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Jer-ry! Jer-ry! Jer– oh, wrong Jerry.
On Saturday, Dustin commented on the unique tone of Jerry Tipton’s Big Blue Madness piece. Jerry points out in his story that the University of Kentucky may have to report a secondary violation. From Jerry’s H-L/KentuckySports.com published piece:
He talked about a program “rooted in integrity” and always “run with class.”
One hopes the possible secondary NCAA rules violations committed by the crowd when it chanted prospects’ names were a misstep to be written off to runaway zeal. That happened four times, each an apparent violation of NCAA rule 13.11.4 which forbids the chanting of prospects’ names at an event open to the public.
And he mentioned it again on his blog, as a “Low” point of Big Blue Madness:
– Fans chanting the names of prospects, including Michael Gilchrist more than once, C.J. Leslie more than once and Tobias Harris. According to NCAA rule 13.11.4, such chanting is a no-no.
Jerry cites NCAA ByLaw 13.11.4, which does not exist. Everybody makes mistakes: Hell, I said Rich Brooks played at Oregon in the night post. In my Real past, I’ve been part of a newspaper environment. I know how difficult it is for copy editors and editors to catch every single factual mistake. Jerry citing the incorrect ByLaw is not a big deal.
I contacted UK Athletics for a clarification. They pointed me to NCAA ByLaw 13.10.5, which states:
13.10.5 Prospective student-Athlete’s visit. A member institution shall not publicize (or arrange for publicity of) a prospective student-athlete’s visit to the institution’s campus. Further, a prospective student-athlete may not participate in team activities that would make the public or media aware of the prospective student-athlete’s visit to the institution (e.g., running out of the tunnel with team, celebratory walks to or around the stadium/arena, on-field pregame celebrations). Violations of this bylaw do not affect a prospective student-athlete’s eligibility and are considered institutional violations per Constitution 2.8.1. (Revised: 1/14/97, 9/12/03)
This is probably the ByLaw that the UK Compliance office had in mind when they released a statement before Big Blue Madness (as republished by the Cat Scratches blog):
Just a reminder …The NCAA prohibits an institution from publicizing any prospect’s visit to campus. This includes publicizing the names of specific prospects and chanting the prospect’s name. One institution recently had to report a secondary violation because their fans held up signs with a prospect’s name. Another institution has been contacted by the NCAA to investigate whether or not the school was involved with the chanting of another prospect’s name.
(Note: Emphasis and hyperlink of the above blockquoted text is from the original CS blog.)
Remember ByLaw says 13.10.5, “A member institution shall not publicize…”. Within all the recruit publicity NCAA ByLaws of Article 13.10, I see plenty of rules that address member institutions, media groups, prospective student-athletes… but none to attendees of events open to the public. I couldn’t find an official definition of the term “member institution” within the full D-I NCAA Manual (link to PDF download). So I’m unsure if people who bought a ticket and attended Big Blue Madness, but do not work for or are affiliated with UKAA, are considered part of the “member institution” under NCAA ByLaws.
Regardless, there seems to be a fine line here. Notice that UK Compliance referenced an explicit case where Duke students displayed signs welcoming Kyrie Irving on his official visit in Durham. There was also some discussions on a KU Message Board where attendees of KU’s Madness event debated if making “fatheads” of the recruits — huge signs that feature just a recruits’ face — were violating NCAA ByLaws.
To sum up, Jerry may be right about UK needing to report a secondary violation for the chanting during Big Blue Madness. However, if that is the case, the NCAA Secondary Violation inbox should be quite full by Tuesday, since UK is clearly not just the only member institution with overzealous fans.
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October 18th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Come on down Kyrie!
October 18th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
yet another case of the NCAA trying to make things as complicated and all-inclusive as possible.
i vote for the “Bob Knight and just one secretary” model.
October 18th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
http://www.jerrytiptonhasavelvet…..
ah, nevermind.
October 18th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
(3) nice
October 18th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
#2 — Only if Bob Knight provides enforcement of the ByLaws by throwing chairs at Athletic Directors.
October 18th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
#2 while you are correct in your assessment of the NCAA let’s not over look that a writer for the home town paper SHOULDN’T be the one calling us out!! Give me a freaking break. I watched it on TV and I don’t recall hearing any recruits name…but coudl have missed it to due to the enthusiasm in our house while watching the show.
Jerry this secondary violation is beyond picky in this situation. If UK themselves had done something that would be different but to point this out making sure UK has to report this is silly. It isn’t like the fans just cost us a scholly. I suspect the NCAA will say, thanks for the call Sandy hope everyone had a good time Friday night.
Jerry – retire please!!!!!
October 18th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
(6) the HL has always targeted UK, even before Tipton. Billy Reed is a prime example. Remember, it was the HL that won a Pultizer for breaking and investigating the late-80s debauchery of the Sutton program
October 18th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Jerry Tipton sucks.
October 18th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
The NCAA needs to change some of it’s outdated rules. In the information world today, it’s damn near impossible to hide a recruit’s visit to campus, and you will never stop fans from chanting/making signs, etc. There is no way a “member institution” can control what a fan does. It’s ridiculous to penalize them for these things. It would be completely different if UK had “tweeted” out, “Hey everyone, Kyrie Irving is coming to campus. Come on down and make him feel welcome.” The NCAA needs to get over it’s power trip, and get rid of some of these rules.
October 18th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
suck it Tipton!
October 18th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
TIPTON SUCKS………..
October 18th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
In a related story, Tipton informed a group of kindergartners that there is no such thing as Santa Claus.
October 18th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Tipton is a tool!!
Why he is considered a long time great columnist is beyond me.
Tipton is a tool!!
October 18th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Next Midnight Madness – I suggest fans chant “Tipton Sucks, Tipton Sucks..etc” Keep chanting until it is contagious in Rupp. He will be there covering the event and I am sure he will not write about that negative experience.
October 18th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
14) We should do it at the Blue White Game.
October 18th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
I’m hoping KSR starts a campaign against Tipton.
October 18th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Jerry Tipton, obviously, has a cranial rectally inserted hard-on for the basketball program, is still pissed off over the Tubby thing, and is on a mission to denigrate Calipari at every opportunity. Throughout the entire season…watch…he’s going to be spreading his venom at every opportunity and Cal’s his target!
October 18th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
I read it as the University is not to lead or promote the chanting of prospective atheltes names. Seems to me if the crows does this without any provocation then it is not against any rules.