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A lot of things confuse me about the University of Louisville fan base, but I’m not sure there is anything that confuses me more than the overconfident arrogance shared by fans and players alike this summer concerning their Sept. 2nd football opener against Kentucky. UK fans are understandably uneasy about this coming football season following two straight losing seasons under Joker Phillips, but what exactly has Louisville done in two years under Strong to suggest that Kentucky will get blown out at Papa John’s Cardinal Stadium to open up the season?
Louisville is coming off of two 7-6 seasons (in the Big East, mind you) which were celebrated by jubilant Cardinal fans, one for beating Southern Mississippi in the Beef O’Brady’s Bowl, and the other for beating Kentucky, while also losing to Florida International and Marshall, and losing in the Belk Bowl. Although we may not have the highest expectations for football in Lexington, I can’t imagine any possible scenario where we would actually be happy about losing to a Sun Belt school and a MAC school in the same season, just because we beat Louisville and made it to a bowl game.
Last year, beating Kentucky gave Charlie Strong a free pass with Louisville fans after a loss to Marshall the following week. If Joker beats Louisville this year, and then loses to Kent State and Western Kentucky the next two weeks (a la Louisville losing to FIU and Marshall), Joker and the UK football team would not be celebrated in Lexington as Strong’s Cardinals were a year ago in Louisville. If that scenario happened, I’m not even sure Joker would finish the season, and they certainly wouldn’t be able to win enough games to be bowl eligible in the SEC as Louisville was able to do last year with a Big East schedule.
The fact is that even though Strong appears to have Louisville on the right track with a young team and bright future, they haven’t done anything yet on the field to be as cocky as they’ve been acting this summer. It can even be argued that Louisville still hasn’t surpassed Kentucky for football state supremacy just yet on a permanent basis. They have a lot of young talent and recruiting seems to be going better for Louisville, but it’s the same Louisville program that only beat the Cats by 7 points a year ago, their first win over Kentucky in five years.
What if Kentucky doesn’t fumble in the red zone against the Cardinals last year in the 4th quarter, the Cats tie the game up, and eventually win? What if UK wins that game and eventually makes a bowl with a 6-6 record after ending the streak against Tennessee? Then how would Louisville fans have felt about a 6-7 season a year ago with losses to their in-state rival, FIU, and Marshall, and how would Kentucky fans feel about their program as well with wins over Louisville, Tennessee, and a bowl appearance?
Should we buy into Louisville as heavy favorites on Sept. 2nd based on one play last season, a fumble, which changed the outcome of last year’s game and ultimately the season for both programs as a whole? There will also almost certainly be a new quarterback under center for the Cats in this year’s game. I’m not trying to play the “what if” game to say that Kentucky should or could have done this or that last season. I’m simply trying to show that the two teams are still not that far apart from each other. Even in a year as miserable as last year for Kentucky, there was not a significant difference in the two programs and there’s no evidence to suggest that there will be a huge difference on the scoreboard in this year’s contest either.
Give Louisville credit for winning last year in Commonwealth and for the gains they have made as a program since Strong has took over, but they just barely hung on for their first win over Kentucky in five years. Let me repeat: they are 1-4 against UK in five years and own only a 7-point victory last season. Are they really so much superior to Kentucky and at the point where their fans and even players should be making tweets like these?
Here is just one of many ridiculous UL fan tweets, this one coming from @NBsportsguy:
@wilmhoffKSR beating UK is the same as beating Missouri State. Just another warmup team while we prepare for real teams. You all are a joke.
— That Guy (@NBsportsguy) June 15, 2012
And even the players are getting involved:
Sept. 2nd, the game shouldn’t even be close.
— devante parker (@devante_parker9) June 14, 2012
@JHNNsports Kentucky sucks, end of discussion.
— devante parker (@devante_parker9) June 15, 2012
What does it say about Charlie Strong that he is allowing this to happen? And how exactly would #L1C4 react if Kentucky happens to win on Sept. 2nd?
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June 17th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
UK is so not important to us. I wish we would dump them from our schedule and replace them with a real team. Cats fans won’t even support their own team. They just complain and cry until their coach is fired. Then repeat. Hope you enjoyed the 2011-12 basketball season Cayuts fans. Next football and basketball seasons will produce a lot of L’s against us. Last season is over.
June 17th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
1) so essentially, you’re living on hope?? solid approach to it all and basically your only decent choice
June 17th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
JusT put #L1L2 ( Louisville 1st Lost Twice ) end of discussion but L raiser beware joker got something up his sleave for you guys
#CatsAllDayEveryday
#WeAreUK
June 17th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
If I remember right it was Demarco Robinson that fumbled in the 4th, not Morgan Newton.
