that evidence only if you have a lot of very clear evidence in that direction
Guessing at evidence, then making a conclusion you from that guessed evidence, is insulting.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
#30 - Spot on.
But to be clear, Many Country Clubs from all over the country have set out racist rules and practices. The majority, including Idle Hour, cleared most of this up 30+ years ago. But some folks like to bring up the past to benefit in the present. This is a common practice of many folks who benefit from a perceived racist society… It’s sad to say, but folks on the right and left, black and white, benefit from the notion that we still have a racist society, when in reality, it is a VERY small % on both sides that is actually still racist.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
#30&31- Exactly right, that is the problem I have with Matt’s post.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Poor Idle hour, Matt you should be ashamed, lol. When reading the post I was a little surprised that the tubbster hadn’t become a member…
November 20th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
I like Sam personally, but it is comical to think that he wants to become a member at Idle Hour, when he spends all of his time at Red Mile betting on the standardbreds with all the degenerate gamblers.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
32 - Nice. You spill a bunch or dribble, then you apolgize, then when you find a couple of friends who can’t read either, you go back. With your flip flopping, you should run for office. Can anyone show me where Matt personally implied or accused anyone of being racist? He simply pointed out that the club “has been” criticized. I don’t see where he did it himself. Anyone?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
#35 - Read below…
“in Lexington, the last bastion of segregated culture in the city. Idle Hour has long been synonymous for a great course, old Lexington and the undercurrent of segregation, as it is the last country club in Lexington to not have any Black members.”
November 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Speaking of Kentucky Basketball tradition and the breaking of barriers, this is kind of unrelated but anyway. What are Ritchie Farmer’s chances of winning the Gov. Race if he indeed runs?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Hard to believe it’s taken this long
signed,
The United Negro College Fund
The Congressional Black Caucus
Miss Black America
etc
November 20th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Idle Hour a nice golf course? Matt do you play golf? Bowie is already a member at LCC (1st black member) & Greenbriar. Both are far nicer golf courses then the goat farm that is Idle Hour.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
#35- You must not know how to read ‘between the lines’. If you don’t think that his post paints the club in a bad light then you are letting your biases do your reading for you. Here’s a quote from his post “And many would correctly wonder if the decision would be the same if he had not played basketball at UK. That is a fair point and a fair question.” He’s basically implying here that if it weren’t for Sam Bowie’s celebrity status he would most likely denied because he’s black. So being just black and he’s denied but black & being a celebrity most likely he will be accepted. You don’t see any racist overtures here? Give me a break!
November 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Don’t know anything about this country club, but they seem to really be stepping out on a limb saying “no black people have applied.” All it would take to disprove that would be a black person hearing that statement, then coming out and saying “not true, I applied and was denied membership.”
I know there is a rough history with country clubs and racism, and don’t know much about the history of this one, but it seems it is entirely possible that they are truthful in that statement.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
I’ll borrow a quote from Groucho Marx…… I wouldn’t join a club that would let me in as a member
November 20th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
36 - From what I have heard, it has been criticized for all of those. Race is not political. It didn’t take Jones to point that out to me. I remember this issue when I attended UK in the late 80s and early 90s. I just don’t see the politics involved. His point is justified which is evidenced by the passionate replies to his post.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
This ain’t exactly Rosa Parks stuff we’re talkin’ about here folks. Not even sure why this is considered newsworthy?
November 20th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I love Sam..and Matt is a liberal Democrat who has the best coverage of UK sports and admire his work… he approaches this article from a liberal point of veiw…no problem…there are many African Americans in Lexington who want to pay top dollar to swim, play tennis and golf. I have to beleive Idle Hour would love to have a black member pay the current initiation fee and keep their dues current….what they don’t want to do is give a brother a free membership and cover his dues just so they can make some political correct white boys shut up.
When you guys show me the black guy that got turned away because of race then I will side with the Libs…won’t happen though.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Your kidding me… a commission looked into whether a Lex. country club was racist and their conclusion was that it was not? You think they were stupid enough to have written policies preventing black members? Of course not. People join clubs because they are friends w/ members or because they were encouraged to join. If any of Idle Hours members had close friends or professional associates who were black, there would have been black members long before now. The fact that they didn’t speaks VOLUMES about the members at that club, and its high time someone called them out for it.
Good job Matt. The last thing people who support racist institutions want is someone shining the light on them.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
45- Dead on right about Matt approaching this from a liberal point of view. Assuming others are racist with no facts to back him up.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
#43 - Did you see what I copied and pasted from matt’s article. I noticed you didn’t respond…
November 20th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
48 - Uh, my response to that was post #43. ?
November 20th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Jones doesn’t need me to defend him here. He is more articulate than me and certainly doesn’t need my input. I am simply saying that he stated the obvious. This country club has been criticized for many years for its lack of ethnic diversity. This is not a revelation delivered by Jones. It has been out there, right or wrong (and I personally don’t know which) for many years. He was stating the obvious. If some want to act like it is not true, more power to you.
47 - Any credibility in this issue you had was lost with your apology, then backtrack.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Lets look at this from another angle… could it be possible that the blacks have not applied for membership at Idle Hour because they are in fact racist, and don’t want to associate with rich white people?
November 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
#50- THe charge is not that they “aren’t diverse” The charge is that they are racist. There is a difference in being a racist institution and not being “diverse”. Of course they aren’t “diverse enough”. But they have been investigated on charges of racism and the human rights commission FOUND NOTHING.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
BREAKING NEWS—Tonight @6pm glen beck explores the vast liberal blog conspiracy that seems to pervade every corner of KY society. glen, in his typical flamboyant, over-the-top, and meladramatic fashion exposes the liberals for what they really are-Haters of America and the American way of life. Special guest panel-Hootie Johnson, Mark Fuhrman, and David Duke give their unbiased viewpoint on just how far this conspiracy reaches. Also, special “stock footage” will be shown of the new tea party rally that has yet to happen. Be sure not to miss it.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
He is white enough to get in in my book.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Im suprised not many people have commented on how hilarious Bowie looks in that picture.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
35- did you even read my post? Show me exactly what I wrote that suggests I “can’t read.” I actually didn’t have a problem with the way Matt wrote the article. There’s some real irony in your accusation to me, as it really suggests that you are the one who cannot read. I’m not matt777’s friend, I never claimed to be, and just because he agreed with me on one issue hardly means you can assume I agree with everything he said. You’re being insulting disingenuous to me.
46- You suggest the commission made its determination solely on whether there were rules prohibiting black’s from membership. Like you said, of course they wouldn’t find anything there in the written rules. You’re implying that that was the extent of the investigation. The article makes it clear that this is not the case.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Matt i hope you didnt make the WRONG people upset with that post. Im suprised he got into the Greenbriar. LCC i understand. Still laughing 15.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
I think we have one indian in our club does that count.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
55.. He’s all arms and legs.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Y’all are going nuts on very specious grounds. Look. let’s make it simple.
Accusation: In some manner, Idle Hour prevents membership by blacks.
Basic syllogism:
1) To get into Idle Hour, you must apply
2) No blacks have applied
3) Therefore, no blacks are in Idle Hour
Even a commission tasked with uncovering dirt on this found nothing.
Y’all are making a very clear, simple issue into a convoluted one.
If we take #46’s arguments and attempt to accuse members of racism, this has no bearing on whether Idle Hour’s admissions are racist. Even if it did, you’re assuming that those black friends desired admission and applied for it. Which, of course, further presupposes that these guys have black friends, of which there is no evidence (and the majority of Americans’ social groups do not contain blacks). And even if they did all have black friends, it could just be the case that those friends are not interested in membership. Of course, we have to accept 4 arguments obviously shown to be false just to get to this point.