June 17th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Talking about the past up until B.Knights team all L fan talked about about was who cares about last championship what have ya done for me lately final four that’s right …. Now who’s talking get out the big weak ( big 12 would b great 4 y’all ) and play real teams then talk
June 17th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
You may be right 4, I made a slight edit. I was pretty intoxicated that day.
June 17th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
One of the many requirements to be a UL fan, is you must have the ability to lie to yourself & live in & have some delusional sense of reality. Being a UL, facts are always optional !!
The fact is UK & UL both suck horribly in football. The only thing UK has going for it is the fact we play in the SEC, and since we are part of the huge SEC TV contract, we get paid even if we suck.
UL on the other hand might be better than UK in football, but they play in the ridiculous Big East that is literally falling apart in front of everyone’s eyes. The Big East has virtually no TV contract since it is so small. UL could win every game by 100 points, and the BCS is never going to send them to a championship game. UL fans are too stupid to realize, they are screwing themselves over by buying football season tickets to watch their team play what is essentially Division 2 football teams. UL fans are also too stupid to understand: UL is so great in everything, no Big Conference wanted/wants them. Have fun playing in the pathetic Big East.
June 17th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
2 – it isn’t only hope, but also talent and experience. Yew Kay Cayuts had a good run in 11-12 (basketball only), but we have everything working for us next year and you just don’t. Me and my boys are wagering which game at our place will be the biggest rout: football or basketball. I honestly don’t know, but do know that the bloodbath on Sept 2 will kickoff a great year for us. UK fans who hate can suck it – nh of course.
June 17th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
You guys are past due that’s for sure. Good luck
June 17th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Number 1: Glad you were the first to post a response. Just couldn’t wait to check KSR and post a response.
June 17th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Look at the tits on the one to the far left.
June 17th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Mommmmmmy! Bring me a pudding pack down to the basement. And bring me a blankie, I’m cold down here creeping on KSR.
June 17th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Was that tank top washed with a red shirt or was it his intention to wear pink in this picture?
June 17th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Boy, Louisville is sure under the Kitties skin here lately!!! Every other article is about the The Cardinals or their coaches. . . It’s getting to the point to REALLY considering changing the call letters of this site. . . Is UK really this ENVIOUS and THREATENED by the RISING CARDINALSTRONG PROGRAM??? WOW!. . .
June 17th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Musmouth Chawley is 14-12 in an absolute dog sh!t of a conference. Plus they beat UK by a whopping 7 pts last year. That’s why they’re so confident.
June 17th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
8- LOL
Also, good luck with that.
You might get us in football, but MARK MY WORDS, you’ll never beat us in basketball as long as Cal is our coach and Rick Pitino is yours. Keep dreaming. A rout? I literally laughed at that.
It’s gonna be so sweet watching you eat your words (hopefuly) in September and (definitely) on New Years Eve.
June 17th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
hopefully*
June 17th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
LOL…UL ranked preseason, is UK…NO….is UK ranked in top 30 recruiting…NO…are the current Vegas odds 11 points for game this year…has UK ever been to BCS bowl..NO..and BTW every BIG EAST team finished last year ranked higher than UK….enjoy your as whopping this year
June 17th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Parker is right, we suck big balls. Thanks joker.
June 17th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
18 – false, just from skimming the end of season rankings, uconn and cuse both finished below kentucky. so go f*ck yerself.
June 17th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
and this is the perfect example of why a superior school and athletic department (UK) shouldnt play UL in anything, because of their little brother status, UK can dominate for 10 years and if UL wins one game, then here comes the “see, we are better..blah blah blah”……its pretty similar to having a little brother actually, an annoying, dilusional, ignorant little brother
June 17th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Its there best attempt to get over the fact we just won #8, there a bunch of bitter little bitches…. plz pardon the language
June 17th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
We are going to get drilled against uofl. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a complete idiot.
June 17th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
22) you never beat me and that was just FIVE years ago . . And I took a knee just as you begged for…. Short memory, huh. . . PITIFUL…….
June 17th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
nice, my last post was deleted for proving 18 wrong. thanks, ksr!
June 17th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
#21, you have to be Chris from Richmond, I can read that and hear his voice in my head………..