Conclusion: NEVER accuse someone of racism unless you have DAMN good evidence of that. Nebulous criticisms tying together a bunch of shitty arguments does only one thing: makes you an asshole for accusing people racist, when there is no evidence of it.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
9. I think Gimel Martinez is Cuban, not Puerto Rican. That should improve his chances of admittance. They’re typically Republicans. It’s a fact, LOL
November 20th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
11. Most folk belong to organizations that are homogenous(no homo). If none apply does not excuse not having any. Here’s a shocker. I’m Black(not African-American). I belong to a historically Black Fraternity that has White members. Hell we even have a 100% Russian. They applied because they were welcomed, even if it was not easy. People know where they are not wanted. Why apply? That gives you no street cred. It is easy not to be racist when you don’t have to deal with any other race within your institution. Race talk is procovative. I love my home state of Kentucky. I just wish it was not living down to stereotypes that folks outside of the Commonwealth so readily lable upon you, and your progressive parrents. Words like “quotas” and “conservative” are buzz words for the anti-progressive backlash. Al it boils down to is that ceratin folks are scared that there heritage will be forever lost because brown people, yellow people, or homo people encroach upon all they’ve ever known. I ain’t Liberal, and I damn sure ain’t asking certain folks for a seat at their table for scraps or hand-outs. Amen.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Wanna talk race issues? How bout the KKK holding a rally at the ole miss/lsu game I’ll be at tomorrow. Seriously WTF hope I don’t get caught in the crossfire.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
60. When 100% of members are white - what other evidence do you need? Are you telling me that not one single member in the history of that club ever had a black friend or professional associate they felt worthy of an invitation? Of course they did. They just knew they shouldn’t rock the boat because the club leadership “liked things the way they were”. And if there was not a single member that had a black friend or business/professional associate they felt comfortable sponsoring - what does that say about the membership?
November 20th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
62. is your 100% Russian Yakov Smirnoff. You know he definitely has street cred.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
#63 You are right. I don’t know why this suprised me. The deep south is stuck in the early 1900’s.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/20/ku-klux-klan-to-hold-rall_n_3 65332.html
November 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
#12 & #55-Obviously, you did not watch any games when Bowie and Turpin, etc. played–that was the “standard” uniform of the day. BTW-imo, it is better than the “slouching, sloppy, big legged uniforms of today. Just saying.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
65. It is prolly his nephew?
November 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
What I like is how everything is automatically Black v. White. What other ‘minorities’ have applied. Let me be clear, I don’t give a damn about a Country Club. I am fighting racism masquerading as conservatism.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
60. Hootie Johnson called, he wants his argument back.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
mattz7777-
Go ask mommy and daddy if you can put your candy purchase on their tab at your country club. Maybe LC and Justin Bobby will let you put it on theirs.
November 20th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
I was a swim coach at Lexington Country Club (where Bowie is a member and Tubby was). I knew Sam a bit while at LCC, and he was a very humble and nice guy from what I could tell. Here is how exclusive country clubs like LCC and IHCC work: you can’t walk off the street and “apply” for membership; you have to be asked to apply by multiple current members in good stand. There is a probationary period and then a vote on your candidacy. Thus, it may be technically true that no black member has applied to IHCC, but that would be because no current member of IHCC has agreed to sponsor a black member.
Either Sam has a IHCC sponsor, in which case this will get very interesting, or if he does not have a sponsor, he is just filling out an application for the PR it will generate, and it will get shot down because no IHCC members back it.
Another detail: IHCC and LCC are very competitive with one another for membership and as the most posh CCs in town. Sam could get turned down just because he is a member of LCC, or he could get accepted to lure him away from LCC.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
That it i am starting an all black Country club! Even coach cal had to have a sponsor to join LCC.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Would they turn down Obama?
November 20th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
One other thing ive noticed Jones gets most of his hits on these type of posts.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
I’m a member of a country club:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr_Q96gNZc0&feature=player_embedded
November 20th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
74. There you go. Obama! That’s all you got Rush. That didn’t take long. We’d turn down Carence Thomas and the brother that f’d your mom but she couldn’t bring home from college.