June 17th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Even Matt Jones says UK will never excel in football. He thinks the CEILING is 7-8 wins. That means when you have Joker you post well below that. 5 wins? Maybe if you’re lucky. How many Cayuts fans here actually disagree with me? I know y’all mad and I feel you because it hasn’t been easy for us either, but we have a way out while you have a Joke. Word of advice: Get out of the SEC Cayuts, you have no business there. Football is a good sport and not worth going through beatdowns to superior schools in half your games. Yeah, the SEC is better than the Big East, but you are not the reason. Maybe if you had a shot in most games, then your fanbase could rally behind the team. If you really claim you could get 10 wins in another conference, then why not do it? Money that you’ll personally never see? I’m tired of talking sense into hillbillies.
June 17th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
*PETRINO
June 17th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
We aint losin brah. We will win at least 2 games.
June 17th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
If joker takes chances to win this game we gotta chance if he doesn’t we probably lose by 14 points. But I will say this crummy cards fans are crazy to think that the football or basketball is going to be blowouts this year. In football they are good but not good enough to compete with teams in the top ten. And basketball they should be real good but anything could happen like having 5 or more injuries through the year
June 17th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
28 and how many did you win last year playing that easy schedule 8 ,9,10 oh i guess you forgot you only won 7 you all lost to marshell, fiu those are some big time teams lmao
June 17th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
L1C4 you are crazy. Lowsyville is just as shitty as Kentucky is. Put you all in our conference or Big 12 and it’s just the same as us posting 5-7 wins a year (which that is exactly what you all have done the past 5 years in the Big East) with a couple good seasons here and there. You need to get out of that dream world and realize no matter what you all do there the football program is still just going to be average.
June 17th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
28 cause when the big east goes bye bye we will be in a conference while your trying to get in one
June 17th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
32 – thankfully we played you
U mad bro?
June 17th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
25. drunk idiot UL fans like you make my point, go ahead and pass out now….what has UL ever done in anything that warrants such an attitude of greatness? You have a 5 year run in the early 80′s in basketball and you have what 1 BCS game ever in football. UL has done nothing, ever, in anything…you cant even get invited to a good conference because your academics are so poor no conference wants you….its just pitiful…..such a little mans complex
June 17th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
We may not be the best or even good in some years, but we have a shot and are optimistic. If the Big East folds, then we’ll figure something out. Too much interest and money out there for a program like us to be left out.
June 17th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
UK
Missouri St
North Carolina
@Florida International
@Southern Miss.
@Pittsburgh
South Florida
Cincinnati
Temple
@Syracuse
Connecticut
@Rutgers
This is the schedule for UL’s football team! That Guy- “Just another warmup team while we prepare for real teams. You all are a joke.”
What real teams is UL playing? As I look at their schedule, they are playing almost as weak of a non-conference schedule as UK, and then go into their extremely weak BIG EAST schedule, in which they replaced a departing West Virginia (their toughest opponent) with, Temple?
June 17th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
37. you do realize that no real conference wants your poor academics right? you also have zero TV market, you pull from a 25 mile radius around the campus. Oh you may land some where, but dont you think theres a reason why you have always been in a second rate conference. UL has tried and tried to move up, and what happens when you think you have? The good schools in the conference that you move to bail out and you are left with the original Conference USA teams….guess who everyone is running from? No one wants to associate their University in the same academic (low)class as UL.
June 17th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
37. Let see you only have a shot because of the conference your in. Plus I was optimistic about last year cause Joker and the staff tried to act like Newton had figured things and was going to be solid at the QB spot but he wasn’t. So optimism only takes you so far but we will see that’s for sure.
June 17th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
lets blow up his twitter when we win
June 17th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
I have seen two cases where Louisville says they will destroy Kentucky and both times had different results:
1. 2006: UofL fans told UK that they were going to get beat bad and it happened. UK fans had no real reason to believe they would keep it close and they didn’t. Also, if Bush hadn’t got hurt, it would have been worse.
2. 1997 Tim Couch vs. Louisville: I remember us Louisville fans talking a lot of crap about beating UK. UK fans kept warning us about this new QB named Tim Couch and how good he was. Tim freaking embarassed us that year in commonwealth stadium. I hated eating crow from my UK friends (we were in the stadium to see the game). However, Tim Couch lit it up that year and it was a sight to behold even for a rival fan.
I think this year will not be a blow out. UofL is not coming into the season ranked like in 06′, but UK doesn’t have any reason to think they will win this year. UofL is a 12 point favorite and Tim Couch ain’t walking through those doors…
June 17th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Three points: UK fans don’t give Louisville credit over anything!!! Second point, at the end of this fiasco story, is the only true point, being there is very little differences in the programs, Loserville didn’t do anything great last year in the game against UK. Point three, there are a lot of people that truly have high expectations about football in Lexington. Why don’t you, explain it? They piss on the UK symbol in their urinals. That enough is even more reason to never write anything good about them. The difference that I see is that their blog sites write stories supporting their team and telling how they are going to kick our behinds. Their blogs are positive. Ours write about how this season is going to stink. Pathetic!