November 20th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Its Clarence Thomas right? Just checking. Second im a Democrat. You sure your in college. That shit makes no sence. I’d lay off the 100% Russian. No child left behind what the f$%K happened to your ass?
November 20th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Angry? I’ll see you Clarence(minus my “l”). I’ll raise you “sense”, not “sence” and “you’re” not “your”. I went to Transy in the early 90’s. technically you are right about the college crack. Point taken. This is a blog not a literary society. As our Liberal Sec. of State wrote, “It does takes a village.” Go figure (insert village here) idiot.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Cool
November 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
There have been many god points on both sides, but no one has spoken to my arguments succinctly. More than racism(oooooh scary word), this issue is about eliteism. Many of the same folks that atre arguing for the IHCC wouldn’t get in themseves because they themselves aren’t ‘blue bloods’. Do you think that those rich folks read KSR, LHL, TCP, the Voice, etc? Perhaps the Lane Report, but that’s about it on matters surrounding local matters. 42. typed it best. The actual quote from Groucho Marx is “I would not join a club that would not have me as a member”. That’s it in a nutshell for my Black ass. 72. Thanks for the insight as well. This matter is effectively closed. Good post Matt.
November 20th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
god points? LOL@me typing in the dark….
November 20th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Reading these posts it is no wonder the rest of the country perceives the UK fan base as a bunch of racist hillbillies. Of course they could ALL be wrong.
November 21st, 2009 at 3:02 am
71- Just for the record, unlike a lot of people in this country I don’t ask for handouts from anyone, not mommy & daddy or from the government. I actually work hard each day and am able to support myself & 3yr old daughter. Thanks for stereotyping me though as a spoiled little rich kid just because my parents belong to a private club in Louisville. I’m definitely not embarrassed they are members b/c my dad started from nothing, worked hard his whole life and eventually became successful enough to where he could join a private golf club. I learned the importance of hard work from him and have too much pride to ever mooch off of others. So thanks for the advice, but I won’t be asking anyone if I can put my ‘candy’ on anyone’s tab.
62- I agree with many points you bring up in your post. You said that ‘even though no black members applied, it doesn’t excuse not having any’- so are you saying that simply not having any means they are racist or discriminatory? Is Reverend Jackson’s RAINBOW/PUSH Coalition racist with no white members or the Congressional Black Caucus or the BET Channel? It certainly doesn’t excuse them having any people of other races, does it? In my opinion the people in those groups aren’t racists, but with your earlier logic they must be, right? I agree with this post of yours “I just wish it was not living down to stereotypes that folks outside of the Commonwealth so readily lable upon you, and your progressive parrents.” I couldn’t agree with you more on this. That’s why I hesitate to start attacking people’s motives/actions as racist unless there are facts to back it up. I think this term is thrown around way too loosely and doesn’t help unify, only further divide us. Thanks for your civil post though #62.
#50- Here was My apology to Matt “MAYBE I was a LITTLE hard on Matt in my post and for that I apologize……I went overboard”. 1st of all, I definitely wasn’t apologizing for the points I made to him and I mainly felt bad about calling him ignorant because I think he’s a smart guy, GREAT UK SPORTS BLOGGER, LAWYER, & FOUNDER OF THIS GREAT UK SITE. I didn’t want him thinking my critique of his post was how I thought of him overall and that was the reason fro my apology.
Also #50, you lost all credibility when you had ZERO response to my post on #40. It would should a lot of class if you’d just acknowledge that your post#35 was answered and you were showed up on your challenge/question. Please tell me what u think my post on #40. You saying that I lost all credibility with my apology/backtrack seemed to me to be you being unable to refute my post so you didn’t answer it…which is basically the actions of children who can’t debate intellectually and who aren’t man enough to admit when they are wrong. If not, then I wait your response to my #40 post.