June 18th, 2012 at 12:12 am
UL fans live in the past (2006), and act like the Kragthorpian Era never happened (UK fans recognize the Billy Gill Era). The truth is, that it is actually hard to get to a BCS Bowl when you have to play real teams (the SEC), and do not get to play a bunch of patsies from the Big East! 8 teams from the SEC could play UL’s schedule and win the Big East! Heck, UL won a part of the Big East Championship this past year at 7-5, and lost their bowl.
How do you get a part of a championship at 7-5? Only in the Big East! The truth is, UL has 0 national respect, and coaches only go there because they can get a lot of wins, quite easily, since they have to play NO ONE!!
June 18th, 2012 at 12:21 am
anything out of the east end of louisville is trash and shootings. Bigtimeyurts waits tables for a living.
June 18th, 2012 at 1:44 am
It’s funny to watch card fans try to grasp at anything to wipe away the tears from the previous season of NCAA basketball. Hell I’d probably want UK to cream the cards in football too if we lost in the Final Four. Unfortunately for cards Lexington and pretty much the rest of the state loves collegiate basketball more than collegiate football and it’s pretty sad to see card fans beat their chests over their football program in the mediocrity that is the big east.
June 18th, 2012 at 6:47 am
Just think about how the Card fans are going to feel if they don’t win. Got to be in the back of their minds. ( assuming they have minds ) Some of them can blow up an onion sack.
June 18th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Has UL football ever beaten the #1 team in the nation and eventual National Champion in the BCS era?………. because Kentucky has….
June 18th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Excellent story. Right on point. Our football team didn’t do very well last year and yet between the 2 teams the Tennessee win was by far the most impressive. Uk scores 9 wins with UL’s schedule this year, easily. UL may get 9, may not. UL would be a 5-7 team in the SEC even if they beat Uk at best. Honestly though I hope Strong has a good year, so he can leave for a real job like ANY other conference in America, which he will. UL is a stepping stone, where someone can win with a awful schedule then leave for a REAL school. Louisville, voted dirtiest city in America, by The First 48 crew and staff.
June 18th, 2012 at 10:02 am
They should win, butttttttttttttt. Stupid.
June 18th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Six idiots and no championship gear? Stay strong L1C4! More importantly stay thirsty my friend.
June 18th, 2012 at 10:28 am
w/o us, ul football program is nothing. no papa johns, they would still be playing in old cardinal stadium smelling horse manure. if ul gets in the big 12, they will not want to play us.
June 18th, 2012 at 10:39 am
is that james elkin in the pink shirt?
June 18th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Louisville is more excited about the second half (more recent) of last year’s season, which included a share of the BE Title, a victory over West Virginia (who completely blew out Clemson in the Orange Bowl), and a close bowl game. Play in the second half of last year’s season was much better than the first. Beating Kentucky in the first half while still losing to Marshall and FIU just shows how bad Kentucky was (and how good T.Y. Hilton was against a great defense).
June 18th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
#51 get real…..You act like UK is the best team on our schedule when in fact they are the weakest…we would not have Papa Johns without Schnellenberger…don’t flatter yourself…UK had nothing to do with it….
June 18th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Seriously..
This is nothing more than grasping at statistics on paper. Louisville indeed lost to Marshall and FIU following the Kentucky victory (which really just shows that a disheveled team coming into their own, incapable of handling T.Y. Hilton or Marshall, was still able to romp you on your own turf), and then won 4 of 5 down the stretch, before showing its youth in the Belk Bowl. We also beat a high-octane WVU squad on their field just weeks before they absolutely rolled to a BCS bowl victory.
But let’s forget about last season and be absolutely realistic here: both on paper, and on grass, Louisville is eons more talented than Kentucky for the upcoming season. The state’s football supremacy? Yeah, Steve Kragthorpe had us looking rather rough, tis a given; but to insinuate that a team with literally no national brand is superior to a squad that’s getting attention from 5 star players and plucking Miami’s talent away is inferior to Joker’s joke.. well that’s just absurdity.
We’ve something called Teddy Heisman Bridgewater, and he’s going to show you guys how to play football on September 2nd. Be ready… to spend the rest of that day suffering a mild bout of depression. 48-10 Cards. And I’m being generous. You guys are awful.
June 18th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Sidenote: I found it ironic that to add impact to the post, you found a picture of the five goofiest Louisville fans you could.. Dare we try that exercise with Kentucky fans and see who looks more of a buffoon?
June 18th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Dear UL fans,
Your schedule is the biggest joke in the world!!! Your replaced West Virginia (who you beat last year for the 1st time in 6 tries) and added Temple (????). If UL is becoming some powerhouse, then why do they always schedule sooo weak.
Yes, you guys had a better 2nd half of a season last year, but what does that mean when you play no one? Congrats on beating WVU, who beat an ACC team in the Orange bowl. You guys are pounding your chest because Strong is getting some recruits from SEC country, while still being stuck in the putrid Big East. Why does no conference want the might UL Cardinals, who have not even dominated their weak football conference?
June 18th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Look. I’m a UK fan. But UofL actually brings back a legitimate D-1 QB in Bridgewater. We, on the other hand, have two guys who actually make me miss Mike Hartline. We have ZERO TALENT. NONE. Where on this team do you see a single player capable of making plays? If the SEC were a soccer league, we would have been relegated to another lesser conference years ago. Until the university puts the same emphasis on basketball that it does on football and hires an actual football coach, you’re going to get what you have always gotten. If we laid out the money to get a Nick Saban or Urban Meyer here, you would see this team have a winning record within a year. But at long as Barnhart can get 70,000 idiot to pay money to watch this circus at every home game, what is the incentive to change or do better? There’s none. You can keep saying oh, it’s facilites, whatever. Excuses. And the excuse is to avoid hiring a real coach to protect the profit margin. The only way you’re going to get better as Kentucky football fans is TO QUIT BUYING TICKETS TO GAMES and show Barnhart you demand better. Until then, Charlie Strong will continue to own us, and it will be an absolute joke this year. Keep saying “SEC, SEC.” We’re going to finish dead last yet again in the SEC. Just being in the SEC doesn’t mean anything. This isn’t tee-ball, we don’t get a trophy for just showing up. We wouldn’t even come CLOSE to winning the Big East. UofL and WVU would beat us like we owed them money, and we’d be in dogfights with some of the other teams. (Let me add, the only reason UK beat UT last year is because we only have the 11th worst coach in the league, and I don’t know how they haven’t burned Dooley’s house down yet in Knoxville because he sucks something awful. Good thing his daddy was famous.)
June 18th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
#57..LOL….Everyone on our schedule ended the season ranked higher than you little Kitties…Pound your chest for being in the SEC, but you can’t beat anyone in the league. How did UK do in their bowl last year? Final 2011 RPI in football UL 53 UK 81. SOS UL 53 UK 54.
June 18th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I love the dude in the pink shirt..represent Louisville
June 18th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Hey 59., what does UK’s end of the season ranking have to do with how bad your opponents are? You are using RPI to compare UK and UL! The difference is, you will not see a bunch of UK fans on here thinking their team is something amazing (reality of playing in a tough conference), while UL fans pound their chest for a 7-5 conference co-championship in a crappy conference, and are continuing to do so, even though they have one of the softest schedules I have ever seen for 2012-2013.
Reality is Mike, you guys are being skipped over by all of the big-boy conferences because you have very bad academics, and are in a small media market that UK already has.
Congratulations on not dominating a conference that you should every year! You may go to the Orange bowl every year, but what does that mean when you manipulate a weak schedule. Too bad you will never get a championship game with those schedules. L1C4.
June 18th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
There’s a lot being thrown around about our being in the Big East, and that’s fine, because it truly is a joke of a conference. However, we can only play who will schedule us, and have to play everyone in our conference. It’s agreed that our schedule is rather weak next season; and that even if we were to run through it unblemished we’d not get a nod to the national championship game. Again, that’s fair. However, Kentucky fans, I’ll ask you this.. Would you rather be absolutely awful in a great conference, or great in an absolutely awful conference?
Or, metaphorically, would you rather own a small, successful corporation in Biloxi, Mississippi; or sweep the grunge off the floors of New York’s finest McDonald’s?
Conference affiliation matters significantly more than it should in football, and that’s the only reason you clowns are capable of using it against us. On-field production.. we’re going to smash you ridiculously silly. We have a five-star quarterback at the helm, and each of you know his name. I genuinely don’t know who’s calling the signals for you characters.. and with Trevathan and Guy gone, I don’t think there’s a football analyst in the country who could name a Kentucky players without looking at a notecard..
June 18th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
And @32: who cares who we’re playing? Sure, they’re all jokes. But you’re included in that joke. At least we’ll win games this year.